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  1. MUSCLE13 is offline
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    07-24-2015, 03:16 PM #161
    Plea to John Malone - Have Liberty buy Sirius or spin it as a RMT, but for goodness sake get the old Sirius retail daytraders the heck out of this stock by getting out of penny stock hell with a lower share count. Every other media stock has a knowledgeable institutional base. Do something Malone! Thanks

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    07-24-2015, 03:36 PM #162
    Hahaha! Go muscle, go!

    Quote Originally Posted by muscle13 View Post
    i really cannot believe what i am reading here. Does anybody know how to calculate stock values by using mathematical calculations here at all???? When you are buying a stock you are buying future earnings - whether that is free cash flow per share, ev/ebitda or eps. You are buying earnings!!!!! It's not timing. It's not trading, it's not buying and holding. It is math! Over an extended period of time it is always earnings! Oh forget it. Nobody wants to put in any effort at all. Go buy lotto. Have a ball...........

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    07-24-2015, 03:43 PM #163
    @Muscle... BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM! KAPOWWWWW!!!

    DALLAS , July 24, 2015 /PRNewswire/ -- AT&T Inc. has completed its acquisition of DIRECTV. The newly combined company – the largest pay TV provider in the United States and the world – will offer millions of people more choices for video entertainment on any screen from almost anywhere, any time.

    "Combining DIRECTV with AT&T(T) is all about giving customers more choices for great video entertainment integrated with mobile and high-speed Internet service," said Randall Stephenson, AT&T(T) chairman and CEO. "We'll now be able to meet consumers' future entertainment preferences, whether they want traditional TV service with premier programming, their favorite content on a mobile device, or video streamed over the Internet to any screen."

    "This transaction allows us to significantly expand our high-speed Internet service to reach millions more households, which is a perfect complement to our coast-to-coast TV and mobile coverage," Stephenson said. "We're now a fundamentally different company with a diversified set of capabilities and businesses that set us apart from the competition."

    AT&T(T) now is the largest pay TV provider in the U.S. and the world, providing service to more than 26 million customers in the United States and more than 191 million customers in Latin America, including Mexico and the Caribbean. Additionally, AT&T(T) has more than 132 million wireless subscribers and connections in the U.S. and Mexico; offers 4G LTE mobile coverage to nearly 310 million people in the U.S.; covers 57 million U.S. customer locations with high-speed Internet; and has nearly 16 million subscribers to its high-speed Internet service.

    Current customers of AT&T(T) and DIRECTV do not need to do anything as a result of the merger. They'll continue to receive their same services, channel lineups, and customer care. Customer account information, online access and billing arrangements remain the same. The integration of AT&T(T) and DIRECTV will occur over the coming months. In the coming weeks, AT&T(T) will launch new integrated TV, mobile and high-speed Internet offers that give customers greater value and convenience.

    With the completion of its DIRECTV acquisition, AT&T(T) will continue to deploy its all-fiber GigaPower Internet access service – the company's highest-speed Internet service, which allows you to download a TV show in as little as three seconds. When the expansion is complete, AT&T's(T) all-fiber broadband footprint will reach more than 14 million customer locations.

    AT&T (T) announced that John Stankey will be CEO of AT&T Entertainment & Internet Services, responsible for leading its combined DIRECTV and AT&T Home Solutions operations. Stankey will report to Stephenson. DIRECTV President, Chairman and CEO Mike White announced his plans to retire.

    "Mike is one of the world's top CEOs and a great leader who built DIRECTV into a premier TV and video entertainment company spanning the U.S. and Latin America," Stephenson said. "He has been a terrific partner and friend, and his legacy will be an important part of our combined company."

    As a result of this transaction, AT&T(T) leads the industry in offering consumers premier content, particularly live sports programming, such as the exclusive rights to NFL SUNDAY TICKET, which gives customers every out-of-market NFL game, every Sunday afternoon, on any screen – TV, mobile devices or PCs. Additionally, the company owns ROOT SPORTS, one of the nation's premier regional sports networks, and has stakes in The Tennis Channel, MLB Network, NHL Network, and GSN (Game Show Network).

    AT&T (T) is also developing unique video offerings for consumers through, among other initiatives, its Otter Media joint venture with The Chernin Group. The joint venture was established to invest in, acquire and launch over-the-top (OTT) video services. This includes its purchase of a majority stake in Fullscreen, a global online media company that works with more than 50,000 content creators who engage 450 million subscribers and generate 4 billion monthly views.

    Under the terms of the merger, DIRECTV shareholders received 1.892 shares of AT&T(T) common stock, in addition to $28.50 in cash, per share of DIRECTV. AT&T(T) will provide complete updated 2015 financial guidance at a conference the company will host for financial analysts in the coming weeks. The conference will be webcast to the public.

    The DIRECTV acquisition significantly diversifies AT&T's(T) revenue mix, products, geographies and customer bases. As a result of this acquisition, as well as AT&T's(T) acquisition of Iusacell and Nextel Mexico, AT&T(T) expects that, by the end of 2015, its largest revenue streams will be, in descending order: Business Solutions (both wireless and wireline); Entertainment & Internet; Consumer Mobility; and International Mobility and Video.

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    07-24-2015, 03:49 PM #164
    Quote Originally Posted by midas360 View Post
    @Muscle... BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM! KAPOWWWWW!!!

    DALLAS , July 24, 2015 /PRNewswire/ -- AT&T Inc. has completed its acquisition of DIRECTV. The newly combined company – the largest pay TV provider in the United States and the world – will offer millions of people more choices for video entertainment on any screen from almost anywhere, any time.

    "Combining DIRECTV with AT&T(T) is all about giving customers more choices for great video entertainment integrated with mobile and high-speed Internet service," said Randall Stephenson, AT&T(T) chairman and CEO. "We'll now be able to meet consumers' future entertainment preferences, whether they want traditional TV service with premier programming, their favorite content on a mobile device, or video streamed over the Internet to any screen."

    "This transaction allows us to significantly expand our high-speed Internet service to reach millions more households, which is a perfect complement to our coast-to-coast TV and mobile coverage," Stephenson said. "We're now a fundamentally different company with a diversified set of capabilities and businesses that set us apart from the competition."

    AT&T(T) now is the largest pay TV provider in the U.S. and the world, providing service to more than 26 million customers in the United States and more than 191 million customers in Latin America, including Mexico and the Caribbean. Additionally, AT&T(T) has more than 132 million wireless subscribers and connections in the U.S. and Mexico; offers 4G LTE mobile coverage to nearly 310 million people in the U.S.; covers 57 million U.S. customer locations with high-speed Internet; and has nearly 16 million subscribers to its high-speed Internet service.

    Current customers of AT&T(T) and DIRECTV do not need to do anything as a result of the merger. They'll continue to receive their same services, channel lineups, and customer care. Customer account information, online access and billing arrangements remain the same. The integration of AT&T(T) and DIRECTV will occur over the coming months. In the coming weeks, AT&T(T) will launch new integrated TV, mobile and high-speed Internet offers that give customers greater value and convenience.

    With the completion of its DIRECTV acquisition, AT&T(T) will continue to deploy its all-fiber GigaPower Internet access service – the company's highest-speed Internet service, which allows you to download a TV show in as little as three seconds. When the expansion is complete, AT&T's(T) all-fiber broadband footprint will reach more than 14 million customer locations.

    AT&T (T) announced that John Stankey will be CEO of AT&T Entertainment & Internet Services, responsible for leading its combined DIRECTV and AT&T Home Solutions operations. Stankey will report to Stephenson. DIRECTV President, Chairman and CEO Mike White announced his plans to retire.

    "Mike is one of the world's top CEOs and a great leader who built DIRECTV into a premier TV and video entertainment company spanning the U.S. and Latin America," Stephenson said. "He has been a terrific partner and friend, and his legacy will be an important part of our combined company."

    As a result of this transaction, AT&T(T) leads the industry in offering consumers premier content, particularly live sports programming, such as the exclusive rights to NFL SUNDAY TICKET, which gives customers every out-of-market NFL game, every Sunday afternoon, on any screen – TV, mobile devices or PCs. Additionally, the company owns ROOT SPORTS, one of the nation's premier regional sports networks, and has stakes in The Tennis Channel, MLB Network, NHL Network, and GSN (Game Show Network).

    AT&T (T) is also developing unique video offerings for consumers through, among other initiatives, its Otter Media joint venture with The Chernin Group. The joint venture was established to invest in, acquire and launch over-the-top (OTT) video services. This includes its purchase of a majority stake in Fullscreen, a global online media company that works with more than 50,000 content creators who engage 450 million subscribers and generate 4 billion monthly views.

    Under the terms of the merger, DIRECTV shareholders received 1.892 shares of AT&T(T) common stock, in addition to $28.50 in cash, per share of DIRECTV. AT&T(T) will provide complete updated 2015 financial guidance at a conference the company will host for financial analysts in the coming weeks. The conference will be webcast to the public.

    The DIRECTV acquisition significantly diversifies AT&T's(T) revenue mix, products, geographies and customer bases. As a result of this acquisition, as well as AT&T's(T) acquisition of Iusacell and Nextel Mexico, AT&T(T) expects that, by the end of 2015, its largest revenue streams will be, in descending order: Business Solutions (both wireless and wireline); Entertainment & Internet; Consumer Mobility; and International Mobility and Video.
    I think both businesses - DTV sat tv, and AT&T cellular phone and fiber basically suck with too much competition and very little growth prospects. Sorry

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    07-24-2015, 03:53 PM #165
    Don't be sorry. I respect your opinion. It will be very interesting to see how they do going forward. I still think it's all about data and the network. AT&T wants to own the highways/infrastructure and the toll booths.

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    07-24-2015, 04:22 PM #166
    Quote Originally Posted by MUSCLE13 View Post
    I really cannot believe what I am reading here. Does anybody know how to calculate stock values by using mathematical calculations here at all???? When you are buying a stock you are buying future earnings - whether that is free cash flow per share, EV/EBITDA or eps. YOU ARE BUYING EARNINGS!!!!! It's not timing. It's not trading, It's not buying and holding. IT IS MATH! Over an extended period of time it is ALWAYS EARNINGS! Oh forget it. Nobody wants to put in any effort at all. Go buy lotto. Have a ball...........
    Over an extended period of time you may be right about that....But time is a funny thing - it's relative. In the "Extended period of time", we could all die of old age.....and of course everyplace in the whole freaking world is within walking distance....if you have enough time.

    I agree that earnings, or at least the expectation of future earnings is what drives long term stock appreciation. My previous point above was that there are also other ways to invest that are just as legitimate in the short and intermediate term where things like market sentiment, uptrends and downtrends, TA, buyout rumors, company guidance and revisions to that guidance, black swann events, gov't regulation, secondary offerings, short interest, product competition, economic conditions, currency exchange rates, interest rates, and a host of other things play into the short and intermediate term price of a stock. I general, I agree with you that in time the logical rational valuations like FCF EV/EBITIDA or eps will evenutually come to the fore if an investment is given enough time. However, I think it was John Maynard Keynes who said "the stock market can remain irrational a lot longer than most men can remain solvent"....you can go broke and starve waiting for your ship to come in.

    I think you have found what works for you and it seems you have done quite well. I'm just pointing out that there are other legitimate ways make (or lose) ground in this stock market that don't involve gambling or luck. If it were just math, then anyone with a calculator could do it.

    Anyway Muscle, you know what you are doing and I'm not here to argue with you over what is the best way to invest so please forgive me if it seems I was coming after you - I'm not. I just popped in here yesterday and today, after being a silent lurker for the past 7 or 8 months to see how Hedy is doing on his investment in BM's realshortdata.com website - the one he was here shilling for and trying to get people on this forum to go join last time I posted around the holidays. I heard something about a car and a cow recently, but for a site that was going to turn the investment world on it's ear, things are strangely quiet. Hedy seemed pretty certain that, given (a lot of) time, that investment was gonna pay off BIG! Anyone know what the deal is? Just curious.
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    07-24-2015, 07:47 PM #167
    @Denco... do you go to the Spurs game much or do you like to watch them on television? What are your thoughts on them signing Aldridge and Simmons?

    Edit: Curious how often you went last year to see the spurs. You seem like a huge fan.
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    07-24-2015, 10:26 PM #168
    Can't believe it but didn't go to a game last year. Went several times year before last but not last year. Will make it a point to make a few this season as it will probably be Ginobili's last year......maybe Duncan too. I prefer the game on TV especially since going is a bit of a hassle as we live 150 miles away in Laredo but very fun when we do get up there. My girls love to go and were disappointed we did not go to even one game last year. I will have to make it up to them this year.

    They made all the right moves. Kept the core intact and added great pieces with Aldridge being the next in line to Duncan with Leonard. Can't wait for the season though am a bit sad because the end of this team as we know it is near......enjoy it while it lasts I guess.

    GoSpursGo

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    07-24-2015, 10:50 PM #169
    Denco,

    I was under the impression you lived in San Antonio. I've always been amazed at how large the fan base is for the Spurs OUTSIDE of San Antonio. It's pretty awesome if you ask me and seeing the people show up at the airport waiting on the team to arrive late night and sometimes early AM hours is impressive too. I don't know if I would drive 150 miles to go to a game either. You are more of a fan than I am. It's going to be fun watching them work with a younger team and hopefully building the next championship team. I was going to even ask if you wanted to meet up for lunch sometime but being in Laredo, that may not happen. HAHA it's cool because there are several guys I've met in the trading chat room that live here and we meet up for lunch at least once a month or so.
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    07-24-2015, 11:24 PM #170
    Quote Originally Posted by midas360 View Post
    Don't be sorry. I respect your opinion. It will be very interesting to see how they do going forward. I still think it's all about data and the network. AT&T wants to own the highways/infrastructure and the toll booths.
    Dirtbag...basically muscle just told you and att to go suck a big fat one!! lol.

    that just made my night!!

    Sweet dreams all.

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