Our Marxist Wizard of Oz

[Havakasha]

Trafficking in fringe right wing groups these days? lmfao. You are clearly more and more at home with who you really are. Excellent. lol

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/the...-barack-obama/
In today’s Washington Post, E.J. Dionne returns to a familiar theme, the extent to which Republican, specifically hard-core conservative, opposition to President Obama manifests itself as personal hatred and outright demonization:
They say that President Obama is a Muslim, but if he isn’t, he’s a secularist who is waging war on religion. On some days he’s a Nazi, but on most others he’s merely a socialist. His especially creative opponents see him as having a “Kenyan anti-colonial worldview,” while the less adventurous say that he’s an elitist who spent too much time in Cambridge, Hyde Park and other excessively academic precincts.
Whatever our president is, he is never allowed to be a garden-variety American who plays basketball and golf, has a remarkably old-fashioned family life and, in the manner we regularly recommend to our kids, got ahead by getting a good education.
Please forgive this outburst. It’s simply astonishing that a man in his fourth year as our president continues to be the object of the most extraordinary paranoid fantasies. A significant part of his opposition still cannot accept that Obama is a rather moderate politician quite conventional in his tastes and his interests. And now that the economy is improving, short-circuiting easy criticisms, Obama’s adversaries are reheating all the old tropes and cliches and slanders.

[SiriuslyLong]

Nothing diversionary about it. Dont you read how Fox news tied Saul Alinsky to Marxism and Obama to Alinsky. I knew you would rather avoid it. Par for the course.

Do yourself a favor and educate yourself.

Nope. Didn't read that Fox News tied Saul Alinsky to Marxism and Obama to Alinsky. There are plenty of other considerations that point to Obama adopting a Marxist point of view. Haven't you read ANYTHING? There are 6 pages of articles here.

[Havakasha]

Yet many in the anti-Obama camp just can’t stop themselves from playing on fears that electing a man who defies old stereotypes was a terrible mistake. Thus did the Rev. Franklin Graham assert Tuesday on MSNBC not only that Muslims regard Obama as “a son of Islam” (because his father was Muslim) but also that “under President Obama, the Muslims of the world, he seems to be more concerned about them than the Christians that are being murdered in the Muslim countries.” Graham slightly softened his comments on CNN Wednesday, but it remains troubling that he chose to turn a legitimate concern about the persecution of Christians into a slander.
This is a phenomenon that we’ve all been witness to ever since President Obama was elected, if not before then. It started with the whispered assertion by some that the President was not actually born in the United States, or that he was somehow ineligible to be President due to something written by a Swiss legal scholar in a book that was not even available in the United States until several years after the Constitution had been drafted. While many on the right would deny that this was ever a mainstream belief, the reality is that it was also not something that prominent spokespersons on the right sought to discourage or reject until it became too much of an embarrassment to the movement. Other rumors spread about the President have included the assertion that he is a “secret Muslim,” that he secretly traveled to Pakistan during a time when it was impossible for Americans to get a visa to visit the country, and that his very Presidency is part of some vast conspiracy to undermine the United States.
During the 2008 campaign itself, we saw the full force of conservative talk radio, and on more than a few occasions, the Republican Vice-Presidential nominee, attack claim that then-Senator Obama was a socialist with ties to radical preachers and 1960s radicals. The campaign didn’t work, of course, and in fact it became clear by October 2008 that the more conservatives attacked Obama, the worse the Republicans did in the polls. By the time it was over the GOP had suffered its biggest loss to a non-incumbent Democrat since 1992. One would have thought that this would have led to a period of introspection on the right, and perhaps the realization on the right that trying to scare the crap out of people was not really an effective strategy. By the time of President Obama’s Inauguration, though, it seemed like the demonization meme had won out, as exemplified most fully in Rush Limbaugh’s statement that he hoped the President failed. When some Republicans spoke up to disagree with what Limbaugh was saying, pointing out for example that rooting for the President to fail is akin to rooting for the nation to fail, they found themselves quickly denounced amid the ever-increasing din of anti-Obama fervor. The “Obama as evil” rhetoric increased, of course, after the birth of the Tea Party movement, which often found itself being spoken for by extremist elements who would question the President’s religious faith, his place of birth, and even whether he had actually graduated from Columbia University.

[SiriuslyLong]

Trafficking in fringe right wing groups these days? lmfao. You are clearly more and more at home with who you really are. Excellent. lol

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/the...-barack-obama/
In today’s Washington Post, E.J. Dionne returns to a familiar theme, the extent to which Republican, specifically hard-core conservative, opposition to President Obama manifests itself as personal hatred and outright demonization:
They say that President Obama is a Muslim, but if he isn’t, he’s a secularist who is waging war on religion. On some days he’s a Nazi, but on most others he’s merely a socialist. His especially creative opponents see him as having a “Kenyan anti-colonial worldview,” while the less adventurous say that he’s an elitist who spent too much time in Cambridge, Hyde Park and other excessively academic precincts.
Whatever our president is, he is never allowed to be a garden-variety American who plays basketball and golf, has a remarkably old-fashioned family life and, in the manner we regularly recommend to our kids, got ahead by getting a good education.
Please forgive this outburst. It’s simply astonishing that a man in his fourth year as our president continues to be the object of the most extraordinary paranoid fantasies. A significant part of his opposition still cannot accept that Obama is a rather moderate politician quite conventional in his tastes and his interests. And now that the economy is improvineg, short-circuiting easy criticisms, Obama’s adversaries are reheating all the old tropes and cliches and slanders.

Studying our president's economic and societal beliefs is not extreme right wing at all. You are the one posting the extreme right wing stuff above.

You have to admit that Obama has indeed expanded government into the lives of ordinary citizens, and will continue to do so if left unabated.

[Havakasha]

Oh au contraire. It is ABSOLUTELY extreme right wing to argue that president Obama is a Marxist. Its off the charts as a matter of fact.

Part of the expansion of govt had to do with the fact that we were experiencing the 2nd worst
recession in our history. Much like Frankliin Roosevelt (i know, another Communist. lol)
stimulus was a necessary ingredient in rescuing our economy. I think we are starting to see
the positive results. Its actually very mainstream Democratic and Republican economic
theory that most economists believe in.You are just spewing rigid doctrine. You know:govt
is evil. Silly

Scott Galupo argues that this has been a central part of the opposition to the President from the beginning:
Out of political convenience or cultural distance, Beltway conservatives refuse to see this: Hardcore conservative opposition to Obama has always been cultural and theological. The pop-theological mainstream of American evangelicals has so thoroughly assimilated the ideal of American capitalism that any deviation, however modest, from it is tantamount to radical godless humanism. And, in an extension of an older intradenominational debate, conservative Catholics like Santorum deeply mistrust the ideal of “social justice” as championed by the Catholic left.
Galupo is correct, of course, and the fact that much of the policy that people like Santorum criticize the President for isn’t really any more radical than those adopted by his Republican predecessor demonstrates quite clearly that what we’re actually dealing with here isn’t a policy dispute, it’s a personal one. For better or worse, hard-core American conservatism has become invested in the idea that you can’t just disagree with President Obama, you have to hate him and assume the absolutely worst about him. That’s why you see candidates like Jon Huntsman and Mitt Romney pushed to the side by these voters in favor of the Santorum’s, Gingrich’s, and Bachmann’s of the world. How this can possibly be healthy for either the GOP itself, or the nation as a whole, I really don’t understand, but if we’ve learned anything so far it’s that the hatred that Dionne and Galupo complain of is with us to stay, and that’s it’s going to be a very nasty year.

[SiriuslyLong]

Studying our president's economic and societal beliefs is not extreme right wing at all. You are the one posting the extreme right wing stuff above.

You have to admit that Obama has indeed expanded government into the lives of ordinary citizens, and will continue to do so if left unabated.

You'll have to take it at face value I'm afraid. Call it what you wish.

[Havakasha]

I will call it what it is. Not what YOU wish it to be. Maybe its just simply a case of you freaking out about some of your Right wing Republican candidates.

How do you feel about Santorum, Perry, Romney, Huckabee, Gringrich,etc.?

Take them in any order.

Its been fun arguing with you. Have a good life. Should be interesting to see
how 2012 turns out. Obviously I am really hoping President Obama wins

[SiriuslyLong]

I will call it what it is. Not what YOU wish it to be. Maybe its just simply a case of you freaking out about some of your Right wing Republican candidates.

How do you feel about Santorum, Perry, Romney, Huckabee, Gringrich,etc.?

Take them in any order.

Its been fun arguing with you. Have a good life. Should be interesting to see
how 2012 turns out. Obviously I am really hoping President Obama wins

You have nothing to worry about. Obama will win a second term. My hope is that the senate and house remain split so that there is a check on Obama's leftist agenda. Then in 2016 we have a great non partisan candidate who's sole agenda is to get America back to work.

[Havakasha]

Anything can happen in 2012. I personally hope the center/Left President Obama will move from dead center toward more progressive stances. There will always be checks on whomever is in office now that Republicans have made 60 votes the number to pass legislation. Grid lock is not always a good thing for our country. So many wasted opportunities these past 2 years to really get the country going economically. So many important challenges to tackle. I sincerely hope infrastructure is tackled in a big way and soon.

Good luck and i hope you find the center again.

P.S. I dont have a problem understanding that govt makes mistake.
I also know that too little govt regulation or oversight lead to the 2nd
worst depression in our history. There is a balance needed.

This idea that you seem to always perpetuate that govt is evil while partaking
of many of its benefits makes you and others like you hypocrites.

And lastly, this thread started by you hasnt been about the problems of govt intervention
in the free market. You have called out President Obama as a Marxist. Its a blatant
lie and the fact that you dont have the intelligence or integrity to realize or acknowledge it
is sad. Good luck.

[SiriuslyLong]

Anything can happen in 2012. I hope the center/Left President Obama will move away from dead center as he is now doing in campaign mode. There will always be check on whomever is in office now that Republicans have made 60 votes the number to pass legislation. Grid lock is not always good. So many wasted opportunities these past 2 years to really get the country going economically. Sincerely hope infrastructure is tackled in a big way and soon.

Good luck and i hope you find the center again.

You too. One day you might be able to admit that government intervention into free markets sometimes has unintended negative consequences just like Dr. Paul suggested.