Pointing Out The Obvious
It seems that satellite radio generates a lot of passion in people. That is a good thing when that passion is grounded by a healthy dose of reality. Recent events in the satellite blogsphere seem to created a heated debate between Satwaves and Motley Fool. Somehow through the course of their “debate”, SiriusBuzz got dragged in. Motley Fool challenges the accuracy of Satwaves, and for whatever reason, Satwaves makes a decision to deflect that attention to SiriusBuzz in the opening paragraph of their rebuttal.
I had the honor this weekend to attend the Charity Awards Gala at the Ritz Carlton in Washington D.C. It was being at that event and dinner that made me reflect on a rather detailed and pointed response I had already started writing as a rebuttal to comments made by Mr. Matthews and Satwaves in his response to Motley Fool.
The Charity Awards Gala is an annual event that celebrates the giving of people and organizations. I had the pleasure of meeting and speaking with icons like boxing great Joe Frazier, presidential historian and advisor Doug Wead, music entertainer and movie star Pat Boone, and Fox News host and past presidential candidate Mike Huckabee.
It was a brief set of words spoken by Mike Huckabee event at the that caused me to stop and reflect on this article as well as the tone it would take. Mr. Huckabee stated, “if you do not give, you have not lived.” What Mr. Huckabee was stating was that the act of giving carries huge rewards for ones quality of life. People that generally carry a positive attitude, and are generous with their time and money have fuller lives because of their generosity. I had begun penning a rather pointed and detailed response to Mr. Matthews. Upon taking some time to reflect on what has transpired, I thought it best to approach this issue in a more positive way that perhaps can bring about good changes.
It was not by choice that SiriusBuzz got embroiled into the debate between Mr. Matthews and the Motley Fool. this site had nothing to do with the comments made by Motley Fool. I could have simply let Mr. Matthews rebuttal to the Motley Fool pass without response, but a response is needed because it goes to the heart of the issue written by Motley Fool. There are many things that I or any reader could be critical of Mr. Matthews and Satwaves for. However, rather than go down that path, I will take it upon myself to take the higher road in hopes that by through this example satellite radio blog readers get the gift of better websites and more accurate information.
I do need to address the two specific issues that Satwaves decided to bring up in the opening paragraph of their response to Motley Fool because those barbs were cast at me rather than Motley Fool.
Mr. Matthews states, “From websites that all but guarantee Sirius XM Radio would lose over 300,000 subscribers last quarter while promising accurate information compared to Satwaves (as we continue to wait patiently for Sarah Palin’s new Sirius XM channel)…” This is a veiled reference to SiriusBuzz.
Mr. Matthews is casting his stones at me. He speaks of “the speck in his eye” and the “planks in everyone else’s”. He requests that “those without Sirius XM sins cast the first stone”. These are noble theories, but if one is going to bring these up, they should ensure the purity of your own work and actions, as well as review that which was actually written.
Mr. Matthews insinuates that SiriusBuzz projected that Sarah Palin would get a channel on Sirius XM Radio. Anyone who takes the time to read the Palin article would see that I in no way made such a projection. The piece was about the speculation that Sirius XM would be a great home for her. Even the title asks the question, “Could Sarah Palin Wind Up On Sirius XM?” The issue here is that what Mr. Matthews portrayed was something entirely different than the facts, and what was actually written. It is this type of action that the Motley Fool was pointing out in their criticisms of Mr. Matthews. Whether Mr. Matthews simply did not do research into the issue, or did not comprehend what was written is unknown. What is known is that readers who take the time to read the article will clearly see that there was not projection made of Palin arriving at Sirius XM. This is exactly the types of misrepresentations that the Motley Fool was referring to in their piece, and perhaps the ultimate irony is that Mr. Matthews demonstrated this shortcoming once again in his rebuttal.
Secondly, Mr. Matthews goes after my Q2 sub loss projection of (300,000 to 340,000) and challenges the accuracy record of SiriusBuzz. I found this attack quite interesting given some of the subscriber projections offered up by Mr. Matthews for Q1 and Q2 of 2009, which were far more erroneous than those offered by SiriusBuzz. In particular, Mr. Matthews called for positive subs in Q1. He also called for positive subs in Q2, but then changed his projections to a range of a big negative to a big positive (a subscriber range that was essentially valueless to the reader). Readers can see the detail of my projections in my Q2 preview which goes into far more detail than simply subscriber projections. I outline where I arrived at my number, and have even discussed where I was wrong in my projection subsequent to the quarterly report. The OEM channel was not as negatively impacted by the Chrysler and GM bankruptcy’s as I anticipated. That being said, I stand behind the accuracy of verifiable facts when I write, and stand behind my opinions with an explanation of how and why I arrived at those opinions. I will let readers decide the accuracy of the various sites they follow.
With those points addressed, I had planned to detail several very bad mistakes published on Satwaves this year in the form of detailed errors, why they were errors, and pointing out the facts. Instead, I will bring up only a few, not to “Brandon Bash”, but rather as a way to encourage Mr. Matthews to take some more time to better understand the subjects he writes about.
In his speech tonight, Mike Huckabee spoke about the fact that giving is an important facet in life. He stated that if you have not given, you have not lived. Writers about satellite radio carry a responsibility to ensure that the information they write about is accurate, and grounded in good research. Those that make the decision to write about satellite radio should do so to give interested readers good information which they can use in the process of their own research. Mr. Matthews is passionate about the company. This is good. He also tends to shoot from the hip, and that can be dangerous. I do not think Mr. Matthews intentionally tries to mislead people. Perhaps this is the reason he is so sensitive to the criticisms leveled at him. What is needed in the satellite radio blogsphere is humility by the authors. Readers all to often rely far to much on what is written, and take it as fact. Writers who do not acknowledge their errors are doing a dis-service to those readers.
The examples of errors outlined below are not intended to embarrass Mr. Matthews. More likely than not, he is well aware that there are many that were critical of these errors. Instead, I am pointing these out in hopes that Mr. Matthews will take some time to reflect on what he has written, and better understand his weakness in research and understanding of SEC filings. These are areas that Mr. Matthews should strive to improve upon, and readers also need to be aware of why what Mr. Matthews wrote is not accurate.
A case in point is an article Mr. Matthews penned stating that the Liberty Media deal can be reversed and that the preferred shares could come back to Sirius XM Radio. Some basic research would reveal that the deal was not reversible, and further that the preferred shares are and were Liberty Media’s to keep. The issue here is that there are many readers who believed in what Mr. Matthews wrote. So much so, that the “atta boys” referred to by the Motley Fool were under that article as well. The Motley Fool is correct in their assessment that this should be a major concern. Had Mr. Matthews simply pickled up the phone and made a call, or read the Liberty Deal more thoroughly he would see that the facts were that the shares belonged to Liberty, and were theirs to keep. Instead of acknowledging this fact, Mr. Matthews goes down a path of saying that some day the shares can be back in the hands of Sirius XM, thereby “reversing” the deal as he originally stated. The problem is that if Sirius XM ever gets these shares back, they will have to BUY them. Liberty got the shares for essentially for free. Sirius XM BUYING them back does not reverse the deal at all. A reversal would be the company getting them back virtually free. This type of mistake is a HUGE mistake, and investors of Liberty as well as Sirius XM deserved better research. This was an error about BILLIONS of dollars. It impacted investors not only in Sirius XM, but Liberty Media as well. The facts were available prior to his publication. Mr. Matthews either did not do the research, or did not comprehend what he was reading. These words may sound harsh, but they are simply the reality of the situation.
Another instance is where Mr. Matthews says that Liberty does not control 40% of the company. Such language gives readers the impression that perhaps there is some way that Liberty does not control 40% of the company. The facts are that Liberty’s preferred shares are technically not counted in the float unless converted. This was a correct statement made by Mr. Matthews. However, it is also a fact that the Liberty preferred shares carry VOTING RIGHTS. This gives Liberty power. This voting right is something that is not common with preferred shares. Liberty can also control and or appoint up to 6 members of the Board of Directors. Again, this gives Liberty power. Lastly, Sirius XM themselves list Liberty Media as an owner of the company on various SEC filings. The fact is that Liberty DOES control 40% of the company. Mr. Matthews piece on the subject does not spell out very important aspects of the Liberty Deal, and left his readers the impression of something that really is not there. Again, readers praised Mr. Matthews for his article. On top of all of that, Liberty has purchased $150 million of debt in the last two offerings.
Lastly, Mr. Matthews brings up the most recent refinancing and his opinion that there will be no charges attributable to the refinancing of the debt. Mr. Matthews even bolds this statement. Mr. Matthews cites language in the filings that state that there are no PENALTIES associated with the offering, and arrives at the conclusion that this means there will be no one time charges associated with the $250 million financing used to pay back Liberty Media. The opinion of Mr. Matthews is in direct contradiction to my own opinion that investors need to be prepared for one time charges again this quarter. If Mr. Matthews referred to the latest 10Q published by Sirius XM, he would see that the $250 million Liberty loan is mentioned, and that the company has discounted the loan by $122.9 million. Now that they have refinanced the loan, the company has to account for that discount. It is an accounting function, but it WILL bring charges. Once again, readers pat Mr. Matthews on the back, and unwittingly absorb erroneous information. Mr. Matthews uses his incorrect interpretation of the Liberty Media deal, as well as some opinions that can be debated, to inform readers that the company may, in a resounding way, post an EPS profit in Q3 of 2009.
The reason I bring these up is not to slam Mr. Matthews. He has passion for the company, and passion for what he does. As I stated, this is a good thing. However, because he has decided to be a conduit of information via a website, he should take the necessary steps to try his best to ensure the accuracy of whet he writes, or inquire to sources that can help him understand certain aspects of satellite radio that he is weak on. Opinions are opinions, but when facts can be verified, there is no excuse for not verifying them if you are running a web site. The items above are critical of a fundamental lack of research, not a difference of opinion.
Mr. Matthews seems to feel that everyone on the Internet is attacking him. This is not at all the case. What happens is that Mr. Matthews tends to make mistakes about very key components that could have been verified with a little additional effort. What I would encourage Mr. Matthews to do is to take the extra step and fully research issues before publishing an article. I feel he owes this extra step to his readers. If the subject is something he is unclear about, he can make a phone call and get information that can help make the his final published piece more accurate, and by extension people would not be critical of the piece.
The Motley Fool is right in that the “atta boys” are quite scary. Imagine someone invested into Liberty that hears from the company that Liberty now has a 40% stake in Sirius XM Radio, only to read a piece that states the deal can be reversed. Imagine the impact of Sirius XM investors who suddenly feel that a potential 40% dilution will disappear. By the comments of Satwaves readers, that is exactly what transpires. This is why being careful, and taking the time to GIVE readers accurate information is so important.
I myself oft get questions relating to something written on the net. Whether penned by Mr. Matthews or someone else, questions do happen and need to be addressed. There are readers out there who are getting confused because they are receiving mixed messages on various facts. In particular, if these are issues that represent hundreds of millions or even billions of dollars, correct information needs to be in the hands of investors. It is for this reason that Mr. Matthews tends to see people correct the record. Readers should NEVER take anything on blind faith (from SiriusBuzz or any other site). Even if a site tends to disseminate very accurate information and opinions, mistakes can happen. Readers should refer to as many sources as they can when considering their investments. Sirius XM also has investors that tend to have a great passion for the company, and often they want something to cheer about. That is fine, but we need to remember that this is an investment and not a love affair. Personally I get accused of being a pumper as well as a basher. It is an interesting dynamic. Perhaps it is because I tend to give both sides of the picture when I write. I may not always be correct, but typically I am in the right ballpark.
In his piece Mr. Matthews brings up inaccuracies of others. Ironically, much of what he brings up are issues that I have addressed in the past. The writer that projected a loss of 1.6 million subscribers for 2009 was Scott Morritz. I responded to his analysis in an article titled Moritz Gets Snarky On Sirius XM. The interesting thing is that Mr. Matthews is being critical of Mr. Moritz when Mr. Matthews did the exact same thing! I was also critical of The Motley Fool for their portrayal of the XM SkyDock in a piece titled Sirius XM SkyDock Already Getting Misrepresented.
My suggestion is this. Mr. Matthews should take a step back and assess what is happening at Satwaves. He should understand that people are not out to attack him. What people want is good and accurate information. They deserve to have information that has been vetted out. As a writer about satellite radio with a website, he has the ability to offer up quality information. He just needs to take the step to do it. As a site that is dedicated specifically to satellite radio his responsibility goes even further than sites that cover the sector in a more general way.
If you do not give, you have not lived. Mr. Matthews, please take these criticisms as constructive and make the decision to GIVE your readers a higher quality product. My initial response to your article was quite harsh and took many aspects of your writings to task. While it may not seem like I am giving with this piece, in actuality I am. I am giving you the chance to step back and look at what you are doing in a way that allows you to save face. This is not about slamming you. This is not about personality differences. This is about having some humility. This is about the readers, consumers and investors in satellite radio, and the level of quality they deserve. This is about GIVING readers the level of attention and accuracy they deserve.
Position – Long Sirius XM Radio, No Position Liberty Media
ATTA BOY TYTLER!!!!! sorry had to write that,but seriously,this is a good article and advice should be taken…
We all want and deserve factual true info on SXM not speculation or dreaming up ways to make sxm better..
The core of anyone trying to be a journslist or blooger on any subject is to do the research and due diligence of the facts,end of discussion..
The agenda gets in the way of the message. Big time.
At some point, someone will take the high road in this silliness.
HINT: Continually saying your intent isn’t to slam someone does not put you on the high road if you then turn around and start slamming.
Your sites should work together not against. While you have every right to defend against any false accusations maybe you should’ve left it there as a pissing contest does nothing but destroy credibility on both sides. Readers don’t expect perfection. We understand the differences in styles and we need to do our own DD. Calling out Brandon to this degree I believe is stepping over the line. Your claims of taking the high road fall flat. Agreed he shouldn’t have directed an attack against you in a rebuttal to MF but this really should stop. I highly value the content on both sites and for different reasons and its sad to see you both go down this road.
I aggree with Bob, I like both sites. You mentioned that you should not had written a rebuttal and that probably was the better course to take. How emotional brandon is, I can see Satwaves flaming another article about this. You don’t want these sites to get into a pissing contest. I thought both sites suppose to be about Sat radio, not Brandon or tyler. I would hate to see both sites go down this path.
You wont have to worry about that because anyone with any knowledge of satellite radio or been in it for some time knows, Sirius Buzz is by far the more accurate of the two. For new comers that get sucked into Satwaves, that is their problem for not researching the matter further to find out where the most correct information is. As for the rebuttal if anything it will help new comers find where the correct information is located and that is a good thing. Let me put it this way, Brandon hurts more people then he helps. The site on the other hand could be alot better if Brandon stayed on the side lines more.
“Mike Huckabee spoke about the fact that giving is an important facet in life. He stated that if you have not given, you have not lived.”
Was this before or after he asked you for a 2012 campaign contribution ?
I love you bro , but Mel isn’t stupid enough to sign Palin to even wash his car . Seriously winking at the audience doesn’t translate well on radio for starters . And how many times until it gets real old hearing about Obama’s death panels , how she was for the bridge to nowhere before she was against it , or how great foreign policy experience it is being able to see Russia from her home state . Oh that’s right maybe about now she could use up two minutes now telling us the newspapers and magazines she reads she must have figured that out by now ?
If you want to hear a good republican woman talk politics at least have one like Olympia Snowe or Susan Collins that actually have more than one surviving brain cell !
Eduardo….
LOL….
He has not asked me for a campaign contribution. I am a Romney guy.
I think Palin would be a great addition though. Not because I tend to be a conservative, but because she can be polarizing, people know her, and she would command attention.
Ho I feel I must. Biden is any better when he said, during the depression in 1928, FDR got on TV and said, we would get through this. Well first of all Hover was president in 1928 not FDR. Second TV was not invented until 1938 so how the hell could he even go on TV when it was not invented for another ten years. As for Obama wasn’t he who tried to say that his experience for president came from RUNNING for president for the last 2 years. Yes folks you heard that right now just RUNNING for president is experience to be president. Whatever you do dont ask Obama how many states this country has because he wont be able to give you the correct answer if we go from what he said, which was yes thats right 58. Both of those two morons were a gaff a minute but you never heard any of them because you watched CNN or MSNBC. As proof have you ever heard of “Van Jones” (green jobs Czar), not if you haven’t watched FOX because they are the only ones that have reported about him for the last 3 weeks. It will most likely come as a surprise to you that he has resigned as of 09-05-09. Could have been for any number of reasons though, self avowed communist, signed a 911 truther letter, said WHITE envirmentalist and WHITE polluters are responsible for poisoning blacks, and the list gos on and on. Then again you probally never heard Obama out of his own lips say “A white mans greed runs a world in need” (from his book on tape),That sounds like a racist remark to me!!!
Two things, John:
1. Here’s the problem with today: Your rant above, John, gives you no chance, EVER, of making it into office. A digital footprint will forever haunt a person who challenges anything in his or her life, because the Glenn Beck’s of the world will find it, play it in whatever context he likes, incessantly, and wreck your public/political future. Moral? Don’t question/challenge anything in life or it’s over. Can’t wait to see what the leaders are like in the future.
2. Do you honestly believe Obama thinks there are 58 states? If so, YOU are the moron. Did Obama gaffe, yes, point for you. But there’s a difference between a gaffe and simply not knowing, or ignorance…look it up if you must. Ignorance is what plagued Palin. She couldn’t name a newspaper she reads, or a sumpreme court decision, or a what the Bush doctrine was, and on and on and on. Gaffes are acceptable in a president, ignorance is not.
First you libs like to have it both ways you criticize that which you yourself have used as an example. I however will use your own words to show how you make no sense what so ever. Do you really think Palin could not name one news paper or magazine she reads (magazine was part of the question Katie asked). Do really think She does not know about Roew V Wade, and as for the Bush doctrine she was correct to ask which one are you talking about Charley because unlike you I know of at least 3 of the biggest ones off the top of my head (but many more are there). First there is the Axes of Evil (where if you side with the terrorist then you will be treated like terreorist) Second there is the spreading of democracy in the Middle East (where by doing this it will stop terrorism in the big picture) and then there is number 3 which is the right of prempt strike (where if we feel threatened by something we reserve the right to strike first).
Because you only watch CNN or MSNBC you never heard many of the other gaffs both of those two idiots did. Those were not even close to the only ones both of them did. You did however hear of every one Palin did because that was what the lib MSM wanted you to hear. FOX played both Palins and Obamas and many but not even close to all of Bidins (there were to many to play them all with Biden).
Finally as proof of what I talked about one only has to look at the latest Van Jones resignation issue. Where was all the other media besides FOX on Van Jones? FOX has been reporting on Van Jones (and many other radicals in Obamas administration) for the last 2 and a half months. Then after the resignation happens and it cant be hidden any longer what do you get from them?????? just one clip of him calling republicans A** holes. The MSM left out the other 15 clips or writtings of his radical views or the fact he started STORM (a communist organization). Here are a few he said in video “That white environmentalist and white companys pushed poisons into black communities” (that was only back in 2008), “I sympathize with American muslums and minorities because of the oppression brought by this imperalist government” (he said that the day after 911). The MSM never mentioned he was a self avowed communist (as little back as 1998 during his STORM years). The list gos on and on and on and on Many of which where only 1 or 2 years ago. You cant take all the video clips of Van Jones out of context unless you are to stupid to see what kind of man he really is. I pray to god most people are not as stupid as you Brad. You do however start to see the connections between Rev. Right and Bill Aiers (by the way Hannity reported on in March of 2007 but was never picked up by the other MSM until march of 2008) to the other people Obama surrounds himself with. The MSM had 200 reporters in Alaska to dig up dirt on Palin but could not even have one watch a single show of Hannity and Chomes. My god get a brain before it is to late. If you cant see what the MSM has just put over on you, just goto NBCs suviner shop they sell a T-shirt with Obama on it saying “YES WE DID” (along with other Obama idems). Incase you are to dumb to get it, it is a NBC store selling a “YES WE DID” T-shirt, they just told you they are the reason Obama is president.
This should hopfuly be the last article of this type that I need to pen. I realized when I wrote the piece that many SiriusBuzz readers would be critical of it, and not like the article. I agree. I do not like it either. However, there are certain things that needed to be pointed out in hopes that readers of sites getting good information. Compared to what I had initially written, this was a much friendly piece.
Not a day goes by that I do not receive e-mails from people being critical of this author or that author and the various opinions going around the net. My typical response is that whatever author it is has an OPINION, and opinions will differ. I answer this way even if I do not agree with the opinion being offered.
There are also many occasions where I see articles from various authors that are simply wrong in FACTS. This is a different issue. If facts are wrong it needs to be pointed out so that readers can have the correct information. Sometimes authors get facts wrong because they did not do research. Other times they simply do not understand what they are reading and interpret the language wrong. The importance here is that authors should recognize where their weaknesses are and work to correct those weaknesses. I ask a lot of questions before I pen a piece. Even when I feel that I have read something correctly, I seek confirmation. The reason I do this is so that I can publish a piece that will be useful to readers.
Thank you for the comments, and your readership.
Tyler I feel you were to kind to Brandon. That most likely comes as no surprise though. I believe you hit the nail on the head when you bring up why Brandon is being picked on by other articles. The problem is it was the wrong head and it should have been Brandons head to knock some sense into it. The proof of this is he still does not get it from the article he just wrote. Instead of taking it as a critizism of his inaccuracy, he takes it as a badge of honor and thinks it is something to be proud of (all the attention). This misunderstanding of the reason for people picking on him is just another clear example of why he gets simple facts wrong. He just does not get the difference, they are laughing at him, not with him.
Tyler, being pulled into the fray I believe you had every right to pen your comments. Yes I want accurate info not something just to make be feel better about the company. You made an attempt to not show your outrage and put your comments as constructive. Brandon has an obligation to do his DD if he reports something as fact. When he (or you) speculates that’s a whole different ballgame. False or erroneous reporting of facts hurts his site and its reputation and his following. He should be more responsible in his reporting of facts. People like me don’t have the time to do all the fact checking and rely on both your sites for accurate info. I enjoy Brandon’s shoot from the hip style if it’s based on an idea or theory (brain storming) but it’s dangerous if it’s presented as fact. There is nothing wrong with clearing the air (error).
Neal Barkett, There is nothing wrong with speculation of a companty. The problem with Brandon is he takes much of his speculation from blatantly wrong information in the first place. He is speculating off of bad assumtions off of bad information that he has misunderstood, which makes much of what he writes useless.
Can’t we all just get along?
:>)
Tyler,
I guess Brandon and his web site along with radio show is gaining lots of viewers.
Based on the numerous erroneous articles written by Motley Fools the past year and you attack your competition Brandon instead. I guess you are getting nervous that your losing viewers to the satwaves web site and radio show. This is what your article was all about, to attack your competition.
It is my opinion. I’m entitled to it. Feel you are dead wrong in attacking Brandon and making the Motley Fools sound like an honest web-site. Wow, are you desperate & wrong.
Richard
Richard,
1. I have written pieces critical of Motley Fool.
2. I was not attacking. Brandon decided to attack me in his dispute with Motley Fool. I do not know why he made that decision, but he did. Perhaps you should ask him the very questions you are penning to me.
3. I am not nervous at all. Uniques to this site get higher all of the time.
4. Listeners to the SiriusBuzz radio show continue to grow. As do the downloads.
5. I am not making Motley Fool sound like heros. I was simply making the point that the concern raised by them on this subject had valid points.
6. I am well aware that most people do not pick one site or the other. Most read both sites, as well as others. Do you think people read only this site, or only that site?
Yes, you are entitled to your opinion. If you will notice, I also allow you to publish opinions that are critical of me. This is not the case on all sites out there. you should bear that in mind.
I am desparate for nothing with regards to this sector or site. Truth be told, the site is a lot of work for a small reward.
Dick,if this type of thing happened to you how would you have handled it? Tyler does his DD and wants to protect his reputation.
This article could be 100 percent accurate, and still be a terrible article, that only hurts the SIriusXM community. Doesnt excuse Brandon, but if Tyler felt like he needed to do it for personal reasons, then thats up to him. I think Tyler realizes that.
rel, i agree with you that the bickering has to stop at some point. we are all here for the same reason. to spread the good word on sirius and get new investors interested in the stock we hold. but the problem is the boss at sw holds himself above the stock. he thinks he is god. and he is still misinforming investors with his articles and opinions. isnt it ironic the topic of conversation now is regarding Q3 metrics? newman had brought up the fact that brandon is wrong and Q3 wont be as rosy as most people suspect , days after TS wrote about it. he repeated everything TS said. what a coincidence huh? and the best part is when tyler wrote about it all you guys were killing him there. deep down you know the metrics of this company wont be better translated on any other site than here. thats why most of the readers there come here for the facts. i am well aware that you post on both sites, but i have yet read you defend this site from all the bashers there like you defend sw here. gl
To be honest, SB is rarely a topic of discussion in the open forums there, like it is here, so there would be not be much of opportunity for me to do so. And when it does come up, its a negative reason usually creatd by something Brandon wrote, and SB responded too, either by bashing Brandon, bashing the site, or bashing the entire posting community over there. Plus is harder for me to defend a bearish sites view, as Im bullish, vs. a bullish site.
relmor, why dont we get right down to the root cause of the problem?????? Yea thats right, it is and has always been Brandons misinformation. If Brandon would get his shit straight for more then just one or two articles, out of dozens then there would be no problem. Instead of saying a 100% correct article is the problem I suggest you tell the person putting out the crap ass articles that he is the problem that is hurting the SIRIXM commumity. What the hell is wrong with you people over there, letting Brandon get away with the crap he throws up. I am disappointed in you, cos1000, Newman, killer, and a very few others. If you gave a shit about the SIRIXM community then you guys would have put a stop to Brandons incorrect information factory long ago. But no you guys just let it go and go and go.
I dont know John. Since only some of my posts are getting through, Id doubt you will get this post, so not sure if i can respond or not. John, as a user of both sites, I would think you would respect my opinion. Satwaves has people who do the things you say. I am one of them. I am Brandons biggest critic. And ASM. Behind the scenes others are doing what they can. For instance, I asked Brandon one day to join me in chat. He said, Uh Oh, what did I do this time? So unless you were there John, and read comments, and follow articles posts, you really have no clue what you are talking about do you? You just see the end result. and the end result is a site owner with a send button, utlizing it. Just like how I dont edit Tylers articles before posting here. I love you John, but your wrong here. Very wrong.
relmor, I dont see it in the comments section of the articles which is where it should be. The first fact of that is because what you guys say you are doing is not working or Brandon is as dumb as a box of rocks. He has not changed the way he checks his facts in an article therefore he is ether to stupid or you guys are not doing enough. Simple logic, it is ether one or the other because the incorrect articles keep coming.
P.S. If it takes everyone of you calling him a dumbass everytime he does it IN THE COMMENTS SECTION (not in the forums or private) then that is what it takes and you guys should do. Shame his dumbass into putting the time to do the research to get the correct information, if for nothing else then the SIRIXM community you want to protect. Brandon is no better then the rest of the MSM out there that puts up crap ass information.
I will be blunt. I have called Brandon out on many occasions. He flip flops. And when you disagree with him you get banned. I’ve been banned twice. He has a slew of cheerleaders. One that comes to mind is Relmor. A complete misinformed idiot. He couldn’t buy a clue. Ever been to their chatroom? What a crew. Relmor dominates the chat with snide remarks. He thinks he is king over there. All they do at Satwaves is post charts and speculate. Most of them have been day-trading the stock and jump for joy when they make $5 on a trade. I personally despise Brandon and have made that clear to him.
Ummmm you spoke to Pat Boone?
Toot Toot!
To say if you post on a site, you are responsible for the blog articles is ridiculous. Then I would never get to post anywhere. Because I dont always agree with the articles. And SXMINVESTOR, I have no response to a fake investor who owns no shares. You dont deserve a response. Your lies are obvioius and boring. You can try to discredit me all you want, your mission from day 1. Your attempts are like farts in the wind.
Relmor your reputation precedes you. Once misinformed always misinformed. Just like your response to me. Misinformed again. Brandon, crying like a baby because everyone is picking on him. The guys freaking paranoid. Probably can’t sleep at night. Brandon bans everyone who disagrees with him on his site. There is no debate with anyone there. All are afraid of the big bad bully. You, Newman, Damien, ASM, Sherrie, all from the same cloth. Useless information. I don’t want to read speculation and misinformation. That is what is posted at Satwaves. Garbage. I want facts. Tyler writes facts. Not someone laying in bed dreaming up scenarios.
Good Article Tyler
If you felt that strongly about what was written that you had to respond, it was probably the right thing to do.
The Motely fool posts as many articles as they can about SiriusXm simply because they want you to visit their web site.They know there are a lot of small investors that follow anything written about SiriusXM. I use to to go their web site, but seldom do anymore.
Everyone has pretty much targeted Rick Aristotle Munarriz as the arch villian that loves to slam SiriusXM. He has written some positive things about SiriusXM in the past.If I remember correctly he wrote some positive articles years ago about Sirius before the merger when most articles were pretty negative or no articles at all concerning Sirius.
I read Brandon’s articles as I do Tyler’s and as with any article if the subject is of some investing importance,I try to read as many articles from other sources to get a clear picture.
With the checkered past of Sirius & XM,the billions invested and spent,no profit,the boondoogle merger,the FCC,the near collaspe,Liberty,and the thousands of articles written, Iam surprised it has taken this long before a few writers crossed swords. Is this a bad thing?..or maybe a good thing?
imho
vaporgold
I’ve read both sites and done my own research. I appreciated the points that each site makes but ultimately the facts are subject to my own verification. I’m disappointed in this site and Brandon’s site.
Truly it is a sad day for this community. The sites should have a sybiotic relationship — not an adversarial relationship. I’ve noted erroneous and speculative articles from each side, but I have appreciated the optomism over the years.
That being said. I’ve completely liquidated all my shares and am no longer invested in Sirius XM. I’ll try to make money somewhere else. This is a rat race that isn’t worth my time anymore.
You may just be the smartest guy out there.
your article is too long…I stopped reading.
like a bunch of friends or family members arguing with each other…no one cares except those involved.
let it pass.
This must be stopped. Please get back to the basics.
I gather info from both sites to see if I missed anything on my research. I will also continue to read MF and other sites.
Everything I do with my money is on me and NOT based on the writings of Tyler or Brandon or any other sites.
I am pleased that most of the time the information from both sites help inform readers of the TOTAL BS in MOST of the articals from MF and others bashing SXM on a daily basis.
But all information from all the sites only makes me dig deeper
in finding the truth. It is my investment
Both Tyler and Brandon were friends and I hope they still are.
I would think that the both of you can air your concerns in private and let the investers dig deeper on the info that is provided. Being at odds with each other will only hurt the SXM community.
WJ…
agree 100%
Tyler, please read WJDJFD’s post.
this fight is nonsense and non-productive.
John, you need to settle down. You rival BahBah in your anger. By the way, I don’t get my news from MSNBC, and you shouldn’t get yours from Fox. Because you do, you’re unable to have a constructive debate. The sheer mention of Hannity, Beck, and O’Reilly makes you a right-wing nut job.