The Teapublican Hava-gafa-kasha finally admits it!!!!!!!!!!
Clinton? Dude, me and my girlfiend were basically double income, no kids. We had life by the balls. We didn't care. Now that I have kids, I care a whole lot more.
Back then I would spend a Sunday tying flies for fly fishing. That's unfathomable now. I would go on 20 mile bike rides with my buddy. I don't have a bike any more. I work and take care of my kids.
From Politifact.com. I think you mean this is CHECKMATE. lol. As i said all along.
"Eighty percent of the American people support an approach (to federal budget problems) that includes revenues and includes cuts."
Barack Obama on Friday, July 15th, 2011 in a press conference
Barack Obama said 80 percent of Americans favor both spending cuts and tax increases to address budget problems,
As President Barack Obama and Republicans in Congress continued their high-stakes stand-off over raising the debt ceiling and other budget issues, Obama held a press conference to press his case that he's a reasonable guy.
One of the main points of contention is whether an agreement should include tax increases of any kind, such as closing tax loopholes or tax increases on the wealthy. Republicans oppose raising taxes.
During a press conference on July 15, 2011, Obama was asked if the negotiations would be going better if he had started making his case to the public months ago, pushing a proposal that included tax increases and spending cuts. Obama rejected the premise.
"You have 80 percent of the American people who support a balanced approach. Eighty percent of the American people support an approach that includes revenues and includes cuts. So the notion that somehow the American people aren't sold is not the problem," he said. "The problem is members of Congress are dug in ideologically into various positions because they boxed themselves in with previous statements."
We won't weigh in on Obama's diagnosis of being dug in, but we were interested in the poll numbers on whether the public supports a balanced approach or not.
The most recent poll we found largely supported Obama's statement. A Gallup poll conducted July 7-10, 2011 posed the question this way:
"As you may know, Congress can reduce the federal budget deficit by cutting spending, raising taxes, or a combination of the two. Ideally, how would you prefer to see Congress attempt to reduce the federal budget deficit: only with spending cuts, mostly with spending cuts, equally with spending cuts and tax increases, mostly with tax increases, or only with tax increases?"
The answer "only spending cuts" got 20 percent. The other answers were "mostly spending cuts," 30 percent; "equal spending cuts and tax increases," 32 percent; "mostly tax increases," 7 percent; "only tax increases," 4 percent; unsure/other, 6 percent.
We'll note that Obama counted in his favor people who favored only tax increases or who weren't sure, so he wasn't completely accurate. If you deduct those groups, only 70 percent support the balanced approach. But the poll did support his overall point.
Other polls also showed support for Obama's statement, but not quite at an 80-percent level.
A poll from Quinnipiac University conducted July 5-11, 2011, asked: "Do you think any agreement to raise the national debt ceiling should include only spending cuts, or should it also include an increase in taxes for the wealthy and corporations?"
In this case, 67 percent favored including tax increases, while 25 percent favored spending cuts only. Another 8 percent were unsure.
In June, a Reuters/Ipsos poll found that most people, 46 percent, favored a combination of cuts and tax increases, compared with 26 percent who said cuts alone and 13 percent who said raise taxes. An ABC/Washington Post poll from April found the number was higher, at 59 percent.
We reviewed polls and consulted experts a few weeks ago for a fact-check on whether people support tax increases or not. Karlyn Bowman, a senior fellow at the conservative American Enterprise Institute who studies polls on taxation, told us polls usually show support for balanced approaches, particularly if people don't have to pay the higher taxes themselves.
"Generally, combinations of tax hikes and spending cuts are most popular. It seems fair to most people. Spending cuts are favored in the abstract. Tax hikes are favored as long as they don't affect me. Generally, people don't think anybody should have to pay more than a quarter of their income in total taxes," she said.
Finally, a few other cautions on poll numbers.
Pollsters have long noted that when you ask questions with different wording, you get different results. All the polls we looked at phrased the question slightly differently.
A few recent polls also suggested that people find the whole debt ceiling debate confusing, or they aren't following it very closely. A Pew Research Center/Washington Post poll from May asked people how well they felt they understood what would happen if the government does not raise the federal debt limit; 47 percent said "not too well" or "not at all well." And the July Gallup poll found that 42 percent of respondents were following the issue "not too closely" or "not at all."
Getting back to Obama's statement, he said, "You have 80 percent of the American people who support a balanced approach. Eighty percent of the American people support an approach that includes revenues and includes cuts." Even the best poll doesn't show support quite that high -- he would more accurately have accounted for the small numbers that support only tax increases or were unsure, putting the number at 70 percent. But his overall point is correct that polls show most Americans support a balanced approach when given a choice between cutting spending or raising taxes. So we rate his statement Mostly True.
Desperation strkes Lloyd!
He's gone mad!
Posting the same article over and over - lunacy it is. I best be careful; I once gave him my home address.
When you have a "good" man on the defensive and have him proved wrong you never let up. Just good debating technique. You can try and evade but you my friend are trapped in your lies. HA HA..
Actually its a VERY important article that refutes what you said about what the American believe about raising revenues and cutting spending. Whats interesting is that you havent yet admitted its significance and the fact that it proves your comments wrong. :)
I think you should actually read it. lol
by lunacy, Of course you kind of mean your obsession with accountants? LMFAO.
LMFAO! You are entirely delusional. This whole tantrum you are throwing is a result of this. And do mark my words in bold italics below. Aw man, you are making my day.
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CHECKMATE
It should be the end of the discussion, but we all know Hava-gafa-kasha...........................
"**** the polls. No one wants to pay more taxes.
Need proof? Hava-gafa-kasha employs a tax accoutant. You don't want to pay more taxes. Your actions speak VOLUMES. Soros does the same. Gates does the same. S&L doesn't. Follow the money Lloyd. Why are you paying some ****er to find loopholes?"
Admit it, Admit to your ACTIONS. No normal working person wants to give away money. It's a normal reaction.
How did you like that video clip? You and your polls lol. Democrats lol.
I don't know exactly where he already said it, but wanted to capture this here, now because I'm pretty sure Hava-gafa-kasha is a the point of editing his posts to recreate history.Quote:
Originally Posted by Havakasha
This is what send old Lloyd over the edge in the first place. It deserves to be on top.
Seems like Moderate Republicans are moving slowly toward a compromise postion.
I cant seem to get an answer as to whether S&L supports the right wing of the Republican Party
or is more inclined for compromise?
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I'm up for a compromise, but no new taxes -- or is that uncompromising?
What will really be a riot is when all the parties spin their success.......
Well the Grand plan raised taxes on the wealthy. so i am confused cause you said just a minute ago that you supported it.