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  1. Siriusowner is offline
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    02-13-2009, 12:27 AM #381
    Quote Originally Posted by trippingthespeculatingpos View Post
    i dont think so, i think they have a 30 day ext
    I did not say that, it was Homer and I believe he said somewhere that they do not have the 30 day extension for the FEB debt.

    Quote Originally Posted by homer985 View Post
    If they have to do it, my guess is that they would need to file it tomorrow before the Federal Courts close at the end of the day... because chapter 11 is "protection" using the court to protect you from your creditors.

    The debt matures on Sunday, so the principle needs to be repaid on the first business day afterwords, which would be Tuesday. So they would need the protection of the Court before it is due on Tuesday.

    Of course I could be wrong, they may be able to file it on Tuesday morning -- and get relief from the Court that day, but I'm not sure about that.


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    Quote Originally Posted by homer985 View Post
    Missed interest payments typically do not lead to default until 30-days after the due date. Payment of the principle is completely different -- and I see nothing in the indenture for the Feb09 bonds that says they get an additional 30 days.

    The Sirius indenture does allow for up to 30 days to make the interest payment.
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    02-13-2009, 12:31 AM #382
    Quote Originally Posted by nisvan View Post
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    What's your take on the 60m Liberty cash raising?
    Interesting... but it does not mean anything until we see them actually injecting the money into Sirius.

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    02-13-2009, 12:54 AM #383
    Quote Originally Posted by Newman View Post
    Rick: You own Sirius XM Shares. XM is a wholey owned subsidiary of Sirius XM, much like Delphi was a wholey owned subsidiary of GM.

    If XM declares chapter 11, Sirius shareholders remain intact. It could affect the PPS, but seeing as how 2.1 billion in debt belongs to XM and will get reorganized, that affect would probably be a positive affect.
    Thanks Bunches Newman!

    Seems like that would be a major option - cut XM loose and sell the assets to cover the Sirius liabilities - but time is not on our side!

    BUT - if they did go chap 11 - does that protect the shareholders while the co reorgs or are we history as soon as the chap 11 is invoked?

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    02-13-2009, 12:56 AM #384
    Quote Originally Posted by thedude110 View Post
    Want a deal, but didn't really buy in to be "bought out" ...

    New least favorite person: the one close to "the situation."
    They cite "no one" and "unidentified sources" here so there you have it, your newest least favorite person is:..."no one" or at least an "unidentified source" lol.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=a3s6SvFbKBW8

    I guess these moronic "news" web sites and companies really need hits.
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    02-13-2009, 01:06 AM #385

    Nasdaq inst. holdings

    There is something going on the # of inst. changed from 397 @ 34% to 389 @ 36%.

    Someone is accumulating more shares, maybe someone in the know.

    I believe we may have a deal in the morning!

    IMHO

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    02-13-2009, 01:13 AM #386

    Just Out on WSJ......

    By MATTHEW KARNITSCHNIG

    Sirius XM Radio Inc. has significantly narrowed the divide in talks with satellite mogul Charles Ergen over a deal to save the company from a bankruptcy filing. But the country's sole satellite-radio operator continues to discuss a rival offer from Liberty Media Inc., according to people familiar with the situation.

    While the gap between what Mr. Ergen has proposed and Sirius has asked for is narrow, the two sides haven't reached agreement yet on other, nonfinancial issues, these people said. Mr. Ergen is prepared to let Sirius Chief Executive Mel Karmazin keep his job.

    The battle for Sirius has pitted Messrs. Ergen and Karmazin and John Malone, the billionaire who controls Liberty, against one another in a high-stakes game of brinksmanship. Known as three of the media world's biggest personalities, the men have played major roles in the evolution of cable and satellite television, have long known each other and often clashed.

    Mr. Ergen, who controls Dish Network Corp. and EchoStar Corp., has offered to inject about $500 million into Sirius and restructure the debt he holds in the company in return for control. The offer is contingent on the successful renegotiation of about $600 million in Sirius bank loans and about $200 million in other debt.

    Under Liberty's proposal, the company wouldn't acquire Sirius outright or seek to pair it with DirectTV Group Inc., the satellite-TV provider Liberty controls. Liberty would make an investment that would enable Sirius to meet its credit obligations in return for a sizable stake, one person close to the situation said. Neither offer involves buying out Sirius's equity holders.

    In an apparent effort to extract further concessions, Mr. Karmazin looked set to put off a final decision until the weekend. Sirius has until Tuesday to repay $175 million in bonds held by Mr. Ergen. If it fails to cut a deal with him or raise the money elsewhere, Sirius will be forced to file for bankruptcy, according to people familiar with the matter.

    Sirius is buckling under a $3.25 billion debt load and has been unable to borrow more money in the credit markets or from banks. Even as Sirius has tried to play its suitors against each another, it has suggested privately to investors that bankruptcy might be preferable.

    Such talk has battered Sirius's stock in recent days. Shares of Sirius, which has lost nearly all of its market value since July, rose two cents, or 35%, to seven cents in 4 p.m. Nasdaq Stock Market composite trading Thursday.

    Most observers doubt that Sirius will follow through with its threat to seek bankruptcy protection. Such a step would wipe out its equity holders and likely leave many of its creditors, including Mr. Ergen, with nothing.

    In one indication that it won't pursue a bankruptcy filing, Sirius has approached holders of about $200 million in bonds maturing in December about converting their paper into more senior debt and equity. Such a step would be pointless if the company expected to go under.

    Write to Matthew Karnitschnig at matthew.karnitschnig@wsj.com

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    02-13-2009, 01:13 AM #387
    That may be Ergen. Remember, Ergen is not a "white knight"...Malone may not be either but I thought he was a better deal.
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    02-13-2009, 01:14 AM #388
    Yeah...I think we are getting close to a deal getting done!!
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1234...oo_hs&ru=yahoo

    Sirius XM Radio Inc. has significantly narrowed the divide in talks with satellite mogul Charles Ergen over a deal to save the company from a bankruptcy filing. But the country's sole satellite-radio operator continues to discuss a rival offer from Liberty Media Inc., according to people familiar with the situation.

    While the gap between what Mr. Ergen has proposed and Sirius has asked for is narrow, the two sides haven't reached agreement yet on other, nonfinancial issues, these people said. Mr. Ergen is prepared to let Sirius Chief Executive Mel Karmazin keep his job.

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    02-13-2009, 01:15 AM #389
    Sirius XM Radio Inc. has significantly narrowed the divide in talks with satellite mogul Charles Ergen over a deal to save the company from a bankruptcy filing. But the country's sole satellite-radio operator continues to discuss a rival offer from Liberty Media Inc., according to people familiar with the situation.

    While the gap between what Mr. Ergen has proposed and Sirius has asked for is narrow, the two sides haven't reached agreement yet on other, nonfinancial issues, these people said. Mr. Ergen is prepared to let Sirius Chief Executive Mel Karmazin keep his job.

    The battle for Sirius has pitted Messrs. Ergen and Karmazin and John Malone, the billionaire who controls Liberty, against one another in a high-stakes game of brinksmanship. Known as three of the media world's biggest personalities, the men have played major roles in the evolution of cable and satellite television, have long known each other and often clashed.

    Mr. Ergen, who controls Dish Network Corp. and EchoStar Corp., has offered to inject about $500 million into Sirius and restructure the debt he holds in the company in return for control. The offer is contingent on the successful renegotiation of about $600 million in Sirius bank loans and about $200 million in other debt.

    Under Liberty's proposal, the company wouldn't acquire Sirius outright or seek to pair it with DirectTV Group Inc., the satellite-TV provider Liberty controls. Liberty would make an investment that would enable Sirius to meet its credit obligations in return for a sizable stake, one person close to the situation said. Neither offer involves buying out Sirius's equity holders.

    In an apparent effort to extract further concessions, Mr. Karmazin looked set to put off a final decision until the weekend. Sirius has until Tuesday to repay $175 million in bonds held by Mr. Ergen. If it fails to cut a deal with him or raise the money elsewhere, Sirius will be forced to file for bankruptcy, according to people familiar with the matter.

    Sirius is buckling under a $3.25 billion debt load and has been unable to borrow more money in the credit markets or from banks. Even as Sirius has tried to play its suitors against each another, it has suggested privately to investors that bankruptcy might be preferable.

    Such talk has battered Sirius's stock in recent days. Shares of Sirius, which has lost nearly all of its market value since July, rose two cents, or 35%, to seven cents in 4 p.m. Nasdaq Stock Market composite trading Thursday.

    Most observers doubt that Sirius will follow through with its threat to seek bankruptcy protection. Such a step would wipe out its equity holders and likely leave many of its creditors, including Mr. Ergen, with nothing.

    In one indication that it won't pursue a bankruptcy filing, Sirius has approached holders of about $200 million in bonds maturing in December about converting their paper into more senior debt and equity. Such a step would be pointless if the company expected to go under.

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    02-13-2009, 01:16 AM #390

    WSJ story!

    Close to a deal with ecostar.

    link:

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1234...?mod=wsjcrmain

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