I hear there are now death threats on Walker. Wow. I thought the left was non violent. Silly me. Maybe everyone is violent.
Check out this link: http://moralauthority.wordpress.com/...ining-in-2005/
You seem to be mentioning Indiana a lot. Thought you'd be interested.
Last edited by SiriuslyLong; 02-25-2011 at 09:26 AM. Reason: here hear
You just proved again, that, opposite your protestations about being a centrist, and disagreement with the ideologue label, you are an ideologue.
Evidence?
1) You automatically believe the report of a ‘death threat’.
2) You automatically believe it was the ‘left’ that made it.
3) You don’t consider that it is a lie to get sympathy for the governor’s position.
4) You don’t consider the governor or his supporters are behind it.
5) You ridicule the ‘left’ by creating a straw-man argument; ‘Wow. I thought the left was non violent. Silly me. Maybe everyone is violent”.
6) You don’t say you will wait to see what the outcome/investigation will expose.
7) You apparently have not read the posts in this thread, or other media reports, that have shown the duplicitous nature of this ‘individual’ and what he is capable of, e.g., the phone call. While only circumstantial it is worth keeping in mind.
You sir, are an ideologue. That’s okay. Just admit it.
And what if it turns out that it is someone from the "left"?
Whoever said that there is not ONE individual from the left who might be violent, inappropriate or off-base? No one would ever make such a silly statement. ABSOLUTELY a straw man argument as you said Atypical.
Its funny but i dont seem to remember S&L EVER posting anything about all the death threats that are directed at the left. Hmmm. What does that tell you about his obvious biases?
What part of "I hear" didn't you understand? You read into a simple post far too much, and all to put a label on me. That's laughable, and in some respects pathetic. I'm not the idealogue. You are. Only your facts are true, anyone else's are suspect. You hold yourself in far to high regard.
Here's what you need to focus on: http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/02/2...ss_igoogle_cnn
Maybe if you took the time to actually read some other posts, you wouldn't spend so much time trying to label everyone who holds a contrarty point of view.
Last edited by SiriuslyLong; 02-25-2011 at 09:27 AM. Reason: wrong link, can't spell
Here's an objective link: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/...r_death_t.html
And another one: http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.co...-walker-video/
It's actually old news.
Too funny. The RIGHTnetwork is cited as an OBJECTIVE source on news. LMFAO
Sorry S&L but you are seriously laughable. The guy who puts labels on others is crying about being labeled. What is "pathetic" is that you dont even understand how the things you say over and over again make you an ideologue. I listed those 5 categories. Read them again and understand why we think about you the way we do. Read what Atypical says about your statement about death threats to the Gov. of Wisconsin to understand why we think about you the way we do.
If you werent an ideologue you WOULD have been able to acknowledge the nuances in various Governors postions with regard to labor rather than deny them, and then when i proved them utterly fail to comment.
NOW check out the new thread i am going to post on Dem. Governors and try to understand why working WITH labor and all orher parties is centrist and why your approach and the approach of Gov. Walker is PURE IDEOLOGY.
Last edited by Havakasha; 02-25-2011 at 11:02 AM.
I was being sarcastic. Sorry you missed it. It really was obvious though.
Painful necessity
Thursday, February 17, 2011
STAFF WRITER
After calling on a half million New Jersey workers to pay more for their health benefits, State Senate President Stephen Sweeney is well aware he'll have a fight on his hands.
Understandably, those union and public workers disagree -- vehemently -- with his bill seeking gradually increasing contributions until a maximum rate kicks in at the end of seven years.
While public employees now pay 1.5 percent of their salary toward medical benefits, Sen. Sweeney's plan bases payments on a percentage of the premium. The proposal applies increases on a sliding scale according to salary. After the seventh year, the lowest income workers would pay 12 percent of their premiums, while top earners would pay 30 percent. Annual payments would range from $2,280 to $5,700.
Steve Baker with the New Jersey Education Association summed up union opposition to the plan: "Last year (the state) gave a $1 billion tax cut to the wealthiest residents and that was deemed critically important. But time and time again, the state has come to working-class and middle-class workers and said. "You have to give more."
He's right about the inadvisability of what was known as the "millionaires' tax cut," but it's nothing more than a rich herring in this debate.
What's needed here, in the state with the highest unfunded liability and annual medical benefit costs in the nation, is not a quick infusion of cash, but a long-range, self-perpetuating system that will address an explosion of debt that threatens to dwarf the pension system fiasco.
As Star Ledger writer Jarrett Renshaw explains, unlike the laws governing public pension plans that typically require payments each year to fund current and future costs, retiree medical benefits rules allow states to pay on the current cost each year and ignore the long-term price tag.
In New Jersey, that long-term price tag is nearly $67 billion -- about $13 billion more than the state's pension deficit. And while the pension funds have $48 billion on hand, the state has saved exactly nothing for medical benefits.
Union leaders may see Sen. Sweeney's plan as balancing the state's budget on the backs of its middle-class workers. But all those New Jersey taxpayers who paid more than $4 billion for public employee health benefits probably have a different perspective. And health-care costs take up a large portion of local budgets.
There are no pain-free solutions to this problem, which each day ticks closer to detonation. No one is wild about the plan Sen. Sweeney has proposed. However, he deserves credit for getting out ahead of this issue and offering an approach that promises to be far more palatable than what Gov. Christie has up his sleeve.
http://www.nj.com/opinion/times/edit...230.xml&coll=5
I'm delighted that the democratic governers are working with unions to solve problems; check out the post above. I acknowledge the nuance. I acknowledge that Walker is heavy handed. That's what happens when checks and balances are lost and the ultimate power is shifted to only one party, right? Acknowledge that. Acknowledge that the democrats in the federal government enjoyed two years of ultimate power to move their agenda forward with little regard to their rival party. You won't because you judge their agenda as "good" and Walker's as "bad". Sorry pal, it is what it is. The power has shifted, like it or not. Again, ask yourself why.
Ah you were being sarcastic. So i guess you are acknowledging your ideological rigidity afterall. Bravo. LOL.
No sorry i wont acknowledge what you are saying. Bush was in power for 8 years and 6 of those with total control of the govt. Some of what Obama and the Dems were doing was trying to turn back the "damage" Bush helped to
create, at the same time DEALING WITH THE 2ND WORST RECESSION IN OUR HISTORY (Bernake said in many ways its the WORST)The Repubicans responded in turn by filibustering in RECORD #'s and extreme ways. So to equate those 2 years to the previous 8 is straight out ludicrous and once again demonstrates your natural bias to the right.
You really dont know your political history if you can say the things you do.
Yes its polarized now, but that doesnt mean S&L should be coming to Walker's defense when clearly what he is doing is PURE IDEOLOGY. Look at the centrist ways the Dems and some of the Republicans. are trying to deal with budgetary problems. Again i ask you why you came to Walkers defense first INSTEAD of pointing out what Gov. Brown and others are trying to do and hold that up as the right way to proceed. YOU are a shoot from the hip ideologue and you cant even see it.
"the power has shifted" So unbelieveably simplistic in your analysis of why it has shifted. Its much more complicated then you seem to want to say. It has a lot to do with the ECONOMY. People are angry and confused and feeling helpless. In many cases the average person doesnt even know some of the facts. You can look at some of the answers to poll questions and observe how completely false the understandings are. WHY? Because some like Fox News are manipulating people to the point that the majority of Republicans believe Obama was born out of this country. They manipulate the middle class against the blue collar class all the while the Banks helped to bring our economy to its knees. If you cant understand how that has happened you are even more hopeless then i thought before.
Last edited by Havakasha; 02-25-2011 at 11:37 AM.
"No sorry i wont acknowledge what you are saying"
HA! Yet you accuse me of not acknowledging your points. So now you can stop with that $hit.
Bush, smush, ancient history my friend, and has nothing to do with today. Totally irrelevent to the conversation.
I haven't come to Walker's defense. At best, I said the plan "seems plausibe". Other than that, where have I come to his defense?
I am glad that you have asked yourself why it is what it is - it is polarized right now, and probably forever. It got that way for the reasons cited above. Sorry. Read my post on Brooks' The Battle. I think the guy is spot on.
Just wanted to get a snapshot of this before editKasha strikes again lol. I wanted to capture his view of the grand (complicated) conspiracy.Originally Posted by Havakasha
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