No Vote Tonight on Boehner Bill

Despite what Siriusly Long said 4 or 5 hours earlier (i couldnt help rubbing it in) there was never and will NOT be a vote tonight.


07:36 PM PDT
No vote tonight on Boehner's bill
byKaili Joy Gray
After all that pizza and promises of gutting Pell grants, John Boehner still hasn't managed to bribe enough Republicans to vote on his bill. Via TPM:

House Whip Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) just announced there will be no vote tonight on the Boehner debt bill.
A remarkable turn of events. Simply no reason for Boehner to bring up his own bill if it was doomed to fail, and clearly it was.

Despite a lot of confident talk from Boehner and his leadership team, it appears they never had the votes.

Tune in tomorrow for more Republican nihilism fun ...

Have they voted yet S&L? Seriosly where did you get the news that they passed the House bill yesterday?

Too much multitasking. I should stick to what I'm really good at - my job and exposing you as a right wing tea partier based on your strong desire to pay as little tax as possible:0

TGIF.

where did you hear about them passing it?

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Boehner turns to Balanced Budget Amendment to save his job
byJoan McCarter
Apparently Speaker John Boehner thinks he can find salvation in the Balanced Budget Amendment, tying that fetish of the teabagger Republicans in the House to the debt ceiling.

Reports are now saying there would be a temporary hike in the debt ceiling now, and then tie passage of the BBA to approval of the second round of funding.

Never mind that the Balanced Budget Amendment will never pass in the Senate. And that it's pretty unlikely he'll get any Democrats to vote for this. He's just trying to save his job.

Tick. Tick. Tick.

Practically Delusional
David Kurtz | July 29, 2011, 11:08AM


Rep. John Boehner (R-OH)

Just minutes after President Obama urged the parties to come together and avert this default crisis, things are actually going backwards in the House. And in pretty incredible fashion.

To secure enough votes from his own members for his plan, Speaker Boehner is amending it to basically turn it into Cut, Cap, and Balance Lite.

Here's the key new provision that is apparently going to win enough GOP votes to pass the bill:

The debt ceiling would be raised immediately but not by enough to get the government through next year. To get the second debt ceiling increase, House Republicans want a balanced budget constitutional amendment to pass both chambers first and be referred to the states.

Never going to happen, but that's where we are. It makes you wonder if there's any compromise plan that can get through this House. That's why, even though my gut says there's no way the U.S. is stupid enough to default, I still can't see a clear, viable way out of this.

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where did you hear about them passing it?

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MSNBC lol....

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Kerry: 'We Can't Wait On The House Anymore,' Dem Changes 'Sensible'
Sen. John Kerry just told reporters that the Senate Democrats will have a proposal that "reflects a lot of Republican ideas that would be genuinely bipartisan."

"Regardless of what the House does, if the House votes, we'll vote on what the House does, but we can't wait on the House anymore," Kerry said. "We need to proceed."

"The markets are beginning to react obviously, the stakes are simply too high. I think there is a bipartisan path forward, I really believe that. If reasonable heads prevail, and I hope they will, we'll be able to send something over to the House that will be a real solution to America's fiscal crisis."

"I think it's up to Sen. Reid to lay out to you the changes... but I think there's sensible."

"I think this is an important point -- Speaker Boehner is struggling to get Republican votes for his Republican plan. Harry Reid is trying to get Republican votes for his Democratic plan. We're not struggling on the Democratic side. There's a civil war going on in the Republican Party."

Looks like House bill might pass today in altered form. One day after S&L swore it had passed. Lol
S&L: You cant believe his "facts". :)


Rules Committee To Hold Emergency Meeting On Boehner Debt Limit Bill
Top News Fri. 12:06 PM — The House Rules Committee will hold an emergency meeting Friday at 12:50 p.m. ET on Speaker Boehner's debt limit bill. Read more »

I readily acknowledge my mistake, and yes, I could have sworn it passed. I hope that makes you happy Lloyd. The compassionate liberal in me likes to make people happy.

Obama Says House Republicans are Wasting Time
President Obama, "warning that time is running out to lift the federal debt ceiling, said Friday that a House GOP plan has 'no chance of becoming law,' and he urged Senate Democrats and Republicans to come together on a "bipartisan compromise," the Washington Post reports.

"Obama spoke as House Republican leaders labored Friday to rescue a debt-limit plan opposed by their party's arch-conservatives. But he reiterated that the House leaders are wasting their time by trying to pass a measure that includes a short-term raise of the debt ceiling."

New York Times: "But there was no clear signal what the next step would be. Among the several possibilities were changes to the House bill, an attempt by Senate Democrats to leapfrog forward with their own plan or a new attempt to reach a compromise on the part of all the major players."

Corker: Multiple Debt Ceiling Hikes Bad For The Economy
The Washington Post's Greg Sargent reports:

This seems signfiicant: GOP Senator Bob Corker said on MSNBC just now that hiking the debt ceiling in stages -- as the House GOP plan calls for -- could fuel economic uncertainty, lending support to a key Democratic argument against the Boehner plan.

In essence it would act like a tax hike.

Bob Corker: More 'Healthy' To Extend Debt Ceiling Through 2012 Election

Posted: 7/29/11 11:18 AM ET

WASHINGTON -- GOP opposition to a deal that would extend the debt ceiling through the 2012 elections softened a bit on Friday as an influential Senate Republican said he supported the idea of putting off the issue for another year and a half.

Appearing on MSNBC, Sen. Bob Corker (R-Tenn.) said that in light of the drama and political theatrics of the past few weeks, it would not be "healthy" to have to raise the debt ceiling again in six months -- something that House Speaker John Boehner's (R-Ohio) bill would require.

"Well, I mean, I would love to see us go ahead and achieve all the savings that we can get right now," said Corker, who has played a leading role in his party in debt reduction conversations. "Again, I'd like, of course to push it towards $4 trillion, which is what the markets have said we need to do. But I do agree with the fact that having these debates in the middle of an economic downturn that we're having right now is not healthy, and there's no question that business people, those people that hire employees across our country, watch this and become uncertain."

"So, in a perfect world, and I know we're not in a perfect world, but if we can … over the next several days [get] something that actually achieves all those savings on the front end and also extends the debt limit beyond this next election, to me that would be a perfect solution and I hope we can do that," he said.

Those sentiments seemed to be echoed later Friday morning when a Senate GOP leadership aide told CNBC's John Harwood that the party would be comfortable extending the debt ceiling past the 2012 elections, provided that they had some sort of guarantee that a second round of spending cuts and entitlement reforms would take place.

The softening of the Senate GOP's position is a breakthrough of sorts in the debt ceiling debate. For days, House Republicans have argued that they would not sign off on a debt ceiling deal that put off another vote until after the election, accusing the President of simply trying to remove a potentially problematic political issue from the campaign docket. The most common argument has been that Congress has always extended the debt ceiling in smaller increments, making Boehner's bill the norm and Senator Harry Reid's bill -- which would push the vote until after 2012 -- the exception to the rule.

Yet looking at past debt ceiling votes, that hasn't always been the case. In May 2003, Congress passed a bill to raise the debt ceiling to $7.4 trillion. It was, at the time, the equivalent of an 18-month increase -- roughly the same time extension (not monetary extension) that Obama is requesting -- and it put the issue off through the 2004 election. (The next debt ceiling vote was held in November 2004).

Even Paul Ryan thinks S&L and the Republicans have gone too far to the right. The world has turned
upside down. LOL. Headline: S&L to the right of Paul Ryan. :)


FRI JUL 29, 2011 AT 09:30 AM PDT
Paul Ryan: Balanced Budget Amendment is not 'realistic'
byJoan McCarter
These are so not serious legislators. Paul Ryan, last night.


Speaking with Fox News host Greta Van Susteren, Ryan said it’s not “realistic” to expect that Democratic House Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and Senate Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) would force the large number of members needed to change the Constitution to “vote against their conscious”:
RYAN: What I never really agreed with is the idea that we would expect Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi to deliver 40 [and] 15 votes from Democrats for our version of the Balanced Budget Amendment. You know, I just never thought that was realistic, to demand Democrats vote against their conscious for our version of the Balanced Budget Amendment. So I just never thought that would work.
And that unrealistic option is precisely what is Speaker John Boehner is proposing, in the hopes, as ThinkProgress notes, that "the ensuing economic 'chaos' would force Democrats to switch their votes."

Just a reminder: a Constitutional Amendment would require a two-thirds majority, in both chambers of Congress. By August 2nd. Right.

Making the Case for Democrats
Glenn Thrush says the GOP has made the case against raising the debt ceiling in two phases:

"The last three days of Republican chaos, arm-twisting and ineffectual whipping are, from the perspective of Democrats -- and a growing number of conservatives -- a compelling argument for Harry Reid's do-it-all now $2.2 trillion extension."

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