Digging Deeper Into Sirius XM’s Subscriber Number For Q4
In late November and early December of 2011 I outlined that Sirius XM (NASDAQ:SIRI) getting to their subscriber guidance had some challenges. Some took these articles as me calling for the company to miss the numbers. It actually was nothing along those lines. What I outlined was concerns regarding the pace of sales and production vs. what the company needed to do to get to guidance. The whole mantra was that Sirius XM needed to be more aggressive on retention, see December sales of at least 1,150,000, and get some traction from the used car market in order to get to the numbers needed to meet guidance of 1.6 million.
Ultimately auto sales came in at impressive levels and the company beat their 1.6 million guidance by nearly 100,000 subscribers. Some of my critics were fast to point out that my “concern” over a miss was overblown. These people pointed to production in Q4 as the key driver of growth. I maintained that it was retention and the used car market that drove the number. Production certainly plays a role, but when compared to the barometer of previous quarters there was not a substantial movement in this category It would not be until the numbers were released that we could see where the pop in subscribers came from.
The company held their earnings report today, and we finally have some numbers to look at. Let’s start with deactivated subscribers and churn:
- In Q3 of 2011 Sirius XM had 1,804,448 deactivated subscribers on a self-pay number of 17,534,410.
- In Q3 churn was at 1.9%
- It stands to reason that if churn remains at 1.9% on a larger self-pay base in Q4 that the deactivated subscriber number would grow.
- In Q4 the churn remained at 1.9% yet the deactivated subscriber line went down from just over 1,804,448 million to 1,783,208.
- In Q4 the self pay subscriber line appreciated from 17,534,410 to 17,908,742.
How is it that the self pay base rises, churn remains the same, and yet the number of deactivated subscribers lowers? The answer is in decimal places. The company only reports 1 decimal place. In other words, churn of 1.94% can be reported as 1.9%. On the flip side, churn of 1.86% can also be reported as 1.9%. This could cause a substantial difference. This is clearly part of how the company actually reported a decrease in deactivated subscribers while maintaining level churn. Thus, it is clear that retention efforts were active during the quarter.
Another factor is in the daily weighted average of subscribers. With higher car sales as well as the holiday, the company likely adds more in the tail end of the quarter vs. the beginning. By all rights the deactivated subscribers should have been approaching at least 1,850,000. This is clear as can be. The company bettered deactivated subscribers somewhere in the range of 67,000 to 80,000. This retention is great, but hits the ARPU line. ARPU in Q4 actually dropped from Q3′s $11.66 to $11.61. Many were expecting that consumers would be locking in the $199 package and that ARPU would appreciate. Instead, it went down.
This is further indication that the company was discounting the service to a level that was negative on ARPU. These are the swings I spoke of. Hitting and beating the subscriber number was great, but it came at the expense of ARPU. As investors we want to see subs going up as well as ARPU.
Now we get to some other bits of information. Self Pay subscribers went from 364,000 to 374,000 despite a weaker previous quarter, and Paid Promotional subscribers went up by nearly 200,000 from the previous quarter. This would indicate strength in a few areas such as used cars on the self pay category, and strength in production and sales partners in the paid promotional category.
The question is whether it was production or sales that drove the numbers. We know that production was actually lower from Ford and Chrysler than it was in the strong Q2. Those numbers have been released. What we saw was a ramp from GM and Honda in December that was above that which we saw from many other partners. In fact sales in the point-of-sale category rose by some 50,000 units during Q4 as compared to Q2. Thus, production was essentially the same, but point-of-sale numbers saw marked improvement. As I pointed out in late November (when auto sales were seeing weakness), the sales figures were what mattered, because production was already established, and was on par with the comparable Q2. In the end, December sales were great, and that relieved some pressure.
After digesting the numbers it is clear that Sirius XM benefited from subscriber retention and point-of-sale numbers to deliver the great subscriber number. I had thought that the used car market was getting its wheels on, but I did give too much credit there.
The negative is that the company had heavier retention efforts than I once thought. Keeping the sub is great, but we do not want to see ARPU suffer. Clearly that happened. I will rework my used car model and tread forward comfortable in that a deeper understanding of this segment of Sirius XM’s growth has been achieved.






I haven’t paid full price for my xm sum in 2.5 years. I have a Sirius lifetime sub, so the Xm is for O&A/R&F only. If I want a good deal I threaten to cancel and they bend over backwards to keep me. I have even heard of free subs just to keep the radio active. I wonder how many full price subs there really are out there?
Gimme. A. Break. Come on Spencer. You know as well as anybody that Mel always underpromises and over-delivers. He said at the beginning of last year that they were guiding for 1.4 Million subs and they ended up with 1.7 Million.
This year is no exception. Why are you stoking flames that you know won’t mean a thing a year from now? Who are you writing for? Seriously. Why write this…when you KNOW Sirius is gonna blow their sub numbers out of the water? Whats your game? Cause you are a smart man. So why this article? Seriously.
2.1% estimated churn (Mel words) on a higher base in the midst of a price increase is why they have guided so low. They may do more, but if they don’t, it should not be taken too badly by end of the year.
I believe the 1.3 mln. subs. and 2.1 churn rate is based on an unstated change in policy on the retention program. Siri is not going to keep doing this. It is not rewarding. As “Subscriber for 9 years” stated, he threatens to cancel his sub and siri caves and give a cheaper rate.
Given that every new sub. today is more profitable than those before it, the used car market is developing, and the ever increasing total number of subscriptions raises advertising rates, it makes sense to abandon the retention program, at least at ridiculously low prices.
SiriusXM now knows it’s customer base is in the six figure income group where the annual cost of a product under $200/year is irrelevant.
Good article Spencer. We are entering a new era for siri. Old metrics are unreliable, in the sense that our overall company picture is more clear. Eg: 20 million subs, new sub rate, better brand name recognition, car deals, etc…..I believe we ate entering an exciting time for the company and us as shareholders. We are actually profitable now. We couldn’t say that two years ago. Out debt is better. Our finance rate is I better. Arpu could improve, true, but overall, we are healthy. It’s important to remember where we were in summer 2008 and wher. e we are now in Feb 2012. I know that I, for one, am sleeping better nowadays than I was four years ago!
Dezo….
Please excuse me while i laugh uncontrolled for a minute.
A mole for Sirius XM competitors???
Oh my, that is just too funny! By saying “some of us” I can only assume you are in a sirius xm chat board frequented by kool-aide drinking members patting each other on the back all day.
There really is a sucker born every minute.
You don’t trust a guy who created, built, and wrote on a blog dedicated to Sirius XM over the course of 5 years, all while he actively held SIRI stock? What is Siriusbuzz “the long con?” If he is a mole, who is paying him? Pandora has no money AND he actively states that he uses and prefers Slacker.
Dezo….
I understand that unless someone is always a perma-bull on SIRI, that you don’t trust them. Heck, you even help your case of paranoia by assigning friendships to me that don’t exist. I have never met Rocco or Cameron, and have only spoken to them very briefly.
My stance on car sales is quite fine, but thank you for your unwarranted concerns.
Dezo….
It is you that insinuates that I am some sort of “mole” for the competition”
Do you even realize how foolish that sounds?
Not referring to any forum or chat in particular. Jealous of Brandon? Try the opposite. This site is 10 times bigger than he could ever hope to be and remains that way despite all of his efforts to undermine everyone else. It is a good place for people who need the comfort of on line social interaction and love drama.
Dezo….
You are unreal! Theres yahoo, aol, msn, among many others.
I am not undermining the stock…that is your paranoia speaking
Try bringing resl discussion to the table rather than nonsense…i mean look how you started this thread off!
Dezo…..
You are being an idiot. Let me clarify that by stating that I am not calling you an idiot, but rather describing your behavior.
I will write about what subject I want, when I want to write it, and after I have seen enough data to make an analysis of how it could impact Sirius XM.
That will likely mean that I will pen something at about the halfway point of the month, then again a week before the final numbers. A strong and savvy investor would have had this all figured out by now rather than carrying on with paranoid delusions about whether some vast conspiracy exists to “undermine the stock”.
You are just going to have to check in every day to see if I write or not.
Dezo….
You just can’t step up to a level of intelligence and maturity can you. Are you a 12 year old? You are certainly acting like one!
When I write about march auto sales does not matter one iota! You asked a question at 8:39 PM. I answered it at 9:19 PM. And you have the gall to say that “i finally answered” you. Grow up.
You are hung up on trivial details that matter little, when there could be intelligent discussion.
Earlier I said you were acting like an idiot… now I am flat out calling you an idiot. Take a minute to read this thread again and see how much of an idiot you have made yourself.
Dezo….
I was replying on a small cell phone so there will be typo’s at times.
You seem to still have a preconceived notion about all of this, and your refusal to give that up has really clouded your judgement. you are making yourself look foolish.
You say that I am trying to “undermine the stock”, but the history of what I have written proves otherwise.
I have tried to explain to you several times now that I am reporting items that may have an impact on the stock in the coming days or weeks, and giving investors that insight early. You can take that information and utilize it, or you can be stubborn and only desire the positives.
On January 18 I published a piece titled “January auto sales off to a slow start…why Sirius XM investors need not worry” – http://seekingalpha.com/articl.....-not-worry
At that time the start in January was indeed slow, but I outlined some reasons people do not need to worry about it.
On January 24 I wrote, “January auto sales still at a slow pace for Sirius XM;No real worries” – http://seekingalpha.com/articl.....al-worries
On January 31 I wrote, “With January Auto Sales Off To A Modest Start Sirius XM Will Do Just Fine” – http://seekingalpha.com/articl.....-just-fine
On February 8th I wrote, ” Fleet sales Were The Difference Maker in January Auto Sector – http://siriusbuzz.com/fleet-sa.....sector.php
This spelled out exactly why the entire analyst community saw a surprise in January sales, and primed the pump for what to look for in February
On February 17th I wrote, “Early Indicators of February Auto Sales Bode Well for Sirius XM” – http://seekingalpha.com/articl.....-sirius-xm
On February 27th I wrote, “February Auto Sales Projections Boost Sirius XM” – http://seekingalpha.com/articl.....-sirius-xm
On February 2nd I wrote, “February Auto Sales Should Excite Sirius XM Investors – http://siriusbuzz.com/february.....estors.php
Read all of these and then take a minute to review your paranoid theory that I am trying to “undermine the stock” or “am a mole for the competition of SIRI”. Do you see how foolish you look? Your “body blows” are nothing more than the insignificant bite of a mosquito…..Why….Because they do not even really exist with the reality and totality of what was written.
Most intelligent people look at the information and try to figure out how the market may react. Kool-Aide drinking investors that simply invest on want and hope rely on pumping pieces that simply praise everything SIRI does.
Dezo, you are looking, playing, and continue to be the fool here. Seriously…..Read what was written and the CONTEXT for which it was written. Drop your preconceived notions for a minute and look at those articles with a clean field of vision. If you can do that, and are a quality person, you will come back and acknowledge that you let your wants and desires for SIRI jade your opinion of what was presented in these articles.
So here we are on March 11 and you are asking for when I will write about the numbers. You need to understand that it is not about what the number is at this point, but the perception of what has happened thus far in the month and trying to anticipate what the rest of the month will mean. Edmunds has already said there may be a dip in SAAR for march. http://www.edmunds.com/industr.....ruary.html
By your reasoning and preconceived notions, if I report that, I will be “undermining the stock”. It has been reported that new car incentives are down this month, and that could impact sales. I know this, and savvy investors know this, but you don’t want to know this. That is fine.
Dezo, I guess that a lot of what I write simply goes over your head. It could be because you are so intertwined with your preconceived notions that you are blinded, or it could be something else. I fully expect that you will not take the time to review these articles, and will come back with something that accomplishes little. However, this remedial session may help a few others, so I do not mind having invested the time into this response
Dezo…
You siad, “A gentleman and a veritable author will not go this low.”
I have been a gentleman, but you have gone on and on and on and on and on and on about the most stupid things. I have shown remarkable patience when it comes to trying to explain and explain and explain and explain things to you, but you continue down a path that only an idiot, or a stupid person would. You have left me no room other than to arrive at the conclusion that you simply lack the mental capacity to have a meaningful discussion. I am sorry if this offends you. I am sorry if the people you know dance around the issue, but at the end of the day you are what you are, and continue to demonstrate the behavior of an idiot.
You said, “This is one of the reasons I group you with Rocco and Cameron.”
Frankly, you can group me into whatever category you would like to. I have the same right. That is why, given all of your comment history, that I group you into a select category of people demonstrating that they are idiots.
You say, “Your ranting would be a disservice to your little left credibility and tattered auto numbers credibility.”
I see you broke out the thesaurus. Very good, maybe there is a glimmer of hope. As to your opinion on my credibility and auto numbers. You are in a very distinct minority. Sorry to clue you in like this, but you are simply still being an idiot.
Dezo….
Not bitter at all. In fact, i am quite calm. I do lose patience with people who go on and on and on about insignificant minutia. By example, I took the time to give you a response to several auto articles that debunk your stance about my auto numbers. Do you even bother to look st those and come up with an intelligent response? No…you want to know when i will publish March numbers! How utterly foolish!
My love life? Really? Do you really want to further prove how idiotic you have become? What on earth does that have to do with anything?
Grow up!
Dezo….
You have been a disgusting waste of my, and everyone elses time.
Come back when you have something material to say.