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  1. Havakasha is offline
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    08-09-2011, 01:26 AM #11
    From Joe Nocera in New York Times

    On the other hand, I also found myself nodding in agreement as I read S.& P.’s analysis. The downgrade, after all, was less about economics than politics. S.& P. was frightened by the same thing that has scared most Americans: the spectacle of an unyielding minority of Tea Party Republicans ready to push the country into default rather than accept even modest tax increases to help bring down the deficit. “The effectiveness, stability, and predictability of American policy-making and political institutions have weakened at a time of ongoing fiscal and economic challenges,” wrote S.& P. in its downgrade report. Who can disagree?


    Has any president in American history left behind as much lasting damage as George W. Bush? In addition to two unfinished wars, he also set us on the path to our current financial mess. The Bush tax cuts, which turned a surplus into a growing deficit, have been disastrous. As James Fallows pointed out in a prescient 2005 article in The Atlantic predicting a meltdown, they reduced tax revenue “to its lowest level as a share of the economy in the modern era.” (In its downgrade report, S.& P. suggested that it did not believe that Congress would let the cuts expire at the end of 2012, as they’re supposed to.) Then, in 2003, Bush pushed through prescription drug coverage for Medicare recipients. David M. Walker, then the comptroller general, described 2003 as “the most reckless fiscal year in the history of the Republic,” adding some $13 trillion in future entitlement costs.

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    08-09-2011, 01:29 AM #12
    More from Joe Nocera.


    In the end, a downgrade from a ratings agency shouldn’t keep anyone up at night; it’s a sideshow. What should cause some sleepless nights is the never-ending turmoil in Europe. I keep thinking about the moment in 1931 when the failure of an Austrian bank led to a contagion of bank runs, first in Europe and then in the United States, and helped bring about the Depression. Could Europe’s current debt contagion jump the Atlantic again? The possibility strikes me as painfully plausible.



    I keep waiting for one wealthy, well-known figure to stand up and say publicly that he or she is willing to pay more in taxes as part of the shared sacrifice necessary to gain control of the country’s deficit. I know there are wealthy people who’ve had that thought — not just liberals like Warren Buffett, but old-fashioned, rock-ribbed Republicans who are worried about the country’s debt problems. I even have a pretty good idea who some of them are. Come on, folks. Your country needs to hear from you.

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    08-09-2011, 11:13 AM #13
    I would have thought S&L would think some of the things i posted here to be quite informative.

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    08-09-2011, 11:53 AM #14
    Quote Originally Posted by Havakasha View Post
    I would have thought S&L would think some of the things i posted here to be quite informative.
    I would have thought Hava-gafa-kasha would think some of the things I posted here to be quite informative.

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    08-09-2011, 12:21 PM #15
    Nah. I was just countering more rigid partisanship from you/ lmfao. My articles on the other hand.....
    You dont really believe that China wont be borrowing from us anymore?

    Its clear that treasuries are still in heavy demand. Mr. Schiff was wrong once again about treasury interest rates. I love the fact that he he certainly tried his best to assist his wacky and irresponsible estimate of the Dow at 1,200 or gold at 12,000 by taking the tea party position that the debt limit shouldnt be raised.
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    08-09-2011, 02:35 PM #16
    Quote Originally Posted by Havakasha View Post
    Nah. I was just countering more rigid partisanship from you/ lmfao. My articles on the other hand.....
    You dont really believe that China wont be borrowing from us anymore?

    Its clear that treasuries are still in heavy demand. Mr. Schiff was wrong once again about treasury interest rates. I love the fact that he he certainly tried his best to assist his wacky and irresponsible estimate of the Dow at 1,200 or gold at 12,000 by taking the tea party position that the debt limit shouldnt be raised.
    You mustn't have read the Krugman posts I made.

    Gold is again at an all time high, and I'm up 30% on the Gold ETF I have in my portfolio.

    It's funny you think you "countered" my "rigid partisanship". You are pathetic. You posted NOTHING that wasn't already known or discussed. Nothing - YOU added NOTHING to the discussion.

    On the other hand Lloyd, I'm sure whatever disorder you have is treatable.

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    08-09-2011, 02:53 PM #17
    I read the one where you called Krugman a "rigid ideologue"
    "he may be one of the most rigid"
    Sorry but i dont see the balance in your posts.

    Glad you have gold. Soros advised investing in it long ago, as well as many other people, as a hedge against economic downturn.
    I have always had some gold coins.

    Very angry today huh? Try to keep your sense of humor. I thought we were having some fun as usual
    Maybe you should stay on satelliteradioplayground and continue to shoot from the hip as i said earlier
    You got that BM comment wrong did you not?

    I know it irks you that you are an admirer of Peter Schiff and he gets so many things very wrong. Its
    not too late to admit you made a mistake there as well.

    "if im wrong, Im wrong." Yes,you are wrong.

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    08-09-2011, 02:57 PM #18
    Quote Originally Posted by Havakasha View Post
    I read the one where you called Krugman a "rigid ideologue"
    "he may be one of the most rigid"
    Sorry but i dont see the balance in your posts.

    Glad you have gold. Soros advised investing in it long ago, as well as many other people, as a hedge against economic downturn.
    I have always had some gold coins.

    Very angry today huh? Try to keep your sense of humor. I thought we were having some fun as usual
    Maybe you should stay on satelliteradioplayground and continue to shoot from the hip as i said earlier
    You got that BM comment wrong did you not?

    I know it irks you that you are an admirer of Peter Schiff and he gets so many things very wrong. Its
    not too late to admit you made a mistake there as well.

    "if im wrong, Im wrong." Yes,you are wrong.
    Nice, gold coins.

    BM did engage Rick, no?

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    08-09-2011, 03:04 PM #19
    Did you get it wrong about BM changing Ricks mind? No? Wrong about SA no? etc. etc.

    BM has been all over every side of every position. He reminds me a little of Peter Schiff. Both shameless self promoters who like to lead with shock announcements to gather an audience.
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    08-09-2011, 03:11 PM #20
    http://satwaves.com/blog/2009/09/04/...e-first-stone/

    Try this.

    And this.

    http://www.fool.com/investing/high-g...delusions.aspx

    I incorrectlly cited SA when it was MF. I stand corrected. But the links speak for themselves.

    For the record, I am not advocate for BM. That should be obvious, but with you.....
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