Good article. Wouldn't that be great if his $10+ prediction
came true. :D Who wrote it, or where did you find it?
Julie
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Good article. Wouldn't that be great if his $10+ prediction
came true. :D Who wrote it, or where did you find it?
Julie
http://www.thedeal.com/dealscape/200...d_by_gm_fi.php
its from here julie its actually a comment at the bottom.
Thanks Tripp. I hope his positive outlook will be right on.Quote:
Originally Posted by trippingthespeculatingpos
China is not the darling of the Green movement. just because you say its soQuote:
Originally Posted by underway
doesnt make it true. I have traveled to China several times over the years
and know more than you do what the pollution levels are like over there.
They are doing what i would give anything to stop and that is using coal as their main form of energy.
Environmentalists point to China as the last chance to stop further damage to our planet. 1 billion gas guzzling cars would be a disaster and thats why
people cheer the possiblility that electric cars might become a big part of their market. You know absolutely nothing about what you are talking about
and i am kind of disgusted by your ridiculous disinformation campaign. when
do you ever care about pollution levels in this country or anywhere else. You
are probably the type that has always doubted the concept of global warming. I quess you didnt read the recent (Saturday or Sunday NY times)
article about a new generation Nuclear plant in Finland being built by the
French that Is WAY over budget and having lots of problems. Read it and
educate yourself about the truth for once.
Yes, educate yourself!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by lloyd Handwerker
http://clubs.ccsu.edu/Recorder/edito...asp?NewsID=188
Building a Toyota Prius causes more environmental damage than a Hummer that is on the road for three times longer than a Prius. As already noted, the Prius is partly driven by a battery which contains nickel. The nickel is mined and smelted at a plant in Sudbury, Ontario. This plant has caused so much environmental damage to the surrounding environment that NASA has used the ‘dead zone’ around the plant to test moon rovers. The area around the plant is devoid of any life for miles.
The plant is the source of all the nickel found in a Prius’ battery and Toyota purchases 1,000 tons annually. Dubbed the Superstack, the plague-factory has spread sulfur dioxide across northern Ontario, becoming every environmentalist’s nightmare.
“The acid rain around Sudbury was so bad it destroyed all the plants and the soil slid down off the hillside,” said Canadian Greenpeace energy-coordinator David Martin during an interview with Mail, a British-based newspaper.
If you Seriously believe that the Prius is more damaging to the environment than the Hummer you are beyond looney tunes.Quote:
Originally Posted by dread
I suppose that is why every environmental organization (including Greenpeace by the way) wants the automobile industry to move away from gas guzzlers to hybrids, hybrid electrics and full electrics. Educate yourself please.
The facts are there are better and worse choices no perfect choices.
If you supported GM and the Hummer mentality then its no wonder that
you continue too push your ideological rigidity on the world
So what you are saying is that if you were running the world and GM your
product of choice would be the Hummer? Funny because GM is about to unload the brand in a fire sale.
"On Jan. 21, 1988 a General Motors executive named Elmer Johnson wrote a
brave and prophetic memo. its main point was contined in the sentence.'We
have vastly underestimated how deeply ingrained are the organizational and cultural rigidities that hamper our ability to execute"
David Brooks - "over the last five decades, this company has progressively lost touch with car buyers, especially the educated car buyers who flock to
European and Japanese brands. Over five decades this company has tolerated labor practices that seem insane to outsiders. Over these decades, it has tolerated bureaucratic structujres that repel top talent. it has evaded the relentless quality focus that has helped companies like Toyota prosper. As a
result GM has steadily lost US market share, from 54% to 19%.
The point is that anyone who believes this GM result wasnt knowable 10 years ago has got their heads stuck in the sand.:p
Its not what I believe, I don't care nor will I change my habits either, but what many others do believe. If you actually read the article, green peace is mentioned, big dummy!!! Here is another opinion piece. http://hubpages.com/hub/PriusQuote:
Originally Posted by lloyd Handwerker
First of all, prove to me that global warming is real, and not just cyclical sun cycles!!!
YOU CANNOT!! You can only pump out opinions, no facts!!!
http://www.climatepolice.com/
Second of all, I do educate myself, you are clearly not a mechanic, nor do you have any back round in said industry. You might want to look into the turbo, and how it has improved the diesel engine over the years. You march around the site and tell everyone else to go get educated, you are no friend to our country, and Constitution, but you are a joke!! You may want to educate yourself on history to begin with. Start by asking Russia how things are going over there.
Third of all, I was calling for GM, BK months ago, no bailout money, no nothing, let them fail. Free markets always determine this.
Fourth, no one wants to buy these tin foil death traps, so now they are going to artificially inflate fuel prices through taxes and other means. Forcing people to buy this crap. http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009...rillin/?page=2 I will not, especially when you get crushed in your tin foil car, then when you go to the hospital, your own government will decide if you are worth saving or not through national health care.
Honestly, you people are so self righteous, hell you can't even save yourselves, let alone the planet. CO2 a pollutant? Give me a break!!! You think you can control and dictate everyone in order to create a utopia. Apparently you live in a fantasy world, word of advice, FACE REALITY!!
Oh, and your great progressive Al Gore, who I remind you, invented the internet, is heavily vested in this green agenda, along with GE and others whom seek to profit off of your stupidity.
I am not going to waste my time trying to convince any of you brain dead obama-bot zombies anymore!!! I will say this!!! Get the hell out of my country!!!!! :)
Everyone else, have a good night, and good luck trading!!! :)
Well lets see, tomorrow ford reports sales for may and so should the others.
I see volvo has a decent online area to help people through the activation process...and it even mentions the best of xm for four bucks.
and the telematics show begins today,i hope it brings good news that works for siriusxm and the current shareholders and traders.
Quote:
Originally Posted by lloyd Handwerker
lloyd Handwerker, you really need to get your head out of your ass. Every environmental organization (including Greenpeace by the way) loved the idea of ethenal until they realized it was worse for the environment then oil. Ho but we dont blame them for pushing it do we because their intentions were good thats all that matters isn't it. Forget the fact it caused people to die of starvation and take more energy to make then is put out. Conservatives told you nut jobs this many times but you thought we were crazy. Ho by the way how many of those people that said we cause global warming used to say we were headed for a ice age 20 years ago. You notice how I said "said" before thats because you better get up to speed with your wack job buddies because that term global warming has now changed to global climate change. You want to know why that is, well it is because the same people that used to say it was going to be warming are now saying it is going to get colder causing a new ice age. Cant blame them for that one though seeing how we are going to have lower temp. then normal for the next 12 to 20 years. You want to know why it is not because of us but guess why???????????? thats right the sun. You see the sun has 7 and 100 year cycles to it where it is less active and the 7 and 100 year cycle are hitting at the exact same time. I bet you did not know that just before the little ice age that ended in the 19 century the average temp. was higher then it is now. Just so you know that was in the 14th century, so I ask what industry did we have back then to cause the temp. to go up so mush? because I cant think of any.
just read a small article via bloom-berg on gm and within the second or third sentence it laid the blame for this mess on the gm culture and failure of management to embrace the consumer demand for small fuel efficient models when consumers were asking.
Quote:
Originally Posted by tim wallick
Tim I'm sorry but that makes no sense whatsoever because the consumers were asking for SUVs up till the fuel prices hit over 3 bucks a gallon. It takes longer then a year or two to put new products out. You cant expect the company to turn on a dime and start to spitting out Pintos, and chevettes (well maybe the Pinto).
Quote:
Originally Posted by john
well what i read said it actually happened about ten years ago and gm just dropped the ball on this issue.
edit
john
in the context of the current issue i think your statement is correct in general.
what i read i think is fact.
Quote:
Originally Posted by tim wallick
Then maybe you can answer this, if that is what people wanted 10 years ago why where SUVs the top selling auto. You cant explan it can you, thats because that Bloomburg piece is a load of crap.
for a period of a few months people wanted small cars that ran on air, that was when gas was over $4 a gallon. If fuel cost is out of the question people "want" comfort. Plain and simple.
John I'm not really sure,Quote:
Originally Posted by john
but in general with it taking five years from concept to building and sales..it could have some merit to the statement I'm not saying a larger percentage of sales would or could have been effected or replaced by small cars sales but clearly in the context of time required to market they missed the ball as they had no other small efficient model to sale period.
un-less you count bk as a new efficient vehicle model......... lol
the only non polutive solution is HOD, hydrogen on demand, derived from sources like borax combined with water, that generates hydrogen and by product is water. It exists and is in use in the army's batteries right now. Mostly in testing though. They can actually use urin and borax for soldiers in the field that don't want to waste drinking water.
Company is/was called Millenium Cell.
Quote:
Originally Posted by tim wallick
Tim the only reason Toyota had the small cars was because of the country they are from and sold to most. That is also why they were criticized for missing out on the SUV market because they had none to sell to start with. The same gos for BMW, and all the rest of the foreign car makers. They sold the type of car to the market they sell the most in, like Europe, and Asia where fuel prices were always very high (and for the most part artificially made so by government taxes on fuel). We did not have that proplem here and noone could predict that speculators would push the price of oil so high so fast. Take speculation (or democrats) out of the equation and fuel would still be 2 dollars or less a gallon and SUVs would still be popular.
P.S. Why would any OEM sink money into a car noone wanted. I say that because if there was one thing that was clear is that nobody in the USA (or so few they were not worth counting) wanted a pinto type car.
Prove to me the earth is round. Oh i forgot you still believe its flat:DQuote:
Originally Posted by dread
I dont have to prove to you that global warming exists. Almost every
SCIENTIST out there studying the subject says it exist. But i know you
will believe the few who say otherwise because you cant bear to admit
that you might be wrong in your ideological rigidity.
Have a nice day. And please stay in my country and educate yourself.:p
That was their mistake. You dont give consumers what they want, you tell them what they want, then you give it to them. GM should have been telling the American people they want better gas mileage cars years ago. Advertise it, sell it. Instead they pushed what they wanted to push, their gas guzzlers. Which is fine, if they arent paying 10000 80 year old men to do nothing. And over paying fat supplier contracts that these companies now NEED, because they grew into them. Sorry Tim, but do you really think people DEMANED cable tv? Did they DEMAND cell phones. No, they didnt. But Verizon(GTE), convinced everyone they needed one, so soon enough, everyone needed one. The product sold itself after it became cheap and had a large network. But you should see the first purchasers. Huge phones . Expensive, and they could only be used in a limited area. People were not running out and DEMANDING cell phones.Quote:
Originally Posted by john
Did Americans in 1920 DEMAND cars. Of course not, but the invention spoke for itself.
The American people are stupid. You dont give them what they want, you tell them what they want. And if it turns out to be a great product, look out!!
All that being said, GM supplies an industry with trucks that does NEED them. They would have always sold new trucks. SUV's..... Maybe not.