Slacker Sucks Thread. People who want to bag on Slacker and Pandora.

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Originally Posted by TSavery

Relmor

You are saying that coke does not compete with water or juice, and that their market is soda.

What coke did was realize that soda is a beverage and that they indeed competed with water and juice. As soda lost market share it became important to see it and respond. Coke did this by getting into these other markets.

Switch to autos. Does ford make only sedans? Trucks are a diff. Market, yet ford makes and sells truck. Does an f150 compete with a chevy malibu? In a narrow focus it does not. On a broader focus it does. the truck market has grown over the years. This is why toyota, nissan, honda, etc. Have entered those markets.

Can you please address why sirius xm calls mp3's and services like slacker as competition and you don't?

Sdars is awesome, but needs to know, and understad every aspect of what consumers are using for audio entertainment just like coke did with beverages

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SiriusXM is naming them as competition because they must carry the rhetoric from the merger forward.

Sounds like to me, from what Im hearing, that Slacker is much better than Pandora. Pandora should be worried. Slacker is THEIR competition.

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertain...s_us_beam.html

Loves it. Brought a customer over in this article from terrestrial radio(competition). He might even use Slacker. But since the article is about a different market, gets no mention. This writer knows the score.

both use satellites in the context of a bent pipe to pass on received signals in the form of digital content. its not a big deal to add live.actually using spare capacity on others birds has been going for ever it a cheap way to to enter a market. go read the fcc license where they define the market clearly as aural or for the ear, enough said! these services are more alike then dislike and as time pass they will all either migrate to unique owned or controlled material or syndicated crap in the form of regional or national material.

and that my friend will set the real operators apart form those that only pretend to be in the audio and video business/sector which includes all digital delivery platforms.

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Originally Posted by tim wallick

both use satellites in the context of a bent pipe to pass on received signals in the form of digital content. its not a big deal to add live.actually using spare capacity on others birds has been going for ever it a cheap way to to enter a market. go read the fcc license where they define the market clearly as aural or for the ear, enough said! these services are more alike then dislike and as time pass they will all either migrate to unique owned or controlled material or syndicated crap in the form of regional or national material.

and that my friend will set the real operators apart form those that only pretend to be in the audio and video business/sector which includes all digital delivery platforms.

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Thanks for your input. Well Tim, I think that is obvious. Its not "for the eyes" after all. It is sound. Whats your point? And they are not more alike than dislike. You havent made your case on that. Tylers little bubble chart is a joke, as I proved.

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Originally Posted by relmor2003

SiriusXM is naming them as competition because they must carry the rhetoric from the merger forward.

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yup. sure thing...slacker/pandora, etc, are competition. But that doesn't mean they are positioned to crush S-XM. Just like coke vs. water or juice. Yes, all beverages. But, very different drinks. Is one mutually exclusive to the other? No way. Sure, there are a few people who NEVER drink coke, and pick 'natural' juice or water. But, the bulk of the market drink all of these. Same with entertainment. Hey, as long as slacker and pandora are 'free', no harm having both of those AND S-XM! If it's free, hell, I'll take THREE! The content is so different that there's no way millions of listeners are going to say I'll use a 'free' music service over S-XM subscription for sports, Howard, etc. Very different....like water and coke. The only similarity is they're both liquids.

Most people that don't subscribe to sXm don't understand is when an someone says "I love Bob Dylans radio hour" ...that it is actually bob dylan doing the talking. and not just Bob dylan songs...

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Originally Posted by underway

yup. sure thing...slacker/pandora, etc, are competition. But that doesn't mean they are positioned to crush S-XM. Just like coke vs. water or juice. Yes, all beverages. But, very different drinks. Is one mutually exclusive to the other? No way. Sure, there are a few people who NEVER drink coke, and pick 'natural' juice or water. But, the bulk of the market drink all of these. Same with entertainment. Hey, as long as slacker and pandora are 'free', no harm having both of those AND S-XM! If it's free, hell, I'll take THREE! The content is so different that there's no way millions of listeners are going to say I'll use a 'free' music service over S-XM subscription for sports, Howard, etc. Very different....like water and coke. The only similarity is they're both liquids.

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What Ive been trying to say. But calling it "competition" as my point was, is a loose term. Sure, its competition, as you said, as Coke is to water. Sure... They take some dollars away at times. Sentiment shifts from healthy to not so much, etc....
Still doesnt make Dasani a competitor of Pepsi, or Coors.

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Originally Posted by imromo24

Most people that don't subscribe to sXm don't understand is when an someone says "I love Bob Dylans radio hour" ...that it is actually bob dylan doing the talking. and not just Bob dylan songs...

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Another good point. Thanks for the input.:D

IF Slacker is a direct competitor to SiriusXM , then so is Blockbuster to DirectTV. Blockbuster offers movies. DirectTV offers movies. Similar services. Yet completely different. Id say Blockbuster doesnt even compete with Netflix... Hollywood Video does, and small mom and pop video stores. Will Neflix, and pay per view kill the Check out video market.... Now thats possible. That would be technology killing then, like a tape player becoming outdated. Netflix competes in the entertainment industry. So Nexflix is also a competitor to SiriusXM then.
Now if you said, the Slacker technology will kill Satellite Radio....
I would say make your case... But I wouldnt agree. Not at this date and time.
This is a rare case, where technology can literally destroy an existing market.
Would the content demands of consumers be filled with Slacker, and Pandora? Dont seem to be able to at this time. So I will say thats not argueable at this point.
Netflix does take money from Blockbuster though. Yet both offer something the other could never offer. Actually Blockbuster is more like SiriusXM like Slacker is to SiriusXM. Netflix is a kind of new service, that is attempting to make the old service obsolute. But Blockbuster does have an online video store now, and will ship you movies. See, they have the infrastructure and the name. ANd the dollars. They can go into that service. Netflix cant do what blockbuster can do. SiriusXM will one day soon be able to provide im sure a personalized play list, or station. But they could never afford to hire Stern. Or have the coverage sats provide. Live sports... etc... I can go on and on..

I watch alot less TV now that I have a portable XM device. I prefer to listen and do yardwork or bike or walk than sit and watch TV.

In my case Sirius XM is a competitor to Directv....well, not really because I still keep my video service through Directv because SXM doesn't do video.

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Originally Posted by imromo24

I watch alot less TV now that I have a portable XM device. I prefer to listen and do yardwork or bike or walk than sit and watch TV.

In my case Sirius XM is a competitor to Directv....well, not really because I still keep my video service through Directv because SXM doesn't do video.

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Here that Charles. Add DirectTV to SiriusXM list of THREATS. Even though its not the same thing. This gentleman is stating DirecTV time is hurting because of SiriusXM. Looks like some market share loss for DirectTV to SiriusXM is coming....
YA BABY YA!!!!

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Originally Posted by trippingthespeculatingpos

charles dont question my emotional state plz, i know where ur coming from ive heard it a million times.

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That was not directed at you directly. I said "guys" in general.

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Originally Posted by trippingthespeculatingpos

my problem charles is u are always always always complaining. k, nothing sirius has done since ive been wathcing this site has impressed u. if u have u failed to mention it or i never saw it.

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You never saw it.

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Originally Posted by trippingthespeculatingpos

if u followed this company from early times it should amaze u that they have the largest revenue out there for any radio company, that they now have 15 million self paying subs and that they pretty much have done what so many said they could never do.

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None of the should impress subscribers. I am a fan of the service first who happens to be a stockholder second.

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Originally Posted by trippingthespeculatingpos

maybe its the stock price that has u so negative, and so down on the company. the stock price is a joke, its a result of the ****ed up merger process and mel having to do that ugly financing on top of the media who at every turn has an agenda to take satrad down.

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The price of this stock no longer effects my life in the slightest.

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Originally Posted by trippingthespeculatingpos

You cant compare every situation and company to netflix, there is only 1 netflix. I have also heard alot of bad things about the netflix system, like getting messed up dvd's on a regular basis.

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There sure is only one and they are doing a great job. They are the flavor of the week right now and the second the go in the wrong direction I will be critical of them as well, as of yet, that has not happened. I can only speak to the fact that they have never wronged me yet but, i am sure some people have had problems, much like people who come here complaining about Sirius XM to no end, whether it be incorrect billing or terrible customer service.

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Originally Posted by relmor2003

Your confusing the company with many brands and products with SiriusXM. Yes Coke did start bottling water, but its still not in the soft drink market. When I go to the restraurant and I want to order a soda, i dont order a disani. I order coke or pepsi. Pepsi is coke's competitor. Not water.Now if SiriusXM would like to add features than people like , they can. But Slacker can never do what SiriusXM does.

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Nicorete is in a different market then cigarettes. Tell me they don't compete.

You are walking in and ordering a coke if you want a soda because you want a soda, A LOT of people decided they would stop drinking soda and start drinking bottled water instead. Thus they compete in the overall market of "beverages" or "liquid refreshment" if you will... just like slacker and sirius don't compete in the field of SATRAD but, instead they compete in the music entertainment market and even in the larger field of entertainment in gerenal.

People stopped listening to radio as much when the tv was invented. People stopped watching tv as much when the internet was invented. Kids stopped watching as many movies when next generation gaming systems (xbox/playstation) were invented. Entertainment has an always will compete with all types and forms of entertaiment. Nevermind the fact that slacker and sirius xm are both in the audio entertainment business.

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Originally Posted by relmor2003

Charles and Tyler then about how its competition. When they rake in 600 million dollars in revenue, then they can be considered competition. Until then, they are not competition. If they are they are competition like anything is that competes for your time, energy , and money. Which would then have to take into account hobbies, personal life, kids, and profession.

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The numbers do not have anything to do with the fact that they are competing for customers. If you offer free beers at your bar and make $0 but that cuts my bars business, then we are competing.

That being said, your numbers specifically don't mean anything. If Pandora could bring in 100 million with only 30 employees and zero debt or costs, that would be just as impressive.

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Originally Posted by relmor2003

No Charles you know whats WEIRD, is your attitude in trying to convince me Slacker is competition. Thats weird. I proved to you 100 different times its not. HD radio is competition.

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No, you think you proved it 100 different times, which is even scarier. Anything I can play through headphones competes with anything I can play through headphones because people can only listen to one thing through their headphones at time. Walk around the city and look at all the different kinds of devices out there, all competition. Until you can tell me that people dont ever change what services they subscribe to or prove to me that people can listen and enjoy two things at the same time, you have proven nothing to me.

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Originally Posted by relmor2003

None of the above are competition. Different market. Cant have competition from a different market. Get that into your head Charles, and Tyler. Quite being obtuse.

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Good, we agree. Good thing all of these services are in the audio entertainment market.

Where can I rate this thread 5 stars? :D It's funny.

Thanks for finally agreeing with me charles. You now realize my point. Thank you. I think Im done here. Apples and Oranges. Yes, everything competes with everything. Nice taoism ending there.

Maybe you are trying to be ironic but, you are falling short on being funny here.

Everything does not compete with everything. Audio entertainment companies compete with audio entertainment companies. My point is that entertainment companies compete at a very high level never mind the fact that these two companies are in a much smaller sub market... thus... as you know... they are directly competing for listeners. Again, The guys at Sirius XM corporate wouldn't even try and make they argument you are trying to make.

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Originally Posted by SiriusBuzz

Maybe you are trying to be ironic but, you are falling short on being funny here.

Everything does not compete with everything. Audio entertainment companies compete with audio entertainment companies. My point is that entertainment companies compete at a very high level never mind the fact that these two companies are in a much smaller sub market... thus... as you know... they are directly competing for listeners. Again, The guys at Sirius XM corporate wouldn't even try and make they argument you are trying to make.

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Yes, we agree. Not ironic. Its good. We agree, Slacker competes with SiriusXM. Like Coke does to water. Yes, got it.:D