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The great part about all of this is that if you don't like what we do here, you can simply change the channel. I would expect all who question our credibility and our intentions to simply move along. Thanks for reading, sorry you no longer find us useful.
Ironic that is was created to poke fun at people like you.Quote:
Originally Posted by jmm232
No, because the traffic metrics are public and if you had a brain you would use it to see that the other site is being used to pass juice to this website.Quote:
Originally Posted by jmm232
They make sense because why... they were cashing in with under a buck each month? If you don't think .54 vs 5400 makes a difference then you are retarded. 5400 a month would tell me they have reason to promote slacker but this unbelievably low ranking http://alexa.com/siteinfo/slackeractive.com plus the fact that they invest in SIRI tells us all we need to know. Not to mention there is no slacker radio show or 5 new posts per day like there are hear sometimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by jmm232
It is not in every single article. The slacker giveaway (which is the one I remember) did not have a link to that site.In fact, the other site http://slackeractive.com/slacker-g2-...k-giveaway.php promoted siriusbuzz but hey why look for the facts right?Quote:
Originally Posted by jmm232
see above plus the links to promote siriusbuzz and all sirius news in their sidebar. You admit that you crucify before you investigate yourself... just blindly follow and hate, that is real smart.Quote:
Originally Posted by jmm232
This argument is done. Once and for all. I am done posting on this site. I decided to see what SlackerActive was. Nothing special really. This article caught my attention.
http://slackeractive.com/slacker-g2-...k-giveaway.php
ABSOLUTELY NOWHERE in this article is it disclosed that the authors of SlackerActive and SiriusBuzz are one in the same. Seems to be an attempt to keep everyone in the dark about that.Quote:
Posted on February 17, 2009
The guys over at Siriusbuzz have got their hands on a sweet Slacker G2 prize pack and they are giving away totally free! For those of you who love the service but don’t have a few hundred to drop on a new portable, now is your chance. To enter all you have to do is follow them on Twitter and retweet the story. There are only about 50 entries to date so, it looks like this might be a hidden gem with a pretty realistic shot at winning.
Ignore the facts and my point for point answer to everything you questioned and move along, typical.
Show me other blog writers that disclose the other websites they write for? I write for 3 big name blogs and none of them have ever told us to disclose nor have I ever seen another blog disclose their writers affiliations.
You are clearly simply ignorant, I mean that literally and as non offensive as I can mean it. You obviously don't understand how writing or web developers work. They often amass large networks of websites and interlink them to cross promote IT IS COMMON PRACTICE.
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Originally Posted by SiriusBuzz
Me and my "Warped Mind" already agree that it may have been unintentional ..... as far as whether or not that it is "even close to relevent and it had no bearing on anything I ever wrote" , we can agree to disagree... Your Slacker Give away promotion while Sirius Xm Radio investors languished over BK concerns is what made it relevant in my mind...
Clueless you have made my point for me. Thank you for taking me out of the darkness of ignorance... My stated opinion was that "Disclosure" is important to add credibility to the Author's point of view. The fact that you state that its not done at all, or done in a timely, on-purpose manner has you agreeing with my perspective but, giving your opinion that as it is Common Practice, its OK. I would agree with you, Tyler, and Charles if this were a Retail Site pushing product but, it is not. Instead it has become a Standard for where people come for Financial Information and Discussion on their investment in Satellite Radio. Tyler has done an exceptional job in that regard. Not my point.. Disclosure with every article, and I understand that Tyler placing the link to the other site, is what he determined was disclosure and I disagree, is important in maintaining credibility. Especially when he articulated so clearly that Slacker is a competitor... By the way, up until now I have maintained a modicum of civility by not name calling... If that is what it takes for you to get your point across then their can be no debate. I know that your statement of my ignorance was literal and not meant as being offensive, but really.....
CLUELESS WROTE:
"You are clearly simply ignorant, I mean that literally and as non offensive as I can mean it. You obviously don't understand how writing or web developers work. They often amass large networks of websites and interlink them to cross promote IT IS COMMON PRACTICE."
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Originally Posted by cos1000
I was in hopes that the discussion would find a happy medium, and everyone can agree to disagree.
I would like to point out that The relationship between the two sites was disclosed at the very beginning, and in various articles and comments.
There are many opinions that people have on what this site should and should not cover. Some people want in depth articles, others want the bullet points. Some want to know about other things such as Slacker, others do not.
I have always been a fan of satellite radio, and became a fan of Slacker. Because I am more "in tune" with what Slacker does, and because I do use the service, it is something that I tend to cover developments on more frequently that a service such as Pandora, LastFM, or IHeartRadio.
There are many satellite radio fans who use Slacker in addition to their service. Slacker sells itself as a solution that sits between terrestrial radio, MP3 players, and satellite radio. I am one of those people that can enjoy Slacker for what it is without feeling that the service will carry any significant impact on SDARS. There are enough distinct features in SDARS that set it apart and make SDARS unique. Among those features are live news, sporting events, and live talk radio.
So Why Have A Site Such As SlackerActive?
There are several reasons:
1. We were sensitive to those that did not want to see Slacker things posted here, and agreed that every ounce of Slacker news was not appropriate here. That being said, Slacker stuff should not be ignored either.
2. We are fans of the Slacker service.
3. We saw this as a way to write about another service we enjoy, and there was little on the net about slacker.
4. Slackers initial business plan called for the ability for satellite updates of the cached content on a Slacker device. This made it a very relative topic, and in particular during the merger process.
5. Slacker has some great features that I have always felt satellite radio should emulate on their Internet service.
Why Is There So Much Sensitivity About Slacker and Not Other Services?
1. I think satellite radio investors are sensitive to Slacker because there was a point in time when satellite was considered as a means of delivery.
2. Slacker takes the MP3 player to the next step, allowing for a changing of content, and avoiding the repetition that downloaded songs have on an MP3 player. It also takes Internet radio mobile.
3. More than any other service, Slacker jumps into the realm of satellite radio, and perhaps that makes investors feel threatened.
4. Slacker tends to come out with news items that seem to be bad timing for satellite radio investors. This news will be out there whether we cover it or not. In many ways, Slacker is chasing Sirius XM, not the other way around. This shows that Sirius XM has an advantage in the minds of the folks at Slacker. Do you ever see Coke mention Pepsi? No. The reason is that Coke is on the top.
5. Some XM people are involved in Slacker.
What's Up With The Disclosures?
1. We announced SlackerActive here on Sirius Buzz when we launched it. We have made no secret of the relationship. We have mentioned the connection in articles, comments in articles, in the forums, as well as the radio show.
2. We do not herald the relationship, nor do we hide it. The Slacker news that happens to get posted here has no real impact on the stock, nor is it a consideration of how we cover and follow Sirius XM radio. In the grand scheme, the impact of Slacker articles published here means very little. This site simply does not carry that kind of influence, and SlackerActive is miles away from carrying influence.
3. Does this differ from a writer contributing to a site when they contribute to another? Should such a writer disclose in every article that they also write for another site? What if they write for a financial site with opinions on the stock?
4. What we do at SlackerActive is very minimal compared to what we do here.
Do We Make Money From SlackerActive?
1. Not really. I was unaware of the fact that we got a check for 54 cents last month. In fact, I have never once asked Charles about the hits on the site, or the revenue from the site. I do know that it costs more to maintain the site/server than a 54 cent check could cover.
2. SlackerActive does send traffic to SiriusBuzz because we link the latest 5 SiriusBuzz articles there in a prominent position. In that sense, SiriusBuzz derives revenue from people that come to this site via that site. Thus if anything, this site benefits more than does SlackerActive.
Cos....specific to the Slacker giveaway on the "eve of BK concerns"
That giveaway was not going to change anything relating to Sirius XM and the negotiations between the company and Liberty or Ergen. Additionally, that give away did not mention Slackeractive at all, but again, we can agree to disagree.
In the big picture, there are many who love and enjoy both Sirius XM and Slacker. This will always be the case.
clueless, First of all it is your name and not some thing like "people are clueless", so ether change the name or just take the hits.
cos1000, I can see where you are coming from. It is a trust issue and weather it is common to state where other people write or not is not the issue. The issue is if they want to be a trust worthy place to come, the primarys should disclose this when it is a compitetor. I mean really a good example would be, and I am sure many would like to know if Tyler writes for a NAB site or a HD radio site. Tyler are you getting it yet.
But cos1000, really you are going to come to this site and complain about the author being trust worthy when you are over at Satwaves reading Brandons shit. I mean you now know who he really is (cfrceo), that should be enough to keep most away. If you ask me they need more "Gino" and less "crfceo".
Tyler and Charles your biggest mistake was not letting us all know who Brandon really was.
Charles, remember that thread in which we discussed this trust issue, do you now see what I mean.
P.S. cos1000, I do remember Tyler talking about Slacker here well before they created the other site for Slacker. I dont think he ment to be misleading about it but should have been more open about it. That in the end is what I believe is the difference between your two views.
Enemy you know........ John.....Quote:
Originally Posted by john
Enemy you know........
Brandon is a sensationalist journalist, he jumps the gun, thats his style. Tyler is conservative to neutral overall in his writing. He did condone the 4 billion in synergies, the biggest reason I bought premerger. We know this was now...
1. A lie.
2. A mass gross overestimation by Tyler, and every analyist who covered this stock. As Tyler always mentions analyist opinions, it has been gross negligence to not mention where these 4 billion of future synergies are coming from? 300 million a satellie.... ok... zero so far... But waiting.. thats the biggest one...
Renegotiating contracts.... so far...
50 million from GM....
100 million in adminstrative savings....
20 million in programming....
Im running out here....
People WHO KNOW THE company better than me, Tyler, Brandon, Newman, Charlies, Homer, you John even, cos....
No one has brought up this huge miscalculation. Whos job is it? no ones...
Whos job would it be more likely to be....
Tyler, who reports analyst opinions as they come out....
No calling out on this topic...
That is a huge trust issue...
Who brought up the manipulation in the stock first(besides me)...
Brandon did. he went to bat, and battled the banks, the company, and others to let it be known this stock is not trading even to a NORMAL degree of manipulation. The manipulation in this stock runs to the media(fake bk article, WSJ fluff piece day before we lost 50 percent stock value(from the PM high)... too many examples to mention....
All this being said, Im not bashing Tyler for how he writes, Its more of what he doesnt write that bothers me, and his timing.
First of all, it was disclosed in the very beginning.Quote:
Originally Posted by john
What would Tyler be writing about on these websites? The news? I don't know how this analogy totally fits because I don't think its possible to like the NAB and SATRAD at the same time while it is possible to have a simple honest interest in both slacker and sirius.
There are guys who write about mac's and pc's for no other reason then the fact that they know and understand computers, is that really a conflict of interest to be knowledgable and report on news for both sides?
Brandon was Brandon and crfceo was Brandon... what were we supposed to tell you? When Brandon signed on to work with us crfceo was supposed to be quiet but, Brandon could not let that alter ego die which added to our growing frustration with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by john
We deffinately talked about it before the other site. So did everyone who covers satellite radio. Like Tyler said, its on orbitcast and the guy who runs a satrad only store also runs a website with a slacker forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by john
This isn't about disclosure its about cos1000 not being able to ever handle anything negative about sirius (he is not alone) and THAT IS FINE, just tell it like it is.
We are going to report on the competition because its relevant and if the compeition does something on the eve of a big sirius xm announcement... tough. If we burried that kind of information that would be the kind of thing that should make you call us into question.
when did Brandon, discover this bit of information and make it public I'm just curious as to when this information was being pursued and if it included the fine folks over at Sirius and or xmQuote:
Who brought up the manipulation in the stock first(besides me)...
Brandon did. he went to bat, and battled the banks, the company, and others to let it be known this stock is not trading even to a NORMAL degree of manipulation. The manipulation in this stock runs to the media(fake bk article, WSJ fluff piece day before we lost 50 percent stock value(from the PM high)... too many examples to mention....
thanks Tim
You opinion is your opinion and that is fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by relmor2003
What about Brandon saying the company would be fine then the next day say they would go bankrupt... which is more dangerous to investors? What about his -2million loss? I am just asking. You could say those things are no big deal but to an investor like me Brandon seems far more dangerous.
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Originally Posted by relmor2003
relmor, What are you talking about the synergies are there. If you recall analyst gave different time frames and different amounts to go with those time frames. You will notice that as the time frames got longer out so did the amounts, that is because if they are saving 500 million this year you multiply that by as many years and come to a number of say (7 X 500 million is) 3.5 billion in synergies in 7 years. You did understand that is what they were talking about right. You will also notice not one analst nor Tyler ever gave an estimate that even had them getting any synergies in the first year. That was all suppose to start at soonest in the second year. I believe they already have in less then a year.
P.S. Many analyst with the longer time frames gave even larger sysnergies because of satellite cost one less satellite is 800 to 900 million saved. Not to mention the introduction of the interoperable radio and the savings that would come as they only produce that one radio for both SIRI and XMSR.
I called brandon out on that if you remember, and if you remember I pretty sure i ripped cos1000 as well. I dont hold my punches, and I feel no one is above reproach. I had made terrible calls myself. Not about bad calls, its about dangerous journalism, or irresponsible journalism. Has brandon been guilty of that, yes. Definately. And when he does, i rip him for it. You have a point.Quote:
Originally Posted by SiriusBuzz
Relmor.....Quote:
Originally Posted by relmor2003
I respect your opinion, but your attack about the synergies is off base. Yes, synergies include things like cost cutting, better contracts, etc. BUT, and this is a big BUT.......They also take into consideration the time value of money. It is the time value of money where the bulk of the synergies will be derived.
What does saving $100 million a year mean over the course of seven years? The $4 billion was not an instantaneous savings, or discuissing pure cost cutting. It is taking into consideration the time value of money.
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Originally Posted by SiriusBuzz
Charles, you know full fricking well those things matter weather it is truth they are writing or not matters not people would not come to a site as much if they knew Tyler was also writing for a NAB site. Thats just the way it is.
I dont care if that is true or not, if you have a nut ball conspiracy theorist as a main writer, I want to know. You knew just how people would react to knowing who he really was, that is why you did not tell us. It also would have made those articles put out by him that you talked to relmar2003 about make more sense.
I know cos1000, and I would not say it is because he cant handle negitive things said about SIRIXM, he just wants the motives for articles made totally clear. Not that you guys dont think you did make it totally clear, just not as clear as cos1000 would have liked.
As for me I also like to know about the competition and what they are up to and to be honest it does not bother me about the other site. That is because from reading Tyler I know when he likes something he buys it and gets more involved then most. For god sake thats how he got started with his own blog about SIRI/XMSR at "satellite standard".
Then go aruge with SiriusXM. They gave there updated synergy savings , ANNOUNCED WELL AFTER THE MERGER, as under 1 billion. So call up Mr. Blalock and argue with him about it. Analyists were wrong, period. SiriusXM(supposedly because they didnt see XM's books) was only off by 50 percent. I think siriusxm had lower estimates, at around 2-3 billion. Once they announced their actual target, NOT ONE WORD from an analist or a journalist on this. Tyler you told me analyists dont know the company like you do. Why I was wrong on my sub count... I estimated a 100k loss to 80k gain. Miller estimated a 60k gain, same as me. Therefore, his opinion is irrelevant. So go ahead and stop writing about them. They were wrong on synergies, and they were wrong on sub estimates. Therefore state before everytime you rewrite up a analyst opinion, please state by the way, this man has no clue what he is talking about. Didnit see that disclaimer. I was confused about parking lot subs.... Its his job to know this, whats his excuse?Quote:
Originally Posted by TSavery
Basically....
If you admit analysts dont know as much about the company as you do, why give 4 billion estimate on synergies without a disclaimer....
This is a huge reason every premerger person is buying this stock. But im going to write article after article stating their opinions, when I know they are wrong. They were wrong. Never going to see those 4 billion in synergies. Why? By the time we would, XM would have been LONG SINCE BKED...... LONG SINCE....... PROBABLY BY 2009 THEY WOULD HAVE WENT UNDER. So synergies past that are irrelevant anyway. Synergies in 5 years do nothing for me. 5 years we still wont see 4 billion.
Relmor....
I am not saying you don't understand this, because I would have no way to know. However, the point you brought up may be something others need clarity about.
Synergies are oft discussed in NPV (Net Present Value)
Net present value (NPV) is defined as the total present value (PV) of a time series of cash flows. It is a standard method for using the time value of money to appraise long-term projects. Used for capital budgeting, and widely throughout economics, it measures the excess or shortfall of cash flows, in present value terms, once financing charges are met.
An example is the Bear Sterns report that discussed synergies and establishing a net present value.
http://siriusbuzz.com/bear-stearns-issues-note.php
Janco is also using the time value of money in their call
http://siriusbuzz.com/janco-upgrades...-synergies.php
I hope this clarifies where the merger synergy nbnumbers come from
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Who brought up the manipulation in the stock first(besides me)...
Brandon did. he went to bat, and battled the banks, the company, and others to let it be known this stock is not trading even to a NORMAL degree of manipulation. The manipulation in this stock runs to the media(fake bk article, WSJ fluff piece day before we lost 50 percent stock value(from the PM high)... too many examples to mention....
when did Brandon, discover this bit of information and make it public I'm just curious as to when this information was being pursued and if it included the fine folks over at Sirius and or xm
thanks Tim
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thats all great and wonderful Tyler, but please address the SIriusxm take down of that target.... they themselves dont see it, never did...Quote:
Originally Posted by TSavery
they either guessed wrong or were just plain misinformed.. no clue...
he wrote about it right after the merger or right before, i dont remember.Quote:
Originally Posted by tim wallick
I can look it up, one sec... well over 6 months ago...I cant archive back that far. have to use my posts to find it, take some time or if you just want a general date, id say it was first mentioned in July or June... No later than September, and no earlier than March.