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This thread is being launched so we can collectively gather information on were our taxes are going, in regards to the current stimulus package.
Is it pork?
Will it help our economy? If so how long?
Or will it slow down the economy, and damage it?
All comments and ideas are welcome, just try and keep it civil. :)
http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.js...nav=Groupspace
And I got this, but the link included in the top of the article does not give enough breakdown on where the buck stops, its to broad.
http://frontpagemagazine.com/Article...F-0902F5EE4281
http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/...nate_print.htm
whitehouse released video's today about stimulus
http://my.barackobama.com/page/s/kainestory
http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/recoveryvid
http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-epi...isodeId=217691
watch this episode plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
some of the wisest political commentary you can find and will give u some perspective.
It will be interesting to see where our money ends up once the dust settles. I think they could trim off a lot more pork from this bill, and save our money, for us to do with as we see fit.
Guess we wait and see for now. My guess is, it will only work temporarily, then who knows.
If our health care goes the way of Canada / Europe, its not good.
Even though our system is not perfect, its still the best care in the world!
People from around the world come to the US to get care that they can not get in their own countries.
This is not good in my eyes!!!
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aLzfDxfbwhzs
You are absolutely correct. It has been for shit in Canada and Europe for decades upon decades.Quote:
Originally Posted by dread
Don't think you are going to get a Doctor...M.D........you will get a state licensed technician for most of your ailments. The Doctor, if serious, will be 3 months down the road and then another 3 months minimum until he can take your case. Have you ever been in the military and sat out in the hall for most of the day? Well, it will be no different as you park your butt on that hard-ass bench waiting with your health records in your hand. Terrible.
Welcome to Socialism, comrade.
The pdf file for the new bailout package is 1.6mb / to big to post here.
But I have a link with the pdf in the article, for those who want to see where there money is going.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_160569.html
It adds up to about a billion per page.
This stimulus package is a f'g joke! It is everything the Libs have wanted, less building new schools, for the last 14 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by dread
It cracks me up..."Libs" in the market. Isn't that really quite contrarian? They are against the free market, but they want to invest in stocks....(banging head against the wall)....it just doesn't compute.
I am for a free market. The ONLY thing that pisses me off is outsourcing jobs.
For too many years, America has taken the position that "we will be the brain" and the rest of the world will do our jobs for us.
We lack manufacturing (our factories have closed). We are now the I.T. people and don't work for a living. No Sir, we don't want to get our hands dirty. If we had a war with China, I believe that we are dumb enough to give them the contract to build our airplanes.
I am not a protectionist, but we have given so much information and so much technology away that people are now self-sufficient and are running us out of the market place.
I think it is a great time to start manufacturing again and actually doing the work versus being cerebral. This would create jobs........tons of them. The stimulus package for filling potholes and bridges does NOTHING for people with an education. What about MBA's that are out of work....what about other professional people? It is just ass-in-nine.
What about college grads, like myself...am I supposed to go make a living next to an illegal alien? Standing around with a broom or shovel in my hand while 5 other "more qualified" people stand around supervising? Get real.
10 to 1 it will be illegal aliens doing the work. Great job, Congress! You just wasted my grand kids life and savings.
prior to election many presidents were quoted, and comparisons to previous ones were made. " ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country" must have fallen on deaf ears. i can't believe the ceo's sitting before our congress holding out thier tin cups for donations. all i can say to them is that "i gave at the office". thats my view for what it's worth.
Wasteful and Non-Stimulus Spending Provisions
• $2 billion earmark to re-start FutureGen, a near-zero emissions coal power plant in Illinois that the Dept. of Energy defunded last year because the project was inefficient
• A $246 million tax break for Hollywood movie producers to buy motion picture film
• $650 million for the digital television (DTV) converter box coupon program
• $88 million for the Coast Guard to design a new polar icebreaker (arctic ship)
• $448 million for constructing the Dept. of Homeland Security headquarters
• $248 million for furniture at the new Dept. of Homeland Security headquarters
• $600 million to buy hybrid vehicles for federal employees
• $400 million for the CDC to screen and prevent STD’s
• $1.4 billion for a rural waste disposal programs
• $150 million for Smithsonian museum facilities
• $1 billion for the 2010 Census, which has a projected cost overrun of $3 billion
• $75 million for “smoking cessation activities”
• $200 million for public computer centers at community colleges
• $75 million for salaries of employees at the FBI
• $25 million for tribal alcohol and substance abuse reduction
• $10 million to inspect canals in urban areas
• $6 billion to turn federal buildings into “green” buildings
• $500 million for state and local fire stations
• $650 million for wildland fire management on Forest Service lands
• $150 million for Smithsonian museum facilities
• $1.2 billion for “youth activities,” including youth summer job programs
• $88 million for renovating the headquarters of the Public Health Service
• $412 million for CDC buildings and property
• $500 million for building and repairing NIH facilities in Bethesda, MD
• $160 million for “paid volunteers” at the Corporation for National and Community Service
• $5.5 million for “energy efficiency initiatives” at the VA “National Cemetery Administration”
• $850 million for Amtrak
• $100 million for reducing the hazard of lead-based paint
• $75M to construct a new “security training” facility for State Dept Security officers when they can be trained at existing facilities of other agencies.
• $110 million to the Farm Service Agency to upgrade computer systems
• $200 million in funding for the lease of alternative energy vehicles for use on military installations.
• State Medicaid Bailout: $87.7 billion Through 3 different mechanisms, the bill would provide additional federal funds to state Medicaid programs over the next 3 years. This is nearly $70 billion more than the governors asked President Obama for in December, and should be a loan to be repaid by the states.
Spending money we don't have and can't afford!!!!
This Stimulus Bill is a crock of crap!! And to think we have 4 more years of such fun yet to experience!!!
I can see that some of these programs will be good, we just can't afford any of this right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hairnationlover
Its not the time for pet projects, and with global warming, why would we need an ice breaker lol!!!
It's a joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by dread
We have once again been bamboozled by the "suits" in Dc.
For Obama to tell us that there is "no pork and no earmarks" in this bill is an insult and a flat blatant lie. This thing is nothing more that Congress beating their own system by not having to discuss spending. Where most of these new plans have been shot down for decades. If this was the way to go you wouldn't have had o house Republicans and 11 House Dems voting against. Only 3 Republican Senators voted for it. But now we get to pay dearly for them. And our kids and their kids.
I think this will guarantee Obama will be a one term dude.
Well depending on what state you live in you might not have to worry!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Koop
For one thing, and I find this funny, this bill is unconstitutional!!!!!
HCR 6 / is being moved through certain states.
http://www.pinzler.com/ushistory/kenressupp.html
A number of states are adopting a form of the Kentucky resolution.
I have been following this for weeks now, and the media is finally picking it up. Not that it matters, damn socialists!!!
Basically in simple terms, the states tell the federal government what to do, not the other way around.
Say you need more fire fighters or cops in your town, the town pays for it, not the feds!! Its a local issue.
This bill will tax someone in Texas, for a bridge in Boston.
So by law this succubus package is unconstitutional!!
A growing number of states are declaring sovereignty. Washington, New Hampshire, Arizona, Montana, Michigan, Missouri, Oklahoma, California, and Georgia have all introduced bills and resolutions declaring sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment at one time or another. Colorado, Hawaii, Pennsylvania, Arkansas, Idaho, Indiana, Alaska, Kansas, Alabama, Nevada, Maine, and Illinois are considering such measures.http://freestateproject.org/node/16098
Forget about Illinois, trust me, I live here!!
The funny thing is they are already working on another succubus package.
dread,Quote:
Originally Posted by dread
There is no State that will not take money from DC, IMO. Especially in this vortex the econony is in. I agree with your post but reality is that the gov doesn't function in reality.
Ya know what I don't get... if stimulus is the goal, how come the average Joe will only get appx. $18 more in their paychecks...why the hell not DO AWAY with taxes for a while and let the peeps use all the money they earn?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090219/...g_the_stimulusQuote:
Originally Posted by Koop
They don't want to cut taxes because it is proven to work. You put more money in the hands of the people and they will spend/save more.
The way I see it, the free markets are actually working. People are saving their money now and spending less. This administration does not see this nor will they acknowledge it either!!
Cutting capitol gains tax, corporate tax, small business tax, and so on, will create more jobs, and add to the GDP. This succubus package creates temp jobs, and those jobs do not add to the GDP.
HOW TO START EACH DAY WITH A POSITIVE OUTLOOK
>
> 1. Open a new file in your computer.
> 2 Name it ' Barack Obama '.
> 3. Send it to the Recycle Bin .
> 4. Empty the Recycle Bin.
> 5. Your PC will ask you: 'Do you really want to get
> rid of 'Barack Obama?'
> 6. Firmly Click 'Yes.'
> 7. Feel better?
> GOOD! - Tomorrow we'll do Nancy Pelosi.:D
My buddy out west sent me that one 2 weeks ago!!! NICE!!! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Koop
Damn, I guess the West is more progressive than us in the East as it appears we get our e-jokes late. :)