Take A Look At The 12b-25 Ext: What Does It Reveal?

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03-04-2009, 10:16 PM
tucknroll

thanks brandon, i've been following these posts for the past year and now i'm ready to get out of this pig again. it never ends for us shareholders...:(
03-04-2009, 10:18 PM
mogami

BK

when they say "the common is wiped out" it means you get pennies per share.
We are already trading pennies per share. How scared can you get?
03-04-2009, 10:19 PM
Siriusowner

Quote:

Originally Posted by mogami

For future use. When looking at a stock to buy you want the company to have at least 2 years operating expense COH.

(edit saves us high school dropouts from looking like bad spellers)

Not only COH but no debt, a clean balance sheet... and of course growth potential.
03-04-2009, 10:19 PM
Siriusowner

Quote:

Originally Posted by mogami

when they say "the common is wiped out" it means you get pennies per share.
We are already trading pennies per share. How scared can you get?

You get whatever equity is left (sometimes not even pennies).

Edit: Actually, most of the time (99% of the time?) you get nothing.

ps: last time a read the balance sheet the equity was 15,000 K ? add the other assets, subtract the debt and divide it by the shares outstanding and that is what you would get. I think Newman came up with a number a few months ago...It most likely changed.
03-04-2009, 10:20 PM
choirgirl

So what are we going to do ? Should we sell or stay calm and wait ?

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Originally Posted by cos1000

I disagree, May $250M is the only problem IMHO.... They already made a deal with Malone / Liberty to take care of economic downturn to some recovery by end of 2009 and now debt due now in 2010. The only thing in the way is Moving out or Paying off the $250M. Malone agreed to pay the $100M and have Liberty take it on as part of phase II. So what does that leave????
03-04-2009, 10:20 PM
homer985

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Originally Posted by yomann

I will buy if the media puts a twist into this and uses it to squeeze more longs out sending the sp to sub .07 yo

This filing came out 2 days ago - it is essentially old news. Furthermore, I read an article 2 weeks ago stating the whole "going concern" issue. While it is disturbing to read it in the SEC filing - it is not the first I'm hearing about it.

IMHO, it is why the pps is at $0.13.

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03-04-2009, 10:20 PM
JohnnyIrishXM

Cos you are somewhat right,but that leaves 150m right,and don't forget ergen has the sept converts 225m i beleive,but the accountants want to see
EBITDA pos for 09 to take care of that,and i beleive with out cost certainty with regard to content it is not getting KMPG to leave out the going concern lang
03-04-2009, 10:21 PM
homer985

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Originally Posted by Brandon Matthews

Conclusion: BK prior to the 17th. You heard it here first.

Disagree significantly
03-04-2009, 10:23 PM
imromo24

more importantly, who should rihanna date? chris brown or kanye west?

ok, jk...

chicken and egg is it, could it be purely coincidental that the deal is based off of that verbage and that verbage would cause default?

I am very excited that the previous posted definition of going concern allows future consideration and not just the quarter in question.
03-04-2009, 10:24 PM
mogami

perfect

Quote:

Originally Posted by Siriusowner

Not only COH but no debt, a clean balance sheet... and of course growth potential.

Hi, Well some debt is allowed if they have it under control and assuming it allowed for the growth your looking for. I look for stocks that have not yet reached their peak. If the company can operate at a loss for two years and then realize their potentional I am going to give it a look.
How many really good companies, ideas, products have failed because they could not weather a storm?

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