Slacker Sucks Thread. People who want to bag on Slacker and Pandora.

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Originally Posted by trippingthespeculatingpos

hahahahaha hey charles did u get ur monthly pandora check yet? its the same bullshit nonsense from charles everytime. hey tyler what is pandora's take rate? how m,any people trythe free service then decide to pay for it? what like 5 percent? 45 percent take rate is good, alot of business would like to be able to sell something to 45% of the people who see their product.

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I have never been compensated by any audio entertainment company (unfortunately).

That fact that you say my responses are bullshit just shows your ignorance to what I am trying to get across (maybe that is my fault for not making myself clearer?). I am not making nor have I ever been making a case for Pandora or Slacker to succeed, I make a pleading case that Sirius XM should expand their model to crush these companies. But, you guys cant see that because the second you here a COMPETITORS name mentioned your logic and reasoning goes out the window like a bunch of overly emotional rabid dogs.

I get it guys, I really do, I know first hand how bad this stock can hurt someone but, if you guys are investing in that kind of emotional state, that is some scary stuff. Just understand the facts and leave your emotions out of it.

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Originally Posted by relmor2003

Like saying Water steals money from Coke. Different market. Sorry....

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Perfect, it is exactly like that. So much so, that coke started bottling water! The soda companies saw such a hit from the "drink 8 bottles of water a day to be healthy" revolution that "dasani" wound up in coke machines. Back when I was a kid there was NEVER water in a coke machine.

Thank you for finally laying this whole thing to rest. I don't want slacker or pandora to beat Sirius XM out, I just want them to put that service into the Sirius XM "machines."

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Originally Posted by trippingthespeculatingpos

well when i am at my computer i listen to xm streams, so there u go. i like what sirius offers online. no need for me to go anywhere else for online listening. Am i listening to music? rarely. I love music but id rather listen to some news or talk. maybe im a rare guy, but what i listen to i find very entertaining, and one of a kind, and can only be found on satrad. pandora may be grabbing some of those music lovers that only care abou the music. If sirius was only about the music it wouldnt have 15 million self paying subs. Sirius is much much more than a playlist. by the way any1 hearing the celebrity special today? jimmy kimmel is picking some good stuff.

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Agree. If I am listening to talk, it is Sirius XM. Music is Slacker.

if Slacker is playing a song I don't like I can skip it. I can not do that on Sirius XM. That feature alone is one main reason that Slacker and others like Slacker get a following

charles dont question my emotional state plz, i know where ur coming from ive heard it a million times. sirius has the largest revenue of any radio company. my problem charles is u are always always always complaining. k, nothing sirius has done since ive been wathcing this site has impressed u. if u have u failed to mention it or i never saw it. if u followed this company from early times it should amaze u that they have the largest revenue out there for any radio company, that they now have 15 million self paying subs and that they pretty much have done what so many said they could never do. maybe its the stock price that has u so negative, and so down on the company. the stock price is a joke, its a result of the ****ed up merger process and mel having to do that ugly financing on top of the media who at every turn has an agenda to take satrad down. The stock is not the company, i think sirius is doing really well right now, its just too bad the stock price isnt reflecting that yet. you want them to be apple well there not, they are more like direct tv or cbs. it took awhile before cbs started to release all of its programs for free online and join the tech age. It did though cause thats what people wanted. People want satrad on their cell phone they will get it too. You cant compare every situation and company to netflix, there is only 1 netflix. I have also heard alot of bad things about the netflix system, like getting messed up dvd's on a regular basis.

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Originally Posted by TSavery

Agree. If I am listening to talk, it is Sirius XM. Music is Slacker.

if Slacker is playing a song I don't like I can skip it. I can not do that on Sirius XM. That feature alone is one main reason that Slacker and others like Slacker get a following

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I can skip songs on my xmp3...i can record 40 hours of new content overnight (5 channels at once over 8 hours)..and the next day...whammy..skipping galore.

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Originally Posted by imromo24

I can skip songs on my xmp3...i can record 40 hours of new content overnight (5 channels at once over 8 hours)..and the next day...whammy..skipping galore.

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Very true. I have used the feature myself. Where Slacker still carries an advantage is in that I can "create" a channel.

I will use my rush example. After months of listening to Sirius XM, I was lucky to have 5 Rush songs. And try saving those songs off of the recorded content. They wont let you any more.

After 2 hours of listening to a channel called Rush, I had 10 or 15 rush songs saved.

Slacker allowed me a great listening experience with a Rush themed station, and at the same time I was able to build my library of saved content.

Sirius XM allows me a great listening experience, but building a library of saved content on Sirius XM is a tedious process.

Now, The Slacker station such as Rush has a shallow playlist because of the narrow focus, but I was able to obtain many of the tracks I wanted in a short period of time. Then I create a new narrow focus station like the Eagles.....and so on and so on.

If Sirius XM were to emulate this it would be huge.

It is features like what I am speaking of above that make the Slackers of the world attractive to consumers.

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Originally Posted by trippingthespeculatingpos

charles dont question my emotional state plz, i know where ur coming from ive heard it a million times. sirius has the largest revenue of any radio company. my problem charles is u are always always always complaining. k, nothing sirius has done since ive been wathcing this site has impressed u. if u have u failed to mention it or i never saw it. if u followed this company from early times it should amaze u that they have the largest revenue out there for any radio company, that they now have 15 million self paying subs and that they pretty much have done what so many said they could never do. maybe its the stock price that has u so negative, and so down on the company. the stock price is a joke, its a result of the ****ed up merger process and mel having to do that ugly financing on top of the media who at every turn has an agenda to take satrad down. The stock is not the company, i think sirius is doing really well right now, its just too bad the stock price isnt reflecting that yet. you want them to be apple well there not, they are more like direct tv or cbs. it took awhile before cbs started to release all of its programs for free online and join the tech age. It did though cause thats what people wanted. People want satrad on their cell phone they will get it too. You cant compare every situation and company to netflix, there is only 1 netflix. I have also heard alot of bad things about the netflix system, like getting messed up dvd's on a regular basis.

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For the past 2 years there has been many frustrations with Sirius XM. The merger took its toll in more ways than one.

From the standpoint of hardware, there has been little innovation.

From the standpoint of the stock, there has been littel to be happy about.

From the standpoint of the consumer experience, little has changed.

This is not to say that the company has not accomplished anything, it is just that things are moving slowly. The company can also make great strides in the coming months.

Being the largest revenue generator is good. Doing it in a profitable situation is what we need to see. Then it will be great. They are not far off, and once making money, they can trow themselves around like an 800 pound gorilla. Those are the days when everyone will be happy.

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Originally Posted by SiriusBuzz

Perfect, it is exactly like that. So much so, that coke started bottling water! The soda companies saw such a hit from the "drink 8 bottles of water a day to be healthy" revolution that "dasani" wound up in coke machines. Back when I was a kid there was NEVER water in a coke machine.

Thank you for finally laying this whole thing to rest. I don't want slacker or pandora to beat Sirius XM out, I just want them to put that service into the Sirius XM "machines."

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Your confusing the company with many brands and products with SiriusXM. Yes Coke did start bottling water, but its still not in the soft drink market. When I go to the restraurant and I want to order a soda, i dont order a disani. I order coke or pepsi. Pepsi is coke's competitor. Not water.Now if SiriusXM would like to add features than people like , they can. But Slacker can never do what SiriusXM does.

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Originally Posted by trippingthespeculatingpos

time will show the truth, pandora can be easily recreated it is nothing special, its novelty will wear off. Pandora is just music, sirius is so much more. sorry you dont liek sirius music, i do. i love classic vnyll and lithium some of the blue grass stations arecooltoo, not too mention oldies and classicali love it all. everybody who gets into my car loves it, mainly because if i know what kindamusic they like i go there. pandora may be neat, but it is not half the service sirius is. satellites inferior? your ****ing kidding me right? hahahahaha hey charles did u get ur monthly pandora check yet? its the same bullshit nonsense from charles everytime. hey tyler what is pandora's take rate? how m,any people trythe free service then decide to pay for it? what like 5 percent? 45 percent take rate is good, alot of business would like to be able to sell something to 45% of the people who see their product.

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In my business if I had a 45percent take rate, I wouldnt be worrying about where SiriusXM was priced right now:p:D.
Charles unknowingly presented a very compelling percentage. ITs a paid sub. If it was free, you would get a 5% decline rate. Maybe even zero. And they would listen to it. They may also like Slacker yes. If Slacker charged 12 dollars a month, and they get 15 million takers, come talk to me Charles and Tyler then about how its competition. When they rake in 600 million dollars in revenue, then they can be considered competition. Until then, they are not competition. If they are they are competition like anything is that competes for your time, energy , and money. Which would then have to take into account hobbies, personal life, kids, and profession.

Let's look at the reality of this penny stock. I am sure you have seen this before, being intellectuals that you are. Watch this video and then determine what phase SIRI is in, but don't comment until you watch this vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDpPlrHgquM

How many times has SIRI looked like this in the last 10 months?

Move on........or stick it out and bear it. There are competitors in this real world.

Something can come through, or may come through, but not now.

Bill

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Originally Posted by imromo24

I can skip songs on my xmp3...i can record 40 hours of new content overnight (5 channels at once over 8 hours)..and the next day...whammy..skipping galore.

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Seriously. I love it. When I think of what people like in the Slacker, I just think of how cool the XMP3 is to counter it. It can give you 5 hours of content within an hour. I still use my Stiletto more, but that's because I can never keep up with enough Stern. But for listening to music I just dock the XMP3 and hit record on 5 music channels and set them to record for a cpl hours and I've got more than I need and just fast forward thru stuff I don't like. Now imagine how much better it will be when SIRIUS XM has a sim card that is within a device like that to better know your content. It will be awesome.

Tom, I'm trying to imagine....and I'm being thick I know, but I can't see how a sim card in a XMP3 device is going to help me or how it would be awesome. Are you saying it will somehow remember what I like and then filter the 5 streams and only keep what it thinks I want? Can you explain further?

Well, I'm content with the 3 "shows" I record from Sirius and put on my ipod. The real gem is Buried Treasure where yesterday Mr. Petty introduced me to an old guitar solo from Travis Wammack called Scratchy recorded in '62. Catch it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiHZY...rom=PL&index=8 . If that don't put a smile on your face, check your pulse. I might have ran across that on Slacker or Pandora, but it was sooooo much more enjoyable hearing Tom introduce and talk about the song.

That show alone is worth the 12 bucks a month I pay all the rest gravy. If everyone in the world was as easily satisfied as me, we'd be rich. They are not though. Are you guys saying that having a Slandora style capability in addition to the content we already have is a bad thing? How? What's wrong with providing the same free capability that Slandora gives and throw in some free Sirius XM channels occassionally. Keep the same pricing structure where it runs them ~3 bucks a month to access the premium Slandora style content. Of course subscribers access everything through a SiriusXM interface and are part of a SiriusXM community (That doesn't yet exist). Throw in free weekends, or channels occassionally and I'm sure you'll get decent amount of subs upgrading to the full-up package.

I've never needed that kind of enticing, but some people would/do. Just trying to understand... why this is a bad thing?

Trip, I totally understand your anger/frustration. I can't tell you how pissed off I have been at times with Charles seeming Slandora pumping/Sirius bashing posts. I took a step back and opened my mind to the different options and found I can't really find too much wrong. SiriusXM doesn't seem to have a lot of influence to get people to realize their music content is superior.... Unless they start marketing the H E L L out of the company. Cost prohibitive. It's time for them to get smart and adapt while keeping true to providing the best radio experience out there. I don't want them to just get by, I don't want to have to worrry about GM going bankrupt, I want SiriusXM to kick ass. They aren't going to get that way keeping the status quo. IMHO of course :)

Different market. Lets see Slacker do this.
http://appshopper.com/medical/medicalradio

content company. Slacker is a random music generator. Different market. Like saying listening to you child play is competition for SATRD.
http://mobihealthnews.com/1278/himss...now-on-iphone/

Live sports.-Sirius
Slacker-Live recorded music
Live news-See, because its also a radio company, and content company.
Slacker-News on their site about new features for their product.
Talk Radio-Cornerstone of any "radio station".
Slacker-Nothing live. No talk radio.
Weather-Sirius
Slacker- If you hold up the radio, you can use it to cover your head when it rains, listening to something else has not prepared you for the rain, so your going to need it.
Orginal Talent-SIrius
Slacker-Recorded repeats....
Now as a personalized mp3 player......
You got us their. Your random music generator is better than SIriusXM's. You win that one.

No Charles you know whats WEIRD, is your attitude in trying to convince me Slacker is competition. Thats weird. I proved to you 100 different times its not. HD radio is competition. So is Clear Channel. Thats about it. Now things that might keep consumers from using Sirius.....
Work...
Money...
TV...
CD's...
MP3 player....
Slacker...
Pandora...
None of the above are competition. Different market. Cant have competition from a different market. Get that into your head Charles, and Tyler. Quite being obtuse.

wow thats a nice bit of information on the apple issue, to bad its for content that siriusxm don't control directly how will they cash in on that.

what makes you think slacker wont evolve.is it just because you don't like it.

Because one channel of the content on sirius costs as much as Slandora makes.

Relmor

You are saying that coke does not compete with water or juice, and that their market is soda.

What coke did was realize that soda is a beverage and that they indeed competed with water and juice. As soda lost market share it became important to see it and respond. Coke did this by getting into these other markets.

Switch to autos. Does ford make only sedans? Trucks are a diff. Market, yet ford makes and sells truck. Does an f150 compete with a chevy malibu? In a narrow focus it does not. On a broader focus it does. the truck market has grown over the years. This is why toyota, nissan, honda, etc. Have entered those markets.

Can you please address why sirius xm calls mp3's and services like slacker as competition and you don't?

Sdars is awesome, but needs to know, and understad every aspect of what consumers are using for audio entertainment just like coke did with beverages

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Originally Posted by tim wallick

wow thats a nice bit of information on the apple issue, to bad its for content that siriusxm don't control directly how will they cash in on that.

what makes you think slacker wont evolve.is it just because you don't like it.

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What makes you think they will be able too. Not about matter of like. My opinion on Slacker is irrelevant to it supplying something different than SiriusXM offers. Like ordering a beer vs. coke. Different market. But yes, both are drinks. I can find similarity in a lot of industries products. For instance.
My bicycle is competition for Ford, based on Tyler and Charles examples. Their definition....
ANYTHING that takes business from SiriusXM is competition. IN that case, my legs are competition for Ford. Both have similar traits. My legs move me. So does my car. Therefore......
SAME MARKET.
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