My Take on the Conference
Many of the comment posters and forum posters out there have mentioned that Mel Karmazin sounded frustrated and angry at the Merrill Lynch Media conference. I have been busy at work, and had not had a chance to listen to it until now, and I must say that I was surprised by what I heard, because to me, it was nothing at all what I expected after hearing your comments. I am not saying that I thought the speech was good by any means, but I did catch a few bright spots.
Let’s take a look at some historical numbers.
In second half of 2005, Sirius XM combined for 3,007,401 net adds. In second half of 2006, they combined for 2,073,795. In second half of 2007, they combined for 1,937,247. In this conference call, Mel stated that they planned on finishing 2008 with 19.5 million subs. Taking the combined numbers from the Q2 2008 conference call (18.6 million subs), this would mean that Sirius XM plan to add only 900,000 subs for the half. The two companies surpassed this number in Q4 2007 alone while dealing with all of the merger confusion. While the numbers may drop, I seriously doubt they will be dropping 50% year over year.
Mel follows that statement with the statement “We calculate that if we just add 2 million subs in 2009, we will finish the year with 21.5 million subscribers.” I’ve already pointed out why I think their 1 million net adds in the second half is severely low-balled, so lets look at full year numbers. In 2005, Sirius XM combined for 4.8 million adds, another 4.4 million in 2006, and 3.7 million in 2008. Again, I do not expect the net subscriber adds to drop by nearly 50% year over year.
Mel also stated that the GM contract comes due in the year 2013, but stated that most OEM deals are negotiated well before that time, due to the roll-out required, and he mentioned a 3 year time frame. That would mean that if they have not already started, they will start talking to GM about their contract either late 2008 or early 2009. Assuming that GM will take a smaller cut of Rev Share to become more in-line with the rest of the OEM deals, the savings will go straight to the bottom line.
Just remember, every cloud has a silver lining. I am not attempting to pump this stock, as I see several problems that Sirius XM will have to face in the coming months, but if you look into the numbers and the history, you can definitely see the inconsistencies that will lead to upside surprises.
The biggest problem I had, however, is Mel Karmazin saying “We are being very conservative here.”
Yes, that is Mel’s M.O.: Under Promise, and Over Deliver. The problem that I have with Mel following his true form here is that a lot of the banks that are going to be looking at refinancing their 300 million dollar convert, or extending the revolving credit of XM, are looking at these numbers. If they see a company that is no longer the growth stock that it once was, they are going to turn Mel down or charge much higher rates. I don’t like it Mel. Even if you over deliver for YE 2008, it is still too late to make a good deal on financing.
Position: Long SIRI, No position GM
Newman,
He said, “very,very conservative”
Mel must have felt that he needed to walk a fine line between not looking negative, but also not wanting to continue the history of Clayton news releases to pump the stock. He actually mentoined this as some point when he said that they were not going to announce Toasters coming with Sirius installed – obviously a joke. He also squashed the hopes for Apple alliance in the near future and explained his position. The problem is that all this disappointed retail investors who were hoping for something to bite into that is really positive, especially with him going around like a rock star for a month doing the dog and pony shows and seemingly extremely optimistic. He even mentioned on Cramers show that Sirius is looking to price through the converts in Feb. Price through 4.41 converts and we’re at .98 cents today. Did he really believe that when he said it ?
Is there any chance that Mel has a deal in the works for the debt?
One thing I didn’t like was his use of a profanity. It was entirely unncessary and seemed to lack a certain professionalism in his approach. The people he was talking to are not his spa or locker room buddies. Additionally, they weren’t going to give him a pass for his earlier success, which he still needs to point out.
Also his anger was very obvious. Knowing that GS/hedgies are still running the show and no matter what he said, in the end, really didn’t matter. Maybe his experience with Twinkie has him a little on edge with all the analysts who may do the same for their respective companies.
I am sure he knows a lot more than he let on, and have no idea what his motivation to make a shitty presentation using very, very conservative estimates unless he already knew what the result would be, or has his own ideas how the ppps drop could work to his advantage.
Either way, I feel he did a disservice to stockholders, and those of us left are feeling more and more as expendable pawns in the big picture.
I can’t believe this stock. Even at these low levels it is CURSED.
I buy at $1.32….it drops to $1.00
I BUY more at $1….and not it drops to .87 FUCKING CENTS!
Unbelievable. 20 million subs. THis is nutz.
My advice to myself and to EVERYONE from this point forward…JUST WAIT. WAIT until this thing hits ROCK FUCKING BOTTOM.
And ONLY buy when GOOD news comes out after that. THe price will be so low that you’ll be able to catch the ride back up.
But this is getting REALLY UGLY folks.
This definitely hurts the old ira and brokerage account. This stock has nearly wiped me out. But even after all of this crap, I love the radio so I’m forever long. friggin – I hope your BK call doesn’t come true but I have to say the thought entered my mind a few days also. The XM debt, including their outrageous contracts with Oprah, etc. are a huge weight that I hope we can pay for. Crazy stuff.
Hey…I hope it doesn’t come true either. Oh…to long for the good old days when we were just worried about wether the merger would go thru or not! LOL.
Oh well…what can ya do but weather the storm.
$0.86 low. Brandon is looking like a genious on that $1.24 stop price now. Could it really be?
Friggin said the magic word…….”weather”
Why has no one said anything about XM weather which is now in almost every single jet coming off the assembly line with?
SiriusXM has way too much infrastructure and sub base to go BK. The debt WILL get refinanced, it’s just a question of when.
I have one more bullet in the clip to fire off and average down. I guess it’s a guessing game of when to pull to the trigger.
Getitstraight, I’d keep that gun holstered if I were you. We aren’t going to EXPLODE upwards anytime soon, so you’ll have plenty of opportunities to shoot your last shot.
But I’d take a wait and see approach. See how far down Wall Street can actually take this.
I thought it couldn’t go lower so many times and have been wrong. From here on out, I’d wait as LONG as you can. Because even if good news DOES come out, you can fire off that last bullet and catch it on the way up for sure.
But if you fire now…and it drops to 50 cents or less…you’ll shoot yourself for not waiting.
The absolut only way to end this carnage
on shareholder value is for MEL to announce
a re-financing deal NOW !!!!!!!!!!!
The hedgies are burying the company and MEL
has to fight back.
Lets not rush Mel into another UGLY refinance deal. If there is ANYTHING we’ve learned with the merger approval is that we DON’T WANT UGLY!!!!
Right now the whole Lehman and Wamu deal is dragging the market down. Wait till the dust settles and some good credit news comes out.
Mel has until February. He wants to do it soon too….but I think the best thing to do is be PATIENT.
It’s URGENT….but we DO have time. I’m giving Mel the benefit of the doubt one more time. After the way he closed the merger…I DON’T think he wants to RUSH to refinance the second chunk under worse conditions.
Better he wait alittle bit and work his deals behind the scenes.
I know it sucks….but what can ya do?
I have been in Sirius for a few years now. Rode it up to 9, and have rode it back down to $.89. I have bought more and more along the way, up until where I am (was) this am with 100k shares. I put a stop loss limit order in a few weeks ago at $.91, and what do you know, I know longer own the stock, and have lost about $200k. This is good news for longs. Everytime I sell a stock it goes up, and when I buy it it goes down. SIRI is and could be the next WAMU or LEH with mounting debt and tightening opportunities to alleviate the debt. Good luck. Great website, except you always put a positive spin on most everything. How many shares do you have?
The fact that Mel said they where going to
re-finance the FEB 09 converts with a combination of CASH on hand and a Bank loan
or note leads me to believe this is a deal which could be consumated SOONER rather than
later.
I wish Sirius would have announced what percentage of the XM bond holders redeemed.
Since those bonds are still trading they
didn’t all redeem . Therefore the $600M
raised for redemtion purposes is at least
partially on hand and added to the $450M
cash on hand as of 6/30 gives Sirius
a cash cushion.
Matt –
Every writer on this site discloses their position in each and every article. Brandon disclosed that he hit his stop at around $1.24, and then bought back in at $1. I do not need to disclose the number of stocks that I own, and nobody else should either. It should be enough that each and every writer has the same disclosure statement at the end of each and every article:
Disclosure – Long SIRI
Hmmmm. Does a mushroom cloud have a silver lining?
Sirius Roadkill, Yes for the people setting it off. I am sure the 1 million men (and families of those men) that would have had to invade Japan and would have died, been injured, see a silver lining in that mushroom cloud.
P.S. By the way, way more Japanese would have died if a invasion of Japan would have had to be done.