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[john]

Well sorry S&L if i have you pegged wrongly. It just seemed like a lot of your comments including ones about the immigration bill and especially the comments about Obama come straight from the Republican playbook.

Greece is important but so are many other things.
My point again was simply that you needed stimulus to grow us out of a deep hole.
You have to sometimes spend money in the present to achieve savings in the long term. The CBO (non-partisan congressional budget office)for instance says the health care bill that just passed will save us trillion s of dollars over 20 years.
Taxing gasoline now and investing in alternative energy now has the potential to save us money years from now. Sometimes you have to invest and spend money. It cant always be tax cuts, tax cuts, tax cuts. Way too simplistic and really not sustainable for the long term. Kind of like "drill baby drill".

Once again Havasuker forgets to mention the CBO can only score what they are told to score BY both ruling parties. Garbage in means garbage out. The news is out Havasucker and the news from everyone now says the healthcare reforem bill will cost way more then estimated and will drive up healthcare insurance and taxes.

Here Havasucker is a unbias ruling even you cant denie is unbias and un fetered.


http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/200...with-bill.html

[john]

So i quess you oppose social security, medicare and medicaid? LOL.

"Capitalism will survive this administration" He is a fool for saying such hyperbolic NONSENSE. We have never had a completely unfettered capitalistic system. If WE LEARNED ANYTHING OUT OF THIS PRESENT FINANCIAL MESS IT IS THAT LACK OF GOVT REGULATION LEADS TO DISASTER. .

Stop making Govt out to be all evil. We need a balance of Govt and private enterprise.

Everytime you open your mouth you somehow spout another Republican talking points so i dont understand how you distanced yourself from the Republican Party.

Yes I oppose them all. They should not have been started in the first place. Lets also remember that when they were started it was ment as a stop gap for a very few. That has now ballooned into people depending on it for their well being. Lets also remember, ALL THE MONEY gos into those, is MONEY ALMOST ALL OF US ALREADY PAID IN. Yes I also believe that the government should have let the people decide weather or not they wanted to let the government take control of their own money THEY PUT IN or if they felt better doing it themselves. The whole system is a shame that should have never been started in the first place.

So the question Havasucker should be; Do you oppose putting money into a system (social security, medicare and medicaid) you will have to later depend on the government to manage well enough that it will be there later.

Dumbass that is a stupid question in the first place the same people you are now asking PUT THEIR OWN MONEY IN. Dont you think if they did they should get it back with interest.


Dumbass regulation on Fanny and Freddy was what cuased the mess in the first place.


Has I have said common sence and logic is what makes a conservative a conservative it is not the other way around. That is why you never make sense to normal people Havasucker.


So Havasucker why dont you ask if anyone just starting out lets say 20 years old if they would rather pay into social security, and medicare or if they would rather have that money themselves to invest in in their own retirement. I think you will find the poll will be well well infavor of getting rid of social security, and medicare. The point is dont ask someone that has already put a shit load of their own money into a system if they think it is ok not to get it back out. Or does that make to much common sense for your liberial brain to handle.

[SiriuslyLong]

Whoa, John finally entered the room with guns ablazing.

Let's see this for what it is, Greece today is a case study of the inevitability of big government. The "entitled" are now rioting. What else is there to talk about?

[Havakasha]

Im confused. i thought i had read on several ocassions that Mr. Socialism, Communism, dumbass, twit had said he had no need to engage in the political thread because he had won all the arguments already. LOL.

Consistency and truthfulness were never his strong suit.
Guns had blanks S&L.

[SiriuslyLong]

Im confused. i thought i had read on several ocassions that Mr. Socialism, Communism, dumbass, twit had said he had no need to engage in the political thread because he had won all the arguments already. LOL.

Consistency and truthfulness were never his strong suit.
Guns had blanks S&L.

Well, I'm shooting blanks too, but that's another topic lol.

I think you agree that this is scary. Very scary.

[Havakasha]

Absolutely agree that everything thats been happening with the world financial crisis is quite scary.

Scary as well that a gun toter like yourself shoots blanks in all parts of your life. . I think you've been hanging out with John for too long. lol.
Watch out or the NRA is going to take away your membership!

P.S. Did you read the 2 articles i posted in the political thread on Greece and Europe? Pretty interesting i thought.

[john]

Im confused. i thought i had read on several ocassions that Mr. Socialism, Communism, dumbass, twit had said he had no need to engage in the political thread because he had won all the arguments already. LOL.

Consistency and truthfulness were never his strong suit.
Guns had blanks S&L.

I only came because of SiriuslyLong that twit (sorry SiriuslyLong) gave you substance to a forum to spread your lies again. He made it worse by actually starting the thread (which means even more we view it). I said what I said before because as long as I stay off your threads they would go nowhere and few would even want to see them. SiriuslyLong has said he does not get into politics that much and I can see that from him letting you get away with the lies I just showed you did. If there is something I can not stand is someone with many of the same views I have, NOT calling out the lies you tell. That is much much worse then you just spouting out to spout out. It looks like your points have some kind of ground under them when he does not call you out on all the lies you tell.

[SiriuslyLong]

I only came because of SiriuslyLong that twit (sorry SiriuslyLong) gave you substance to a forum to spread your lies again. He made it worse by actually starting the thread (which means even more we view it). I said what I said before because as long as I stay off your threads they would go nowhere and few would even want to see them. SiriuslyLong has said he does not get into politics that much and I can see that from him letting you get away with the lies I just showed you did. If there is something I can not stand is someone with many of the same views I have, NOT calling out the lies you tell. That is much much worse then you just spouting out to spout out. It looks like your points have some kind of ground under them when he does not call you out on all the lies you tell.

Don't worry John, all Havakasha does is blame Bush and the republicans. I'm not going to argue about that because its history. Arguing history? Hmmmm. We need to focus on the here and now. Forget about the past, we can't change it. So when Havakasha dwells on it (factually correct or not), it doesn't mean anything. See what I'm saying John (you twit)?

BTW, I don't own any guns.

[john]

Don't worry John, all Havakasha does is blame Bush and the republicans. I'm not going to argue about that because its history. Arguing history? Hmmmm. We need to focus on the here and now. Forget about the past, we can't change it. So when Havakasha dwells on it (factually correct or not), it doesn't mean anything. See what I'm saying John (you twit)?

BTW, I don't own any guns.

Yes I do but you have to think not of yourself or me but people that come to see the thread. You have seen the examples I have given to you about the level of intelligence some have. So when they read Havasucker comments and then dont see anyone disagree or show the proof or logical statements, they naturally assume them to be true. I dont and now never argued with Havasucker for his sake. He is a lost cause, otherwise logic and common sense would have made him realize that already. I do it so others dont get pulled into his web. I reallized (and yes Charles told me long ago) if that is the case then just dont bother with him, that a very few would read his stuff if you did not comment on it with him.

Now as for Bush, he also spent to much and the republicans in the congress went along with it. What Havasucker does not understand is that is a big reason why they were tossed out. If he did, he would have known what I have told him long ago, that not only will republicans take control back but the ones that do will be running on a more conservative platform then ever before. Well, well what is now happening (I must have ESP) because exactly what I told him over a year ago is now happening.

As for what you said before I am a very very conservative person and while I dont agree with abortion. I also dont mind people that do. BUT FOR GOD SAKE IF THEY DO THEN THEY BETTER BE FOR THE DEATH PENALTY ALSO. What pisses me off, are the ones that are for abortion but are against the death penalty. WHY is that, BECAUSE IT MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE WHAT SO EVER. (kill the innocent, save the killers (even the ones who planned it out by the way)). I have no proplem with people who believe:

1) For abortion, for the death penalty.

REASON: If you dont give a rats ass about an innocent baby then you really should not give a rats ass about a killer.


2) Against abortion, against the dealth penalty.

REASON: You care about all life reguardless.


3) Against abortion, for the death penalty.

REASON: One is innocent and not proven to be bad YET, the other has proven himself top be a parasite to humanity and commited the ultimate crime and taken another life.



But this is what most liberials believe.

For abortion, against the death penalty.

There is no reasoning behind this: Kill the innocent, and save the proven killers.

With logic like that does anyone have any questions why liberials are so easy to beat in every arguement, and why I call them twits.

[Havakasha]

S&L i know you dont own any guns. You already said once before you didnt own guns. My comment about the NRA was a joke.

You may think the past is unimportant but.. "Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it"

i have no problem talking about the present but facts are facts and the past has had a profound effect on why we are here today in these circumstances. Its kind of obvious dont you think?
As i said before if you would drop all the Republican talking points which
blame Obama for ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING then we can have a serious conversation.