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Originally Posted by LMaze
Costco my good "smartass" poster. Is where people who understand value go on there day off, cause it's a two hour and $200 adventure everytime. Sorry your trip to Burger King and Taco Bell daily, takes you away from such a fun time.:p:p
Cos 1000 takes exception to Charles and I maintaining SlackerActive. I brought the discussion here so that everyone who desires can participate.
Cos100 stated,
"Tyler, your defense of who slacker is and what they offer as competition to Satellite Radio is laughable… I would not expect you to burry your head in the sand. I would expect you to give “Full Disclosure” regarding your affiliations…
You have always provide timely information when reporting on Satellite Radio and all of its twists and turns.. You have on this site thrown in over the last year a couple of Slacker “promo” articles which have been justified by telling your readership that it was “In their best interest to know who the competition to SDARS was”…. fine. You never then, nor do you now in any disclosure let your Sat Rad readers, who come hear looking for information know, that you are also a Slacker Supporter with a site deriving “Click” revenue from that support… Or Am I Mistaken…
Get off your High Horse and get real about where your allegiances are, rather than try and debate me in my concerns regarding your agenda…. I call like I see it and I see that their has been some deception, whether intentional or not, in your bias……"
My reponse:
1. If you think Slacker is laughable, that is quite fine. Slacker brought some great XM people to their service upon launch, and has made a name for themselves with retailers such as Best Buy. While much smaller than satellite, they have some features that clean satellites clock.... Things that Sirius XM should be trying to emulate at some point.
2. Full disclosure of my affiliations has been known by many. The SlackerActive site links to all articles published here. There are links between both sites on both sites. I have spoken of it on my radio show, and disclosed it in articles as well as comments. If you missed that, I am sorry, but you can't blame me because you missed something. Look at this link and the comments for example: http://siriusbuzz.com/hands-on-with-...comment-page-1
- In fact, you commented in that very article, but now you act as if some HUGE revelation has happened. You are mistaken in your accisation that this was not disclosed prior.
From another article: http://siriusbuzz.com/slacker-on-bla...te-a-fight.php
"I recently downloaded the new Slacker application to my Blackberry, and have been playing around with it for a couple of days. The full review is available on SlackerActive."
Is that not clear? I state that I downlaoaded the app, and state that the full review of my experience is on Slacker Active
3. The Slacker Active site has a very nominal number of vistitors, and in fact, if the site breaks even I would be stunned!
4. If you call it like you see it, I would like you to make a call after reading the article above and seeing the comments to it, one of which was yours.
5. My "allegence" is not to any one company. If there is a good competing product out there, I will write about it. I may even make a site about it.
6. One reason that a separte site was started was so that all of the Slacker happening would not scatter the pages of a satellite radio site. Thus, you will see updates about Slacker there that do not make these pages.
7. Our site sponsor TSS radio has a site called Digital radio Central (http://www.digitalradiocentral.com/). A site dedicated to all forms of Digital Radio. A Satellite Radio retailer (and the best in my book), has a site that talks about other forms of audio entertainment. Do you question their alliegence?
In closing, I hope you will acknowledge that you have seen the disclosure and connection in the past. IOt was not being hidden, but it is not "heralded" either. To many people are to sensetive to other media being spoken about on this site, and so as not to offend those, I simply let both sites exist.
My comments were made on November 3, 2008 when I attempted to support your efforts at giving a full view of the playing field.... You comment today that "Many Knew" of the other site is nowhere in your responses back in November, 2008... Where was your disclosure then....when my comment was submitted.... A bit deceiving to say the least... Where is your disclosure of your site recently... not in your current article... smoke...
I find it interesting that when confronted in your articles comment section, you chose to take it here to make your case... fair enough... Guess as a reader and poster of this sight, you can take the debate to the forums whenever you like....
Doesn't change anything in my concern about you not being more up front with your affiliations... Even back in your November 2008, article, you failed to disclose anything more than being a fan of slacker and providing a link, never owning the affiliation.... Hey but who cares? Right? It is our responsibility as readers of this site or any other to do our own Due Diligence.... I thought that pertained more to the stocks discussed not the authors and site owners.... MY Bad....:(
Here's how I started it..... but, of course you only have to post my comments that suit you and paint Your Argument in the best light. Pathetic is what it is....
I Posted: "It is odd to me that on a Slacker Article, of which the author supports a site for, that Satellite Radio gets trashed by the posters…. very curious…."
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http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/8cff1...%3Fs%3D32&r=PG tsavery says:
May 15, 2009 at 7:25 pm
cos…..
Not sure how to take your post. Do you take exception to me or the commenters?
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http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/77de6...%3Fs%3D32&r=PG cos1000 says:
May 15, 2009 at 7:42 pm
Its not personal…. Its a perspective that I have of your article’s pointed attack at Sirius Xm Radio… You take liberty in announcing Slackers new innovation, while pointing out that Slacker is differentiating itself… It is you that are putting the two companies on the same playing field.. It is that… that I take exception too…
“Just as Sirius XM Radio is getting ready to launch their iPhone application, Slacker takes another step out in front to differentiate itself.”
As you have admitted, and I didn’t know until you did admit to it, you and Charles do maintain a Slacker Promotional Site, while being here writing articles as Siriusbuzz…
I also take exception to the posters under the Slacker Article innovation, taking direct shots at Sirius Xm Radio under the title of this wonderful Slacker Innovation. My Opinion, that’s all.
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http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/8cff1...%3Fs%3D32&r=PG tsavery says:
May 15, 2009 at 9:45 pm
cos…..
Slacker has been considered a part of the audio entertainment sector ever since they started. Their initial business model called for satellite updates of their receivers. Were you aware of that?
Slacker’s business model now sits in between terrestrial radio and satellite radio. It is a great service, and I am a Slacker subscriber. I encourage people to try differing things. Slacker at this point does not deliver talk, sports, etc., but they are great at delivering music.
Slacker has made it a point to try to remain innovative. In the Internet radio field I would classify them as the steepest competition for SDARS.
I am not going to burry my head in the sand and ignore what Slacker is, or what they have accomplished.
We link back and forth between the two sites, and the Slacker site has a section for Sirius XM news.
Many satellite radio subscribers use Slacker. Many use Apple devices. When Apple makes a new announcement, many satellite radio sites report it.
If you take exception to us being fans of a service such as Slacker, Blackberry’s, or iPods, I am sorry. It is topical.
Sites such as this and others cover the royalty issue for terrestrial radio, yet no one seems to take exception to that.
So, what is your point? Because I will be happy to sit here and address each and every concern you might have. Is it that people should disclose that they write on a website that is not actively promoted and made $0.54 last month? If so, that is your opinion and although I don't agree, its not arguable if that is how you feel. I have personally never been compensated by slacker for anything and I take Tyler at his word that he has not either.Quote:
Originally Posted by cos1000
Make sure you post your concerns on a point by point basis because I want to make sure that not one single thing is overlooked.
There is nothing "interesting" about it...your "comments" were no longer "comments" and against the clear rules we have listed on the page. It has always been my personal goal to never reply to a reader comment but that is something Tyler and I differ on.Quote:
Originally Posted by cos1000
I think its awesome that you are on this witch hunt because IMHO what you are aggravated about could not possibly be more trivial.
Cos.....Quote:
Originally Posted by cos1000
Did you read my comment in the November article?
"I have written and spoken about Slacker many times. It is a service that I have embraced and use. It is a service that many satellite radio customers use.
I did the full review on Slacker Active. This article linked there.
My review of the product is not influenced by the fact that they sent a player.
I will be reviewing the XMP3 player shortly. It is being sent by TSS-Radio, and I will be returning the unit after the review.
The point is that even a demo unit that is returned would be fine by me. I want to do reviews on all of the products, but this site simply can not go out and buy them all.
Every review I have ever done on a Sirius or XM product has never been supplied by Siriuys or XM.
I wish satellite radio would do some of the things Slacker has done. If they did, they would be better than they are.
There is no “lesson” I can teach Sirius XM. they do things their own way, and that is life. Slacker, Logitech, Ultimate ears understand the value in getting reviews from grass roots sites such as this.
If you guys can not handle a review of a GOOD PRODUCT that walks in a similar circle as Sirius XM, then I would suggest that you not visit the site.
I write about HD Radio, terrestrial radio, satellite radio, iPhones, zunes, and other products as well. Why all of the hostility towards Slacker."
1. It was disclosed in the very comments of the November article, as well as in the article itself in the form of "I received the Slacke....The full review is on Slacker Active"
2. Your comment was submitted AFTER mine. Mine was submitted November 3, 2008 at 5:48 pm. Yours was submitted November 3 at 10:17 PM, 4.5 hours later.
3. Where is the deception? Did you not see BOTH articles that I linked to? The relationship is quite clear.
4. You say, "I find it interesting that when confronted in your articles comment section, you chose to take it here to make your case... fair enough... Guess as a reader and poster of this sight, you can take the debate to the forums whenever you like...."
What is wrong with that? You obviously have a hair across your butt on this, and it was obvious that it would involve a full discussion. Given that a full discussion was likely, the forums make the most sense for that dialogue. The link to the forum is in the article, and it is easy to follow. Does this not make sense for some reason?
5. Perhaps your upset, but in the end, the ties are there for you and anyone else to see. I again ask you to read the articles I quoted and their comments.
6. I have mentioned that I have Slacker Active on my radio show as well. Somehow though, it seems that you want a front page billboard about a Slacker site that is no more than a place to put the Slacker news that is happening so that readers like you don't get all bent out of shape when we write something about Slacker here. Revenue on that site is non-existant! It costs more to maintain it than the site generates, yet you are going to call my integrity into question. Come on Cos, and let me be frank, you are smarter than that! What exactly would my motive be? To lose money? Think about this for a second. The site has mad NO MONEY! We keep it up to follow a service we both like, and to facilitate keeping this site clear of long Slacker articles. If people want more detail, they can go to the other site and look. It is quite simple.
This site has taken great lengths to keep as many people happy as possible. We get people who thisnk the content is to detailed as well as people who say it is not detailed enough. Some people want to hear about the content on SDARS, others do not. Some people want To know about the slackers and pandoras of the world. Others don't.
I ask you again to read this - "I recently downloaded the new Slacker application to my Blackberry, and have been playing around with it for a couple of days. The full review is available on SlackerActive." Is that not clear?
Slacker has never paid me. I have gotten to keep the items I reviewed for them, just as Logitech allowed me to keep the Squeezebox that allows Sirius, Pandora, Slacker, etc. Ultimate Ears gave me a set of headphones to review, and I use them to this day. TSS gave me an S50 to review which I also got to keep.Quote:
Originally Posted by SiriusBuzz
A few pieces of hardware.....yes. Payment..... NOPE
I love how this all stems from someone who can't believe that Slacker could actually be a competitor and that anyone might just happen to like the service because it is actually good.
todays weather here, suns setting now its 6:37 pm
and the normal flu is going around, along with a bunch of newly reported cases today (17) of the bird flu, which has been here since 2006.
one of which was reported as being avian/Chinese pig. not sure what the hell that one means.
i dont think much of this makes the outside news services but currently in some areas here pigs,cats,dogs,and birds are being put down...and transportation of any birds are under restriction in certain areas which raise poultry.
3 PM Clear 103°
6 PM Clear 99°
Cos....Quote:
Originally Posted by cos1000
You state, "Here's how I started it..... but, of course you only have to post my comments that suit you and paint Your Argument in the best light. Pathetic is what it is...."
There is no intent on hiding any of the information. People can read the comments on the article and the balance here. Now you act as if there is some malicious intent on my part. Funny, you are the one insinuating malicious intent by saying that i have a "pay per click" website and that my motivation is to make money. The Slackeractive site has been up for 18 MONTHS, and has made us NOTHING. Thus, the question at this point is what is my motivation?
You are on a witch hunt for some reason, and it is a selective witch hunt at that. You don't call into questin discussion anything about terrestrial radio royalties. You don't call into question people offering stock advice without disclosing that they are not a financial advisor at every turn (which is what you seem to want from me). You don't call into question trades made by writers without disclosure. Instead, you say that I have a motive to make money from a sister site when in fact that site makes none, and never has in 18 months.
I point out to you several places where the assocation between the two sites has been disclesed and discussed, yet you sudenly get silent. Perhaps you had forgotten about the comments on the November article. Perhaps you did not read the other previous articles. If that is the case, that is fine. However, to state that this was NEVER disclosed is a gross error on your part, and one that you do not seem to want to acknowledge.
Cos1000....I respect your participation here, and value the insight you bring to the board. I would love for that participation to continue, but that is your choice. There is nothing to hide, and this was established by previous articles, comments, and radio broadcasts.
Do I think slacker competes with SDARS. Yes, in certain ways. However, there are aspect of SDARS that Slacker can not touch at this point, all of which has been discussed in great detail in the past.
One last point COS......
http://siriusbuzz.com/slacker-dj-search-launches.php
the last paragraph tells it all -
"Slacker is indeed getting active, and while we love to cover Slacker here at Sirius Buzz, and will continue to follow developments. We have a huge announcement to make for Slacker fans. SlackerActive.com will be the place for Active Slackers to get the latest and greatest news surrounding Slacker. Join us on Slacker Active where you can “Go Ahead And Slack…We’ve Got You Covered”."
The disclosure was there FROM THE BEGINNING
I was in hopes that Cos would have researched a bit deeper, and I gave him every opportunity to do just that. He jumped to a conclusion and ran with it, and there is always a danger of embarrassment when you do that.
It is my hope that Cos is simply having a busy weekend, and has not yet had a chance to look deeper and/or respond. As I have always stated, he is welcomed here at any time.
When Charles and I launched SlackerActive, we announced it on this site.
http://siriusbuzz.com/slacker-dj-search-launches.php
Accusations that we hid SlackerActive are not only unfounded and nonfactual, but appear to be an attempt to damage this site. If those leveling such accusations would have spent a few minutes researching, they would have seen that the affiliation of Charles and I to SlackerActive was announced FROM THE BEGINNING.
COS, I hope you will step up to the plate and acknowledge this.
whole lot of hoping going on
LOL.....Just like investors in this sector have been dealing with for a couple of years now.Quote:
Originally Posted by trippingthespeculatingpos
On February 16, 2009, when SIRI Investors were worried that their investment in SXM was going to go to $0, Charles decided to run this little gem....
http://siriusbuzz.com/giveaway-slacker-g2-mega-prize-pack.php/comment-page-1#comments
Show me anywhere in this article or in the comment section where a disclosure regarding SlackerActive.com is located. Even after other posters made comments that appeared offended by the timing and I made this post in reponse, Charles disclosed nothing of the other site.
My post then: Feb. 16th, 2009
"Friggin,
I absolutely agree with you, timing is everything, and right now people who have been loyal to the site are anxiously awaiting news determining whether their investment in Sirius Xm will go to zero or not. Charles thinks this is the time to talk about renegotiating Sirius Content contracts which would require a Chapter 11. Nice timing there too. Now its time for Charles to give away a competitor’s product while significant events are going on relating to the name sake company of his site. Its like going to SaveSirius.com thinking your going to a site that actually gives a shit about what happens to Sirius Xm Satellite Radio. Nice job Charles"
Now I think that post would have been a good time for Charles to tell us about the other site.... Don't You?
On January 18, 2008, 16 months ago, before most who are here now, including myself, you announced the SlackerActive.com site. My point in my comments was to state that "whether intentional or not, it is misleading"...
Here's my post:
"I call like I see it and I see that their has been some deception, whether intentional or not, in your bias……"
As far as all your other comments regarding my intentions, I already said it wasn't personal... I said that I felt it misleading. I have said that in the past when other Slacker Articles were posted. Even with some having the very worst of timing.... almost inciting in nature. As far as whether you make money or not on this other site, that is irrelevant to the discussion... just good or bad business IMHO...
With your long list of what I have or haven't objected too in the past regarding other issues, or authors, I don't see how that is relevant to this discussion.... They seem to be more your issues than mine... Again more deflective than anything else.
What I will say is that your linking back to SlackerActive.com in your article means little to me or any other reader, if we didn't get the announcement 16 Months ago... or even when Charles had the opportunity back on Feb 16th of this year... So now I know.... doesn't change my opinion because I do not consider a Link back a disclosure... Again my bad...
Well I did have a good weekend.... and must say I am quite disappointed in your attempt to discredit my concerns by calling my comments and concerns a "witch hunt"... this could have been handled in many different ways but, you chose to handle it in this way... Saying you respect my opinions is again laughable... and insincere...
I will step up to the plate and retract my saying that "You Never" gave a disclosure about the other site.... You gave a disclosure, and made an announcement in the link provided, which is "16 months old" and then thought in the linking back to that site in your recent article that I or other readers would understand that do be your disclosure. Okay. That is at least more than Charles did in his "Slacker Giveaway Article" on Feb 16, 2009, when this site's readers were awaiting a decision on BK for SXM.
I still think that it is important that all readers know what the intentions of authors might be... It is clear that this site is called SiriusBuzz and most come to find out what it going on with Sirius Xm Radio, and as you say it's competitors. When one of those competitors is a company that your maintain a Separate Site for, disseminating information, and promoting products, that it is imperative that "ALL OF YOUR READERS KNOW THIS"..... that was my point. An article announcement 16 months old, articles by Charles giving product away, or any other such content should contain a clear affiliation statement.... JMVHO
Cos.....Quote:
Originally Posted by cos1000
You started this with your insinuation in the post. I asked you a simple question, and you went on to attack my credibility and itegrity by stating that we have a "click" for revenue site and did not disclose that.
I gave you multiple instances where the disclosure was offered up, and still you attacked our credibility as if we are profiting from the existance of Slacker Active. Now that you understand that the site makes no money you change the tune of what you assign as a motive.
You say things could have been handled differently. You are correct. you could have avoided the basesless and factless accusations in the first place, or at least checked for facts first. Had you done that, we would not be where we are.
If someone is going to attack my credibilty or intentions, I am going to call them out on it. Should I just let baseless accusations go unanswered? Think about what you did, how you went about it, and how you did so without bothering to check anything first.
Do you have affiliation with any other site? Have you disclosed that here?
Given what has transpired, and knowing the rumors and insinuations that have been made about SiriusBuzz as well as Charles and I personally, it should come as no surprise that what appears to be a financial supporter of another site leveling baseless accusations out of the blue would come across in a certain light. If I have that wrong, I will certainly correct the record.
You want this site to be sensetive to the timing of where Sirius XM is at the moment and bury other news? GET REAL. Other companies such as Slacker, HD Radio, and Even Apple all try to upstage each other. Do you think it is a coincidence that the Sony X-Series is shipping in mid June when Apple has their next big shin dig? Think deeper. Companies are competing, and you want us to ignore the news that happens in the sector because it is bad timing for sirius XM? What type of credibility would a site have if it ignored those things? You can't ignore what is happening because the timing is bad.
I understand that you said, "it is not personal", but you leveled accusations that call into question our integrity and motives with no basis in fact. That gets personal.
Bravo, Tyler. Well stated.
I forgot this little guy, perfect for this occasion. :clap:
Why this witch hunt is being entertained is beyond me. People write all over the net for all kinds of things that honestly interest them and people don't disclose a long list of websites which they write for because it doesn't make a damn bit of difference.
Me saying that alone is already me saying too much because nothing is going to change your warped mind. Not even the disclosure Nazis that are seeking alpha require you to disclose what websites you write for (and for good reason, its just not common practice). It was never my intention to hide anything, I just knew that it was never even close to relevant and it had no bearing on anything I ever wrote about. You have your opinion and it is what it is, I am not sorry and don't see any issue so, we will just have to agree to disagree.
BTW most people don't disclose every single website they own or write for, its just not how the net works. I hope that doesn't scare you too much.
I have to agree whole-heartedly with your comments here Cos. I also questioned this site about all the promo work they seemed to be doing with regard to Slacker. I was told that they were trying to "keep us informed" about the competition to Sirius. While I do not think they are direct competitors due to lack of content, I gave them their space. Knowing now that they run another click-supported site for Slacker, it all makes sense. They are using the hits on this site to drive traffic to the other. At no time did they EVER disclose to me that they ran another site promoting Slacker. Very disingenuous.Quote:
Originally Posted by cos1000
This site is losing a lot of credibility in my eyes. If nothing else, there should be an area of the site laing out your affiliations for full disclosure. Also love how you closed off comments on the article in question to drive people to the forums
These guys have no idea about what they are talking about and that is clear.
Not that it matters but did you guys mis the part where they said that the site made $0.54 last month? What a joke, go do some research about the traffic going to each of the sites and take a look at the total number of posts, you are really questioning their intentions? You guys are either morons or simply too ignorant to decipher the picture.
Actually, if you noticed they are using the other site to drive traffic away from slacker and to siriusbuzz. Or did you miss the links to the top 5 newest articles right on slackeractive? Do you see the top 5 articles n slackeractive listed on siriusbuzz? Holy crap you guys are dumb.Quote:
Originally Posted by jmm232
They arent "promoting" slacker they are reporting on it.
Your name says it all. You ever think they are using THIS site to try to drive traffic to the OTHER site?? Now all the Slacker articles and promo work make sense. $.54 or $5400 last month is not the point. Not disclosing that they have some connection to Slacker (via another site) is EVERY article pertaining to Slacker is disingenuous. Ignoring that is missing the big picture.Quote:
Originally Posted by clueless
So on this other site that I will not bother to visit, do they also from time to time promote Sirius? My guess would be no.