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Originally Posted by Havakasha
Yea I hope they are to, especially the questions that the reporters are asking.
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Originally Posted by Havakasha
Yea I hope they are to, especially the questions that the reporters are asking.
Kind of basic. Not sure why John doesnt get it. A very reasonable plan (like Obama's legislative proposal) would be one that stresses a diversity of energy sources. We import way too much foreign oil and there is not enough domestic oil to make much of a dent in that. We have to first conserve by cutting back on our waste and improve efficiencies of all our appliances etc and move to a higher % of alternative energy systems over the long term. Very common sense and so mainstream. Even a 8 year can understand it. :D
I caught you john huh? Ouch. Sorry buddy. lol.Quote:
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The big news is not been the leak it is the clean up and stopping it from hitting land something the government could have stopped if it took it seriously from the start.
Now look what has happen since it hit the first sand bars. Even you dumb twits can see the difference.
John you really got start listening to SCIENTISTS (i know you dont like them) and stop hanging out in caves listening to Fox. The facts are that the spill is the issue. Its bigger than the Exxon Valdez. Yes its the biggest in the history of the U.S. That means its big john. LOL. There is a tremendous amount of oil under the surface of water which is causing great damage to the fishing industries of the region. Again Its quite basic but you seem to be very stubborn and only interested in scoring obvious political points.
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That is where you guys would like us all to live just take a look at what you want to do just because of one leak. Yes stop all off shore drilling driving prices upto 10 dollars a gallon. Thats right where do tyou thgink you would be living with 10 dollar a gallon gas.
Thank god the rest of the world does not agree with you two twits because have you noticed a convient absence of anyone else saying they will stop off shore drilling. Yes thats right China, Norway, Russia, Mexico, ect., ect. have gone on like nothing has happened. Only here do we see lunatics try saying yes let the rest of the world go after our resources we will stop.
Need I have to bring up the the fact that Obama just gave Brazil 3 BILLION for OFF SHORE DRILLING. maybe he did it as a favor to George Soros. Yes that right you lunatics think it should be, do as I say not as I do.
Oh my John! You are using old polls and old data which has since changed. Sort of like the climate data that you have such a problem with.Quote:
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That seems rather two faced to accuse Havakasha of using old data and then you do exactly the same thing. Yep, that seems two faced to me!
As the costs associated with cleaning up the Gulf Spill rise. And the true damage to our ecology becomes evident. I think those numbers will even change more towards Americans not wanting off shore drilling if this is the cost.
I've always found that Americans aren't selfish. That when they know the facts, they will do what's best for everyone, not just for themselves.
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I already told you havasucker, using spell check does not make you intelligent.
John here is a little bit of information that maybe you dont get if you only watch Fox.
Gulf Oil Spill: Scientists Discover Massive New Sea Oil Plume
MATTHEW BROWN AND JASON DEAREN | 05/27/10 12:57 PM |
NEW ORLEANS — Marine scientists have discovered a massive new plume of what they believe to be oil deep beneath the Gulf of Mexico, stretching 22 miles from the leaking wellhead northeast toward Mobile Bay, Alabama.
The discovery by researchers on the University of South Florida College of Marine Science's Weatherbird II vessel is the second significant undersea plume recorded since the Deepwater Horizon exploded on April 20.
The thick plume was detected just beneath the surface down to about 3,300 feet, and is more than 6 miles wide, said David Hollander, associate professor of chemical oceanography at the school.
Hollander said the team detected the thickest amount of hydrocarbons, likely from the oil spewing from the blown out well, at about 1,300 feet in the same spot on two separate days this week.
The discovery was important, he said, because it confirmed that the substance found in the water was not naturally occurring and that the plume was at its highest concentration in deeper waters. The researchers will use further testing to determine whether the hydrocarbons they found are the result of dispersants or the emulsification of oil as it traveled away from the well.
The first such plume detected by scientists stretched from the well southwest toward the open sea, but this new undersea oil cloud is headed miles inland into shallower waters where many fish and other species reproduce.
The researchers say they are worried these undersea plumes may are the result of the unprecedented use of chemical dispersants to break up the oil a mile undersea at the site of the leak.
Hollander said the oil they detected has dissolved into the water, and is no longer visible, leading to fears from researchers that the toxicity from the oil and dispersants could pose a big danger to fish larvae and filter feeders such as sperm whales.
"There are two elements to it," Hollander said. "The plume reaching waters on the continental shelf could have a toxic effect on fish larvae, and we also may see a long term response as it cascades up the food web."
P.S. i have never used spell check in my ENTIRE life. Wouldnt even know where to find it. I just accept personal responsibility and look things up and try to make sure what i say is accurate even when it comes to spelling. Sorry but good try. :)
Havakasha, I think we've gotten his goat again. He's starting to use his favorite words...."dumb twits"....LMAO:)Quote:
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You must have missed this poll out
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/05/1...#ixzz0p9rpSpyy
Have you seen the poll from Alaska they are overwhelmingly in favor of it. Yet the federal government wont let them.
You dumb twits what do you think will happen if gas hit 10 dollars a gallon.
John you did read this? You cant escape anymore than you can escape your ignorant statements about hybrids and electric autos. It will always follow you around. Stop running buddy. Its like a bird thats coated in oil. Trapped.Quote:
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Ho no those are Obamas people that gave BP a award for safty, really how long do you think you can blame Bush for everything and expect to get away with it.
Yes I know you libs like the conspiracy therories. Yes Hows that War with Iraq because Bush and Chaney wanted the oil for themselves going for you.
Let me quess john. You are ignoring this science huh? Lol. You cant escape john.:DQuote:
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Listen dumbass thats because we have never tried. Just look at what you libs have already done!!!! You force oil companies to go 10 miles out when there are much bigger reverves much closer and much more shallow waters yet then you want to claim we are running out. We are only running out because idiots like yourself are STOPPING them from GETTING it.
Here because you are a twit let me give you a simple example even you should be able to get:
If I said to my wife I cant get that because I dont have anymore money. THAT WOULD BE A LIE. Just because I may not have money on me does not mean I could not get more from the bank if I wanted to.
Me putting restrictions on myself does not mean cant get it if I wanted.
John/English dictionary
New word.
John:Safty
English:Safety
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Sorry John but i aint going to let you off so easy. You said the issue was only about oil hitting land. You're actually quite wrong. So read the above.Quote:
Originally Posted by Havakasha
Swallow your pride and accept personal responsibility for your mistake.
Its very reasonable. Not sure why you cant wrap your mind around it. Do you own a lot of coal and oil stocks is that why it scares you?. Cant figure it out. Seriously.Quote:
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john you're wrong. The science is against you. Just admit your mistake and we can move on.
Scientists find evidence of large underwater oil spil
By David A. Fahrenthold and Juliet Eilperin
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, May 27, 2010; 2:49 PM
Scientists have found evidence of a large underwater "plume" of oil in the Gulf of Mexico, adding to fears that much of the BP oil spill's impact is hidden beneath the surface.
The scientists, aboard a University of South Florida research vessel, were testing the water in sites east and northeast of the leak's source. The university said they detected traces of dissolved oil as deep as 1,300 feet below the surface.
That test seemed to confirm the fears of some scientists that -- because of the depth of the leak and the heavy use of chemical "dispersants" -- this spill was behaving differently than others. Instead of floating on top of the water, it may be moving beneath it.
That would be troubling because it could mean the oil would slip past coastal defenses such as "containment booms" designed to stop it on the surface. Already, scientists and officials in Lousiana have reported finding thick oil washing ashore despite the presence of floating booms.
It would also be a problem for hidden ecosystems deep under the gulf. There, scientists say, the oil could be absorbed by tiny animals and enter a food chain that builds to large, beloved sport-fish like red snapper. It might also glom on to deep-water coral formations, and cover the small animals that make up each piece of coral.
"It kills them because it prevents them from feeding," said Professor James H. Cowan Jr., of Louisiana State University. "It could essentially starve them to death."
The University of South Florida vessel, the Weatherbird II, used sonar and other devices to sample the water below it. Other scientists have said they have little of the equipment necessary to find oil under the water -- leading to debates about whether the underwater plumes were even there.
This week, Mike Utsler, who helps oversee the spill response off the entire Louisiana coast as BP Houma incident commander, said he's only focused on taking oil off the surface. "We don't know there's oil underwater," he said.
But others had seen worrisome evidence.
Owen Morgan of Amira, a group that specializes in breaking apart spills with oil-eating microbes, found evidence of the oil plume off Venice when his team sampled water 75 feet beneath the service. Morgan -- who said his company is pulling out of Louisiana because of insufficient cooperation from state and federal authorities -- showed a thick, gooey sample consisting of 60 percent crude oil.
"People don't realize how bad it is," Morgan said, dipping a fork in the sample to show the goo that hung in midair without sliding off. "This went on for three miles, of that consistency."
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and you must have somehow missed this from your buddies at the AP;
"One of their tools, a program the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration uses to predict how oil spills on the surface of water may behave, suggests that more than a third of the oil may already be out of the water.
About 35 percent of a spill the size of the one in the Gulf, consisting of the same light Louisiana crude, released in weather conditions and water temperatures similar to those found in the Gulf now would simply evaporate, according to data that The Associated Press entered into the program.
The model also suggests that virtually all of the benzene — a highly toxic flammable organic chemical compound and one of the chief ingredients in oil — would be stripped off and quickly vaporize.
The model was not designed for deepwater spills like the one at the Macondo well in the Mississippi Canyon now threatening the Gulf Coast. But experts said the analysis might give a close approximation of what is most likely happening where the oil plume is hitting the surface nearly 50 miles south of Louisiana."
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...wPv9gD9FMHP000
Humm I dont think you missed this but somehow felt it was not worth putting up!!!!! Maybe because it does not go along with your ideology.