Every iphone and iPod touch converted to a satellite radio....DONE!
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Every iphone and iPod touch converted to a satellite radio....DONE!
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[QUOTE=lloyd Handwerker;48399]
I never argued the poll results. What I argued was that what the people in the poll gave as ananswer was correct. I then went through each part to show that. Because your memory is terrible or you are just stupid here is what I said, AGAIN:
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Next he gets his information from a lib site that states this: " In our poll, 72% of self-identified FOX News viewers believe the health-care plan will give coverage to illegal immigrants, 79% of them say it will lead to a government takeover, 69% think that it will use taxpayer dollars to pay for abortions, and 75% believe that it will allow the government to make decisions about when to stop providing care for the elderly.
I will tear this apart so even lloyd can see it.
First as said already 4 TIMES, Obama said himself MANY TIMES that his plan would cover all the 45 million people in the US that dont currently have health insurance. (now once again at least 18 million of that 45 million are illegal). So dont blame fox for reporting what Obama said himself.
Next will the government plan lead to government take over. Only a moron would think that it would not. Even the CBO (the Congressional Budget Office) says it will lead to at least 88.1 million people that currently are covered by their employers being forced into the government plan. That is only common sense though. Think about it this way if you ran a bussiness and your heath insurance currenetly cost more then 8% (the penalty the House bill has for those companies that dont have a GOVERNMENT APPROVED PLAN), which it does then wouldn't you just stop covering them. The simple and logical answer is yes. Even Paul klugman (lloyds lib hero) and Barney Frank said themselves that this is a direct link to single payer plan.
Next, as for obortions. That is easy of course it will, is there anyone here including libs that think that that would not happen in a democratic bill. If you need proof of this there was a part of the bill in committee (put in by the blue dogs and rebublicans) that specifically stated that this bill would not cover government funded obortions. You want to know what happen to that part, it got tossed out. Now you have to use your common sense again why would that part be tossed out? The common sense answer is that the way bills are inturpeded leaves plenty of room for things to be read in certain ways. The only way you cant is if there is a specific provision in the bill (like the one the democrats tossed out) that says you cant do something.
Next, as for the government making decsions on the elderlys health care, off course that will happen the fact is the government will not only be making decisions about the old but everyone. That is what happens when you have rationing. One only needs to take a look at Canada to see that. Take another look as a reminder here is the link:
http://blog.heritage.org/2009/08/13/...ng-out-canada/
Libs will never understand these things and that is why they dont see them because the other media never reports it. As an example how many of you heard Obama compare the government run US Postal service to Fed Ex as an example, EXCUSE me did he just try and use another poorly run government program that is on the verge of going bankrupt it self to how well his heath plan will work.
i will say it one last time. Your heading read Msnbc opinion piece. I had quoted from an NBC/WALL STREET JOURNAL POLL which actually point out the misinformation on all msm stations but in particular FOX. You wouldnt correct nor admit that the heading you wrote was wrong and misleading (intentionally so it seems because i quess msnbc was easy shooting for you). If you had just been a grownup about it and admitted you were wrong we could have just moved on and argued the merits of the Poll. But noooooooooooooooo you had to be the worst of John. The 4 year old who cant even own up to a little fib. Too much shame i quess. Anyway i made my point...... Move it to the political section please. You did start this one after all.
First of all, the link never came through. Second, get a life, where the hell to you get the time to find this stuff.
I know what you where saying, what the hell is he talking about, he spends the whole day on the political thread pulling up bullshit from out of the blue. Pot and the kettle come to mind.
That is the best joke when you get someone to go from being mad (if it came from someone else you might have been mad at first) to laughing.
To lloyd Handwerker and john:
Fellows:
I'm fairly new around here, so maybe your discussion is par for the course on this forum, and I just don't know it yet. But aren't you guys far afield from what this forum is supposed to be about - namely SIRI stock talk?
Surely there is another forum where you can continue this fascinating debate.
Respectfully,
God are you an idiot the point to the whole thing was that it was not misinformation, that what they think will happen and are common sense and logical assumtions all you have to do is look at your history to figure that out. The S-CHIP program has now morphed to what it is, Social Security was never ment to provide for half as many people as it has. In the beginning very few were even suppose to collect it in the first place (when it first started the life expectantcy was 58 and you needed to be 65 to collect. How did that go from what it was to covering people with Attention deficit disorder or Post tramatic disorder (we are not even talking about the military personel but from people that were raped to people that were just in a car accident that killed some one). For the last time look at your history it will tell you all you need to know about what happens to government programs (especially when the democrats get control of them). Even libs know abortion will be included in the government health care. Do you really think if they thought that it would not be, that they would allow it to be past. It would be like cutting off most to all abortions now covered by insurance. There is a reason the abortion rights groups are all silent about it. It just takes a little commonsense lloyd something you dont have.
P.S. lloyd I have trouble thinking anyone is that dumb so it is ether that or you are purposely trying to mislead people.
Last edited by john; 08-20-2009 at 04:12 PM.
.68 at the closing bell, up 13.3% on good volume. Nice day.