Hear it straight from the horses ass, I mean mouth

[john]

John you are right help make the poeple open there eyes.

Boat I dont do it for those three dumbass twits. It is clear that even after seeing the facts and me being proven correct time and time again by those facts, that they will never believe anything but what their ideology says they should. I do it for the few that might come to this thread subject and see what Havasucker and his ilk has put up and start believing in it. I know that seems like it could not happen, people have common sence but then how do you explain those three and people like them. Here is a clear example, I live in Michigan and after 6 years of Granholm's tax hikes and moving businesses out of the state, That woman (and the unions) was directly responsible for not getting Toyota into MI. After all that, Michigan still went for a even more liberial man then her for President.

[candleman]

Boat I dont do it for those three dumbass twits. It is clear that even after seeing the facts and me being proven correct time and time again by those facts, that they will never believe anything but what their ideology says they should. I do it for the few that might come to this thread subject and see what Havasucker and his ilk has put up and start believing in it. I know that seems like it could not happen, people have common sence but then how do you explain those three and people like them. Here is a clear example, I live in Michigan and after 6 years of Granholm's tax hikes and moving businesses out of the state, That woman (and the unions) was directly responsible for not getting Toyota into MI. After all that, Michigan still went for a even more liberial man then her for President.

John, you have never proven anything to me. Never, not one thing. You show no facts, just opinions from people that you think are right. Any American that would rather live under the leadership of the President of France is just a fruitcake. And that's what you are.

But even us true Conservatives love fruitcakes. So, have a wonderful and blessed Christmas. May the love of Christ shine in your life. And may you see the light in the coming New Year.

Chuck

[Boat]

MR CANDLEMAN THESE PEOPLE IN OFFICE COUNT ON YOUR PATRIOTISM TO CONTROL YOU. YOU HAVE TO READ peoples history OF THE U.S. BY HOWARD ZINN CHAPTER 23 THE COMING REVOLT OF THE GUARDS p631. IF YOU TYPE IN THE NAME HOWARD ZINN IT WILL COME UP AND YOU CAN READ FOR YOURSELF. IT IS A SAD THING BUT IT IS TRUE.

[Boat]

One more thing i don't know if you read my past threads,but also look into the site oath keepers. The goverment is worried about this group only because we are starting to understand and we are not suppost to know.we are suppost to be kept in the dark. The truth is starting to come out.

[john]

The little i've read tells me he understands matters better that you.

You see, look at Adumbical, Even after seeing common sence and the most basic logic he still doesn't get it and he never will.

Once again I will give you an example of how common sence works for most and how it doesn't for a few others:


It would be like me saying hybrids still make no sence after Havasucker were to show me a Prius that only cost 1,500 more then a gas comparitive (he has not yet). That would clearly put me in the class of being a ideological twit. Because common sense says that it would then only take about 3.5 years to make up for the extra cost and that clearly makes the car economical. To argue that point any further would make me look stupid. THATS WHY YOU DONT SEE ME ARGUING POINTS LIKE THAT, but they do. As an example of that:


Look at what Havasucker has said about what the UKs MET office said: That according to their data this is going to be the warmest decade in recorded history. Ok, until you look at their data and see that they are still using the same data NASA had been found to be incorrect about (yes by a skeptic mind you) and latter change their own data.

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"Four of the top 10 are now from the 1930s: 1934, 1931, 1938 and 1939, while only 3 of the top 10 are from the last 10 years (1998, 2006, 1999)," he wrote.

"Several years (2000, 2002, 2003, 2004) fell well down the leaderboard, behind even 1900."

The Goddard Institute claimed that the cause of the error was a switch to a new data-collection system in 2000. This led to an incorrect assumption that the old and new methods matched, which was proved to be untrue.

According to latest figures, 1934 is now the hottest year on record in the US at 1.25C higher than normal. 1998, the previous front-runner, is now second at 1.23C, followed by 1921 at 1.15C"

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Then we get this:

OMG!, "UK Climate Scientists Accused Of Manipulating Russian Temperature Data"

http://www.qando.net/?p=6177

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/1...mest-stations/


So now after that how can anyone argue the point anymore.

[Boat]

I've said my piece.i am sorry for butting into your discussion with john.good luck and have a nice christmas and i hope a happy new year.

[Boat]

I hear you john and i agree. What i have found out is that people don't want to believe what goes against what has been instill in them all of there lives. They are not free thinkers.

[john]

Wow man, this is just crazy talk. You people that don't believe in America just amaze me. There are SO many good Conservative Amerians. But, what you and John are talking about is Not Conservative. It is purely paranoid anti-American thinking. Good mainstream Americans will never follow your sort of rhetoric. We know that our country is given the chance to change through Democracy every two years during our Federal Elections. You folks seem to want to overthrow and or disrespect our Elected Government and that is just not patriotic.

My point to John is that We are at war. And he should not continually be attacking our President during this time of war. It's just that simple.

It is very patriotic and very American to disagree with the President. But, it needs to be done in a more polite and rational manner.

It's just fine that you and John think that the President's policies on Cap and Trade are wrong. I have no argument with you for feeling that way and expressing those thoughts. But, John called the President a horse's ass. That is attacking the Leader of our Armed Forces at a time of war in an unacceptable manner. That's my only point with John. Just treat the office of the President with more respect.

We'll have a new President in a few years. Democracy and Freedom will not change. If we don't treat this President with respect, how can we expect the opposition to respect the President that the Conservatives will elect?

It's just a matter of respect for the office at a time of war. It's just that simple.

Hey Dumbass, people dont have to follow anything but pure logic and common sense and they are that is why 44% would now rather have Bush back then Obama after less then 1 year of Obama. My objective is to make sure that after 2 years as many people as possible dont get hoodwinked like they did in the last election. I am sure there are a few more then before, that now heard for themselves Obama in his own voice say "White folks greed runs a world in need" I'll bet you never knew Obama said that before (I know because even after hearing it with your own ears you could not believe it. You dont have to me or that audio I link to, just get his book on tape). Is hearing that kind of crap come out of Obamas own mouth "purely paranoid anti-American thinking"?


We have been at war for several years now but I have yet to see one link from you critizing ALL and there are many things said about BUSH (and our troops) by not only regular people but by democrats (including Obama) in the house and senate, not to mention Al Gore or Carter (you know the former Vice President and President). I am sorry I missed the link you had to when you called out the New York Times for putting out "General betrayus".



STILL WAITING FOR THOSE MANY LINKS TO THE TIMES YOU CRITIZED OTHERS FOR BASHING BUSH AND THE TROOPS, You must have a shit load of them so come on just give me a few of them.


I think I will be waiting forever.

[candleman]

Hey Dumbass, people dont have to follow anything but pure logic and common sense and they are that is why 44% would now rather have Bush back then Obama after less then 1 year of Obama. My objective is to make sure that after 2 years as many people as possible dont get hoodwinked like they did in the last election. I am sure there are a few more then before, that now heard for themselves Obama in his own voice say "White folks greed runs a world in need" I'll bet you never knew Obama said that before (I know because even after hearing it with your own ears you could not believe it. You dont have to me or that audio I link to, just get his book on tape). Is hearing that kind of crap come out of Obamas own mouth "purely paranoid anti-American thinking"?


We have been at war for several years now but I have yet to see one link from you critizing ALL and there are many things said about BUSH (and our troops) by not only regular people but by democrats (including Obama) in the house and senate, not to mention Al Gore or Carter (you know the former Vice President and President). I am sorry I missed the link you had to when you called out the New York Times for putting out "General betrayus".



STILL WAITING FOR THOSE MANY LINKS TO THE TIMES YOU CRITIZED OTHERS FOR BASHING BUSH AND THE TROOPS, You must have a shit load of them so come on just give me a few of them.


I think I will be waiting forever.

You are right John, you'll never see the link that you're looking for. That's because you're the only person I have read here that speaks so poorly of the Commander of the United States Armed Forces. You are the only traitor that I've read here. So, you'll never see the link that you're looking for from me.

Had I read anyone saying that President Bush was a horse's ass while he was President, I would have given them the same treatment that I'm giving you.

You remind me of Cyndi Sheehan. She didn't get it either. It is fine to disagee respectfully with the duly elected President of Our Country. But, it's just wrong to be as disrespectful as you are. Just wrong John.

If you want people to listen to you. You need to use a different approach. You need to respect Our Country. Then, maybe more people would listen to your opinions.

[john]

John, you have never proven anything to me. Never, not one thing. You show no facts, just opinions from people that you think are right. Any American that would rather live under the leadership of the President of France is just a fruitcake. And that's what you are.

But even us true Conservatives love fruitcakes. So, have a wonderful and blessed Christmas. May the love of Christ shine in your life. And may you see the light in the coming New Year.

Chuck

So when I showed you the link to the news report video and you heard the women tell you for herself what the letter from the Oregon healthcare department said, that was not showing you the facts. I mean you admitted that I was right or do you want me to find it for you.

So when you said you live in NC and there are no free clinics around you and I gave you the link to show that there where a multitude of them everywhere in NC, that was not showing you the facts. I mean you admitted that I was right or do you need me to find it for you.


So when I put up the audio of Obama saying in his own voice (from his book on tape) "White folks greed runs a world in need", that was not showing you the facts. Unforunately thats when your guys ideology kicked in and you still could not believe it. My question is if so, then wouldn't be worth the 35 dollars to by his book on tape and listen for yourseves.


I guess it is just McIntyre's opinion that NASA screwed up on their data. the problem you have there is NASA ADMITTED that they MESSED up and then CHANGED the data THEMSELVES to what McIntyre OPINION was.


I guess when a bunch of "man made global warming" scientist get cought saying it themselves, they are hiding data and tricking it out (one of which Mike Mann had been discredited (hockey stick graph) which was totally proven to be false (not opinion anymore just fact) and is cought again), that is just opinion. The unfortunate part is, it is they themselves saying it.


You see what I mean Boat. My god he has ether forgot already or just dont want to see it, his ideology has him forgetting all those things already. He most likely has never seen the attacks on Bush and our troops made by Obama and HIS party. Yes where was the, " It's just a matter of respect for the office at a time of war. It's just that simple." Where was candlemans outrage then, opps there was none was there. If there was candleman by his own emission should have fought against Obama becoming President yet he says he never even bothered to vote.



Candleman this is why people laugh at you, it is that simple but you will never see the logic behind why that is though.