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  1. exilejeff is offline
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    04-07-2009, 04:09 PM #121
    Quote Originally Posted by asm610 View Post
    Native American people and culture have always fascinated me. They truly were in tune with the world and their place in it. Unfortunately, their way of life and their culture was attacked by those who didn't understand them and the "Church" in the name of god...when God would never have done them any harm!
    and i think that is called Paganism

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    04-07-2009, 04:11 PM #122
    Quote Originally Posted by exilejeff View Post
    and i think that is called Paganism
    Whats shocking exilejeff, is its similarities to the Babalonian and Sumerian mythos structures and concepts. Almost like, geee, I dont know, it all came from the same source. Hmm.... Maybe theres something to this bible after all...
    Myian pyramids are awfully similar to Egyptian pyramids, etc...
    I have a hunder examples....
    Asian myths too, they all have commonalities that cannot be explained geographically.

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    04-07-2009, 04:21 PM #123
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    Well, It might not be murder, but your definately interferring with a natural biological process, an athiest may say nothing more important than a skin cell splitting in two. I guess it would depend on your world view. If your asking what the biblical answer would be, I would think all sex should come into the context of potential reproduction consquences(not saying the calender method might not be gods little blessing for mankind) of the two committing the act. If your using a condomn and its breaks, I suppose you should just take your chances. Or you shouldnt be having sex in the first place.
    I have a friend that was Catholic and used the rhythm method and he had 5 kids in like 5 years......I don't think it's a very dependable family planning method.

    The ironic thing is that the girl I was dating at the time was a devout Catholic and she had no problem with sex or the morning after pill. She would come home from church and have sex with me. I would ask her if she would have to go to confession and what not for having sex with me and she said that God didn't care about that and that keeping her heart pure was more important. She was a very kind and sweet girl and had a lot of love in her heart...

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    04-07-2009, 04:26 PM #124
    Quote Originally Posted by Demian View Post
    I have a friend that was Catholic and used the rhythm method and he had 5 kids in like 5 years......I don't think it's a very dependable family planning method.

    The ironic thing is that the girl I was dating at the time was a devout Catholic and she had no problem with sex or the morning after pill. She would come home from church and have sex with me. I would ask her if she would have to go to confession and what not for having sex with me and she said that God didn't care about that and that keeping her heart pure was more important. She was a very kind and sweet girl and had a lot of love in her heart...
    Well your one example proves everything then. I have a perfect record with the method to date. And should work better than using a condom on a hot day. Must had a woman who didnt know her own body, or her cycle changed all the time. Not sure. But whatever, lol. Dont want to get into this interesting side note. So lets just say I gave you an answer that works. If you dont like it, then I dont know what to tell you. Im glad you met a catholic girl who liked to fool around. Thats a rare commodity

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    04-07-2009, 04:28 PM #125
    Quote Originally Posted by Demian View Post
    I have a friend that was Catholic and used the rhythm method and he had 5 kids in like 5 years......I don't think it's a very dependable family planning method.

    The ironic thing is that the girl I was dating at the time was a devout Catholic and she had no problem with sex or the morning after pill. She would come home from church and have sex with me. I would ask her if she would have to go to confession and what not for having sex with me and she said that God didn't care about that and that keeping her heart pure was more important. She was a very kind and sweet girl and had a lot of love in her heart...
    devout? to what? going to church every Sunday? or to the religious beliefs that go along with what she claims to follow?

    don't know what kind of catholic she is but im guessing she is coming up with a completely new one if she thinks God doesn't care about it, premarital sex and contraception

    i don't doubt she was a nice girl.........but devout in the catholic beliefs....i do

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    04-07-2009, 04:38 PM #126
    Quote Originally Posted by asm610 View Post
    Native American people and culture have always fascinated me. They truly were in tune with the world and their place in it. Unfortunately, their way of life and their culture was attacked by those who didn't understand them and the "Church" in the name of god...when God would never have done them any harm!
    Back when I was traveling across the US and Canada in a VW camper van all of those years, I spent a few weeks in North Dakota one summer. It was during the Sundance season and I observed several Sundances on different reservations. The indians were so kind to me and let me park my van on their land for as long as I wanted and would offer to share anything they had with me. They let me hang out and observe everything as long as I wanted and never tried to convert or "save" me....

    Those Sundance ceremonies are a trip. They dance around in the hot sun all day with no food or water praying for days. They pierce their skin and tie themselves with rope to this tree in the center and dance around all day in the burning hot sun. They also give flesh offerings. Little kids do to. It's their way of praying and practicing their faith. Some of it was really disturbing to me and hard to understand. They had this one ceremony where they boiled this little baby puppy dog and then they all lined up and the elders would eat some of it first and then hand out pieces of it to everyone.....it was viewed as sacred medicine.

    It was very disturbing and seemed quite barbaric to me, but I was struck by the kindness and purity of heart that everyone had. Everyone was so kind to me and never expected anything in return. They had an amazing sense of humor too and would have me laughing so hard. I did go into a few sweat lodges with them at their request and smoked the peace pipe with them...

    I left North Dakota very perplexed and confused but carried with me all of the kindness and warmth that everyone had shown me...
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    04-07-2009, 04:46 PM #127
    yeah ive been to south dakota, my uncle lived on a reservation out there, never seen anything that crazy, although it was quite beautiful out there in the summer.

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    04-07-2009, 04:57 PM #128
    ::watches the clock tick closer and closer to 5 O'clock, awaiting his liberation from the walls littered with thumbtacks, and the dual screened glow burned into his eyes::

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    04-07-2009, 04:59 PM #129
    One thing that I like about the Native American culture is that they have a lot of respect for nature and their elders. They don't discard older people and the wisdom that they possess the way the majority do in America...

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    04-07-2009, 05:00 PM #130
    Quote Originally Posted by exilejeff View Post
    ::watches the clock tick closer and closer to 5 O'clock, awaiting his liberation from the walls littered with thumbtacks, and the dual screened glow burned into his eyes::
    Very poetic...

    Do you ever write poetry? If you don't, you should........