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Oh thanks for that Candleman. Maybe i should start watching Fox news more often. They got it right on affixing responsibility to BP for the spill? Wow maybe John only believes Fox when it affirms his viewpoint. Either that or he follows Beck and Palin even more than Fox. No wonder why he is so full of shit. LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by candleman
Candleman i just uncovered another LIE by JOHN. He says and i quote "... NO ONE (he actually wrote NOONE but then we know he cant spell) of the main stream media was reporting on the giant plumes underwater"
I just googled CNN and water plumes and guess what came up? A whole bunch of articles and clips on CNN on underwater oil plumes. I know if i google CBS, ABC, MSNBC, etc there is going to be a ton of coverage.
This guy has definitely swallowed way too much oil or something because he stinks to high heaven.
I think and hope he actually meant to say that No one wrote about the plumes in the main stream media before the oil hit the shore.
Havakasha, I knew you'd find those facts interesting.
I was just trying to have a little fun with you. I hope you don't mind!
I have started following FOX News online and it's amazing how opinionated it is. But, every now and then, they actually DO report facts. I wanted to point that out when I found one.
This tragic episode in American history doesn't need to be political like JOHN tries to make it out to be. It's a problem caused by ALL of us and our greedy nature to consume more oil than any other people on the planet. That's not political, that's just a fact.
Every single American that drinks water from a plastic throw away bottle is guilty. Every American that drives a vehicle that gets less than 25 miles per gallon is just as guilty. Every American that keeps thier house or workplace below 78 degrees in the summer is just as guilty.
If Americans were more conservative, we could get along with 25% less oil each year and that alone would eliminate our need for off shore drilling. That's my opinion, but I think it's also a fact.
Chuck
Check this out Havakasha.
WASHINGTON (AP) — A leading House Republican accused the White House Thursday of a "$20 billion shakedown" of oil giant BP by requiring the company to establish a huge fund to compensate those hurt by the Gulf Coast oil spill.
Rep. Joe Barton made the assertion at the outset of a House hearing where BP's chief executive officer, Tony Hayward, was appearing for the first time before Congress.
Facing Hayward at the witness table, the Texas Republican congressman said, "I'm ashamed of what happened in the White House" on Wednesday. Barton was referring to the agreement that President Barack Obama announced with BP for establishment of a $20 billion relief fund.
Rep. Ed Markey sharply disagreed with Barton.
Markey said the compensation fund was "not a slush fund, not a shakedown. ... It was the government of the United States working to protect the most vulnerable citizens that we have in our country right now, the residents of the Gulf."
"It's BP's spill," the Massachusetts Democrat said, "but it is America's ocean, and it is America's citizens who are being harmed. ... No, this is not a shakedown of the company."
"This is, in my opinion, the American government working at its best."
Havakasha, I own about 2200 shares of BP. It's my company and I'm ashamed of this spill. I think it was awsome that the United States is holding my company accountable for the unsafe operation of a drilling platform and the damage that has caused to the United States of America. I don't deserve a dividend and I don't deserve any profit from this company for quite some time. It's too bad that the Texan doesn't feel that same way!
Yep Candleman i posted an article about this in the politics thread.
Is Mr. Barton suggesting the taxpayer should pay for this mess? If not
there is only one option, and that is that BP pay for it since they caused it.
It seems completely reasonable that a fund be established that GUARANTEES THAT THE MONEY WILL BE THERE FOR THE CLEANUP AND TO PAY THE BUSINESSES DAMAGED BY THIS DISASTER.
I am still waiting for John to weigh in on this. Should we expect him to agree
with wacky Michelle Bachman that this is "a redistribution of wealth"? LOL.
Hey Candleman I promised to do my research.LOL
You know how i caught John trying to squirm his way out of the Beck lie about any other media except Fox showing the Israeli flotilla videos right? Stewart clearly shows that EVERY mainstream media showed Israeli footage of the attack on their men boarding the flotilla. Well, I think i figured out that he and Beck were trying to suggest that the mainstream media was biased against Israel. So i was curious what the Gaza activists thought and what is really interesting is that they are furious at the American mainstream media because they thought they showed BIAS TOWARD ISRAELI. So how do we square this?
Here are a few examples of what the gaza activists reported on US mainstream media bias toward Israel.
"ON JUNE 1, CNN HIGHLIGHTED ISRAELI'S SIDE OF THE FLOTILLA ATTACK, AIRING ISRAELI VIDEO. IT ALSO AIRED THE UN DEPUTY AMBASSADOR SAYING THE PASSENGERS 'ARE NOT PEACE ACTIVISTS. THEY WERE NOT MESSENGERS OF GOODWILL". IT THEN REPORTED THE IDF SAYING THEIR TROOPS "WERE MET WITH PREMEDITATED VIOLENCE, EVIDENT BY THE ACTIVISTS USE OF CLUBS, METAL RODS , AND KNIVES, AS WELL A S THE FIRING OF TWO WEAPONS STOLEN FROM THE SOLDIERS.' ISRAELIS FORCES RESPONDED WITH DEFENSIVE ACTION (FEARING ) THEIR LIVES WERE ENDANGERED, ' AND SEVEN WERE WOUNDED.
"CNN AIRED ISRAELI VIDEO, NOT WHAT ACTIVISTS SHOT THAT SHOWED A TRUE VERSION OF WHAT HAPPENED AND THEN REPORTED THE FOLLOWING:
A SENIOR ISRAELI MILITARY OFFICIAL, SPEAKING ON CONDITION OF ANONYMITY IN AN ACOOUNT CLEARED BY MILITARY CENSORS, DISPLAYED A BOX CONTAINING SWITCHBLADE KNIVES, SLINGSHOTS WITH METAL BALLS AND BATS HE SAID HAD BEEN CONFISCATED FROM ONE OF THE BOATS. 'THIS WAS NOT SPONTANEOUS', HE SAID. 'THS WAS PLANNED'
Washington Post
"The Israeli commandos who landed on the deck of the Turkish ferry Mavi Marmara off the coast of the gaza strip early Monday were totally unprepared for what they encoutered: dozens of militants who swarmed around them with knives and iron bars.... We have no sympathy for the motives of the participants in the flotilla-a motley collection that includes European sympathizers with the Palestinian cause, Israeli Arab leaders and Turkish Islamic activists... some with ties to Hamas and al-qaeda.
"In typical New York Times fashion, their editorial suggested that the activists provoked violence, and welcomed when it came.
THE EDITORIAL ALSO TO REFERRED TO ISRAEL'S VIDEO SUGGESTING ITS FORCES WERE ATTACKED, and that Hamas "seized control of the Gaza Strip in 2007- not its legitimacy ...
Washington Post.
"Upon touching down, the Israeli commandos, who were equipped with paint guns and pistols, were assaulted with steel poles, knives and pepper spray. VIDEO SHOWED AT LEAST ONE COMMANDO BEING LIFTED UP AND DUMPED FROM THE SHIP'S UPPER DECK TO THE LOWER DECK. SOME COMMANDOS LATER SAID THEY JUMPED IN THE WATER TO ESCAPE BEING BEATEN. THE ISRAELI MILITARY SAID SOME OF THE DEMONSTRATORS FIRED LIVE AMMUNITION. THE ISRAELI OFFICIALS SAID THE ACTIVISTS HAD FIRED TWO
GUNS STOLEN FROM THE TROOPS."
These are just a few of the articles and video clips that the Gazan activists complained about with
regard to the American mainstream media. They also pointed out how much fairer the British were in their reporting.
So Candleman my research has shown that Beck lied about the mainstream media not showing the Israeli flotilla videos and in so doing was caught lying by trying to suggest that the main media doesnt cover the Israeli point of view. Clearly from the above quotes one can easily see that isnt true. For gods sake the gaza activist are furious at the American mainstream media. So if Beck and John are upset with the mainstream media and the Gazan activists are upset at the mainstream media i would suggest they probably got it right in the middle. What do you think? Now John who is clearly enamored of Beck and finds it hard to ever admit that one of his heros is flawed has avoided ever admitting that Beck 1. mocked the 11 year daughter of the President in a vile way (within one week of telling Palin, that politicians children should be off limit). 2. that he lied when he pointed to the video playing on his screen and said the mainstream wont play "this". So in conclusion i can clearly say he is a man in deep denial about the truth.
So there is my report and i hope i have risen to the challenge and proved to you that my research meets your high standards of truth.
Havakasha, I have never questioned your facts. I don't agree with them sometimes, :) but, I've always found you to be honest and straightforward.
BECK, LIMBAUGH, and FOX have always had a one sided agenda. That's how they make money. If there weren't foolish people that believed them, they wouldn't make money and they would change how they approach spreading opinions and calling it news.
The so called main stream media has done an excellent job of covering the Gulf Coast Oil Spill from the very beginning. They certainly have done a great job reporting the frustration of the people towards President Obama and BP!
On just one quick note, because I always like pointing out where I sort of disagree with you...... I know you are Jewish and have visited Israel. I for one am not totally supportive of what is happening to the innocents involved in that conflict. Both Israeli and Palestinian people have been getting caught in the crossfire of war for far too long. You'd think religous people would find some way to settle differences other than killing each other.
The Honorable Mr. Barton is apologizing to a company that isn't based in America....LOL If the President did that, the Right Wingers would be all over his ass. And it looks that Mr. Barton has taken a large chunk of money from the oil industry lately. Seems like he might have his own agenda here and not one that supports the American people. What a douche!Quote:
Originally Posted by Havakasha
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Originally Posted by candleman
Now dumbass why dont you go look at the views of those videos you will notice they barely ever get over thousands. Second it is the internet and SO THAT INCLUDES THE REST OF THE WORLD. Third they put up almost ANY and EVERYTHING, from almost EVERY and ANYONE. So that means anyone that saw the video that thinks it is a story not being told could put it up. It is also not considered NEWS OUTLET.
Now Dumbass if you had even the slightest bit of a honest bone in your body then you would have said havasucker really, YouTube come on.
From that I can see you are no better then Brandon M. was and is. We all have seen what he has done to people that have done business with him. Like I said about him and warned people about him has now come true. Those people learned the hard way and got stung by him. How Ironic it is they are all saying now, yes you were right john.
What was I right about, well I told them he is not honest and if you follow him or get involved with him you will get burned.
I say the same about you candleman you are dishonest and therefore cannot be trusted to be honest in business or anything for that matter.
She would not have to, all she would have to do is do what Bush did FOUR DAYS after (yes that was just FOUR DAYS) hurricane Katrina and sign her name to a piece of paper waving the "Jones Act". That would mean she did not have to do a thing after but just except help that was OFFERED by at least 13 countries. Just doing that would have ment that she would have done a better job then Obama by a factor of 100.
She would not have STOPPED the governor (Bobby Jindal) of the state going to be most effected by the spill from doing what he thinks will keep the oil AWAY from shore. ENVIRONMENTAL STUDIES, REALLY ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!! How much intelligence do you need to know oil is worse then sand. How much intelligence do you need to know oil is much harder to get rid of then a sand berm that would naturally deteriorate by itself (as a matter of fact common sense is telling me the hardest part would be to keep up with the oceans deterioration of them).
That is because UNLIKE Palin, Obama had NO executive experience.
That is because UNLIKE Palin, Obama had NO experience in dealing with the oil industry.
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Originally Posted by candleman
Really do you want to get into this. Here is James Carville talking about Obamas incompetence in his handling of this. Ho by the way that is on the HOFFINTON POST and ABC news.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_590000.html
Now do you want me to put up MSNBCs response to Obama, Here I cant help myself:
"MSNBC political talkers dismayed with Obama's Oval Office performance"
"With pundit friends like these, who needs enemies?"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/201006...ynews_pl2643_2
There is a difference between who is responsible for the leak and what could have been done and should have been done to make sure this did not get as bad as it is.
Do you need me to repost what I said about getting into a car accident and what YOU and I would expect the government to do. Do you expect the person responsible to clean up and fix everything they damaged OR do you expect the local government to take care of it. Who takes you to the hospital if you are injured the guy responsible for it or EMTs???????
You see how stupid and dishonest you are dumbass!!!
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Originally Posted by Havakasha
Yes you are correct they would have followed the LAW. Lets also not forget that BP had already said LONG BEFORE they would go way beyond to make sure they pay for ALL the cost of the clean up and liability. As to should they also pay for polocies OBAMA put into place once again you would think that is just fine. That is fine with you until it effects your business. Obama called a halt to off shore deep water drilling not BP. They are responsible if THIER regulators did not follow the regulations ALREADY IN EFFECT.
I am also sure you believe in the samething as Rosie O'Donnell, I think it went something like, just take them over take their money take thier company, call it socialism call it what ever you want just take ALL of them over.
Yes just like you and Rosie it works great until IT IS YOUR ASSETS THEY ARE COMING FOR.
Here are the facts:
There is a law EVERYONE AGREED TO, that says there is a cap limit to the liability of a oil company.
Our own polocies (driven by liberials and environmentalist) have driven oil companies this far out and deep, NOT THE LACK OF EASY OIL ELSEWHERE.
If that cap was not in there would any oil company take the risk of drilling in the deep water here or would they go else were??
What happens to the US, if that happens.
For that answer just take another look at the title of this thead:
'Humm, isn't funny how the state effect worse by the oil spill say, DONT STOP DRILLING Reply to Thread"
Havakasha, do you ever wonder why JOHN never and I do mean NEVER has anybody defending his stands?
I wondered about this for awhile. And then I realized that no reasonable person could support his stands and opinions.
It's really that simple.
From what i understand (former Senator George Miitchell confirmed this because he helped draft the original cap) the 75 million cap was set BEFORE deep well drilling ever existed.Therefore that cap should go way up and i believe it will, although im sure Republicans who always support big oil over citizens will be fighting that change. I imagine Congressman Barton will be leading that effort. :D
As the past 8 Presidents have stated at one time or another (but unfortunately have not been able to achieve because of lobbyists, lack of foresight etc.) the US needs to get off foreign oil, move to alternative energies, use natural gas more,and conserve energy. If we had done this 30 years ago we wouldnt be having these discussions today. Study after study have indicated that we (U.S.) CANT drilll our way out of this problem. So i would hope that we wean ourselves off oil as fast as possible (knowing we will be using oil for half a century or more for lots of reasons; some out of our control and some in our control) and get on with a saner and cleaner energy policy. Of course the entrenched oil interests and others will fight this effort with claims to try to scare people, but i hope that reason will prevail over time.
Just because state and local economies are addicted to oil revenues doesnt mean that we cant move away from that addiction. Change is always uncomfortable and the scare mongers wiil be out there to try to say our economy cant survive those changes, but that is all BS.
People like John who say that hybrids and electric cars will never be technologically and economically viable are an example of those fear mongers who dont know what they are talking about, but try to pretend that they do.
Time to push hard on hybrid, hybrid plug-ins, electric cars, solar and wind,
grasses for ethanol, natural gas, and nuclear (especially if they can come up
with cheaper and safer systems that dont require enormous amounts of water) Its going to take many years to transition to all this but the growth in investment in alternative energies is happening very rapidly and people know that there is a lot of money to be made in this area.
And john when was it that pure hydrogen fuel cell cars were going to be 1% of automobile sales? You can give me an approximate year. :D A number in other words. An approximate year?
I know you have avoided this for about a year but how about some honesty for a change. Scared?
NO i dont wonder. Its obvious that he is full of crap. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by candleman
Do you think he even knew that the cap was written before deep sea oil wells were even envisioned? Nah! :D
Hey Candleman in fact i am now more sure then ever that he is a certifiable wacko. Remember this is the same guy who said he wouldnt argue with me anymore because he had already won all the arguments. That is shit you just cant make up.
He actually believes we shouldnt call a temporary halt to offshore drilling to make sure its as safe as it possibly can be.
Why do so called Conservatives always act so impulsively? Are their radical ideologies compensations for their addicitions (Rush, Beck) and out of control behavoirs? What do you think?
New John word for the John/English dictionary. :D
John: Polocies
English: Policies
Hey did you hear John is a big fan of Congressman Barton? Yeah the guy who apologized to BP and wants to keep the cap at $75 million?
Check this out. Look who gets a lot of money from the oil and gas industry. Yep its Congressman Barton of course. Hmmm i wonder if there is a connection? lol.
Here is the list of contributions to members of the House Energy and Commerce Committee since 2009
Tammy Baldwin, D-Wis., none
John Barrow, D-Ga., $31,500
Joe Barton, R-Texas, $100,470
Marsha Blackburn, R-Tenn., $33,500
Roy Blunt, R-Mo., $133,100
Mary Bono Mack, R-Calif., $5,750
Rick Boucher, D-Va., $36,000
Bruce Braley, D-Iowa, none
Michael Burgess, R-Texas, $39,350
G.K. Butterfield, D-N.C., $19,500
Steve Buyer, R-Ind., $5,000
Lois Capps, D-Calif., none
Kathy Castor, D-Fla., none
Donna Christian-Christensen, D-Virgin Islands, $1,500
Nathan Deal, R-Ga., none
Diana DeGette, D-Colo., $2,250
John D Dingell, D-Mich., $7,000
Mike Doyle, D-Pa., $8,000
Eliot L Engel, D-N.Y., none
Anna Eshoo, D-Calif., none
Phil Gingrey, R-Ga., $20,500
Charlie A Gonzalez, D-Texas, $30,000
Bart Gordon, D-Tenn., $13,500
Gene Green, D-Texas, $43,500
Ralph M Hall, R-Texas, $31,250
Jane Harman, D-Calif., $3,000
Baron Hill, D-Ind., $2,000
Jay Inslee, D-Wash., none
Edward J Markey, D-Mass., $16,000
Jim Matheson, D-Utah, $47,750
Doris O Matsui, D-Calif., $7,500
Jerry McNerney, D-Calif., $3,000
Charles Melancon, D-La., $65,500
Chris Murphy, D-Conn., $6,800
Tim Murphy, R-Pa., $62,950
Sue Myrick, R-N.C., $11,500
Frank Pallone Jr., D-N.J., none
Joe Pitts, R-Pa., $18,000
George Radanovich, R-Calif., $14,000
Mike Rogers, R-Mich., $20,400
Mike Ross, D-Ark., $76,950
Bobby L Rush, D-Ill., $1,000
John Sarbanes, D-Md., $3,300
Steve Scalise, R-La., $44,335
Jan Schakowsky, D-Ill., none
John Shadegg, R-Ariz., $13,400
John M Shimkus, R-Ill., $34,000
Zachary T Space, D-Ohio, $9,600
Cliff Stearns, R-Fla., $1,000
Bart Stupak, D-Mich., $12,000
John Sullivan, R-Okla., $65,250
Betty Sue Sutton, D-Ohio, $6,000
Lee Terry, R-Neb., $30,350
Fred Upton, R-Mich., $22,000
Greg Walden, R-Ore., $31,200
Henry A Waxman, D-Calif., $6,000
Anthony D Weiner, D-N.Y., none
Peter Welch, D-Vt., $10,000
Ed Whitfield, R-Ky., $20,500
Barton said, "I apologize for using the term 'shakedown' with regard to yesterday's actions at the White House in my opening statement this morning, and I retract my apology to BP...I regret the impact that my statement this morning implied that BP should not pay for the consequences of their decisions and actions in this incident."
Yes sir, Rep. Barton made a mistake and like a man stood up and apologized for it. That is a rare thing for Republicans to do. Heck, even George Bush couldn't do it after sending us into a horrible war in IRAQ that has wasted our economy and tens of thousands of lives.
Mr. Barton realized that he had made a big mistake and acted quickly to fix that mistake. That says a lot for his character. It earns him some respect that he didn't have after apologizing to BP earlier in the day and saying that he was ashamed of what our government had done to BP in order to help our fellow Americans.
JOHN, Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh and partial term Former Governer Sarah Palin could all take a lesson from this man.
Good for Mr. Barton.
Not so good for John.:D
Goodnight.