5 Myths about President Obama

[SiriuslyLong]

Do you believe that Teddy Roosevelt was a Marxist and didnt believe in Capitalism?


"But Roosevelt also knew that the free market has never been a free license to take whatever you want from whoever you can. It only works when there are rules of the road to ensure that competition is fair, open, and honest. And so he busted up monopolies, forcing those companies to compete for customers with better services and better prices. And today, they still must. He fought to make sure businesses couldn’t profit by exploiting children, or selling food or medicine that wasn’t safe. And today, they still can’t.

In 1910, Teddy Roosevelt came here, to Osawatomie, and laid out his vision for what he called a New Nationalism. “Our country,” he said, “…means nothing unless it means the triumph of a real democracy…of an economic system under which each man shall be guaranteed the opportunity to show the best that there is in him.”

For this, Roosevelt was called a radical, a socialist, even a communist. But today, we are a richer nation and a stronger democracy because of what he fought for in his last campaign: an eight hour work day and a minimum wage for women; insurance for the unemployed, the elderly, and those with disabilities; political reform and a progressive income tax."

Wow, all of a sudden Hava-gava-kasha CAN click a link.

Teddy Roosevelt started OUR welfare state.

[SiriuslyLong]

Now, just as there was in Teddy Roosevelt’s time, there’s been a certain crowd in Washington for the last few decades who respond to this economic challenge with the same old tune. “The market will take care of everything,” they tell us. If only we cut more regulations and cut more taxes - especially for the wealthy - our economy will grow stronger. Sure, there will be winners and losers. But if the winners do really well, jobs and prosperity will eventually trickle down to everyone else. And even if prosperity doesn’t trickle down, they argue, that’s the price of liberty.

What he said was TRICKLE DOWN ECONOMICS does not work and never has. The Bush administration proved it again most recently.

It doesn’t work. It’s never worked

It really depends on what you think "it" is? Hate to Clinton on you, but the topic he was speaking of is free market capitalism. That's why I included so much dialogue before the statement directly above - hoped you would comprehend it.

Funny how you believe and Obama say free market capitalism is what made America great, BUT..................

[Havakasha]

I think this is a perfect demonstration of why SiriuslyWrong has been taken in by Peter Schiff.
is it not perfectly clear that he has the worst reading comprehension skill set of anyone you know?

I think you know very well what he was saying. No misinterpretation by your right wing friends can change that. Good try.

This is the kind of thing which makes people very cynical.

I asked you a question. Do you think Teddy Rosevelt believed in Marxism and opposed Capitalism? You can answer now please

[SiriuslyLong]

It doesn’t work. It’s never worked

It really depends on what you think "it" is? Hate to Clinton on you, but the topic he was speaking of is free market capitalism. That's why I included so much dialogue before the statement directly above - hoped you would comprehend it.

Funny how you believe and Obama say free market capitalism is what made America great, BUT..................

According to Hava-gafa-kasha, "it" is trickle down economics and not free market capitalism. Sad his reading comprehension is too low, that or his ideology is too rigid. I think they are both the cause.

[Havakasha]

If thats YOUR level of reading comprehension after reading that speech then i got some swamp land i want to sell you. Wow. Thats certifiable.
Believe what you want. You are certainly used to ignoring the truth.


Do you think that Teddy Roosevelt was a Marxist and opposed to Capitalism? Hello?

[SiriuslyLong]

Here, right out of the transcript.

....."He believed then what we know is true today: that the free market is the greatest force for economic progress in human history. It’s led to a prosperity and standard of living unmatched by the rest of the world.

But Roosevelt also knew that the free market has never been a free license to take whatever you want from whoever you can. It only works when there are rules of the road to ensure that competition is fair, open, and honest. And so he busted up monopolies, forcing those companies to compete for customers with better services and better prices. And today, they still must. He fought to make sure businesses couldn’t profit by exploiting children, or selling food or medicine that wasn’t safe. And today, they still can’t.

In 1910, Teddy Roosevelt came here, to Osawatomie, and laid out his vision for what he called a New Nationalism. “Our country,” he said, “…means nothing unless it means the triumph of a real democracy…of an economic system under which each man shall be guaranteed the opportunity to show the best that there is in him.”

For this, Roosevelt was called a radical, a socialist, even a communist. But today, we are a richer nation and a stronger democracy because of what he fought for in his last campaign: an eight hour work day and a minimum wage for women; insurance for the unemployed, the elderly, and those with disabilities; political reform and a progressive income tax.

Today, over one hundred years later, our economy has gone through another transformation. Over the last few decades, huge advances in technology have allowed businesses to do more with less, and made it easier for them to set up shop and hire workers anywhere in the world. And many of you know firsthand the painful disruptions this has caused for a lot of Americans.

Factories where people thought they would retire suddenly picked up and went overseas, where the workers were cheaper. Steel mills that needed 1,000 employees are now able to do the same work with 100, so that layoffs were too often permanent, not just a temporary part of the business cycle. These changes didn’t just affect blue-collar workers. If you were a bank teller or a phone operator or a travel agent, you saw many in your profession replaced by ATMs or the internet. Today, even higher-skilled jobs like accountants and middle management can be outsourced to countries like China and India. And if you’re someone whose job can be done cheaper by a computer or someone in another country, you don’t have a lot of leverage with your employer when it comes to asking for better wages and benefits - especially since fewer Americans today are part of a union.

Now, just as there was in Teddy Roosevelt’s time, there’s been a certain crowd in Washington for the last few decades who respond to this economic challenge with the same old tune. “The market will take care of everything,” they tell us. If only we cut more regulations and cut more taxes - especially for the wealthy - our economy will grow stronger. Sure, there will be winners and losers. But if the winners do really well, jobs and prosperity will eventually trickle down to everyone else. And even if prosperity doesn’t trickle down, they argue, that’s the price of liberty.

It’s a simple theory - one that speaks to our rugged individualism and healthy skepticism of too much government. It fits well on a bumper sticker. Here’s the problem: It doesn’t work. It’s never worked. It didn’t work when it was tried in the decade before the Great Depression. It’s not what led to the incredible post-war boom of the 50s and 60s. And it didn’t work when we tried it during the last decade."

There you go.

There it is again. The subject is free market capitalism which earlier today you said made America great.

It's there in black and white. You cannot hide you pro free market capitalist.

[Havakasha]

Do you believe Teddy Roosevelt was a Marxist and was opposed to Capitalism?

[SiriuslyLong]

Do you believe Teddy Roosevelt was a Marxist and was opposed to Capitalism?

No.

Nor do I believe as many right wing outlets would claim, that America's corporate tax rate is the highest of any nation.

[Havakasha]

Wow. It only took me asking you a half dozen times to get you to answer.

Based on what you said about Obama regarding his speedh and Teddy Roosevelt and the origins of the welfare system i think you actually do believe Teddy Roosevelt is a socialist. I just think you know it would leave you open to some embarassing evidence about your true beliefs.

Glad to hear you dont buy into ever right wing talking point.