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Originally Posted by lloyd Handwerker
I dont have the link it was the actual magizine. The issue was about 8 months old.
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Originally Posted by lloyd Handwerker
I dont have the link it was the actual magizine. The issue was about 8 months old.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090622/...ehicle_quality
Thanks for giving me a ball park time frame for an article you quote as your
bible on everything about hybrid cars.:D
The above article is just another one of those that shows that Toyota is such a bad car maker. LOL>
Actually its a fact that oil companies arent drilling on land that they own and is drilling ready right now so your theory about drilling is just plain wrong but its a good excuse for those like minded of your ideological rigidity. Say it enough and you believe it.Quote:
Originally Posted by john
Ah, hybrids " don't at present work". Thats why 8 out of 10 Prius owners would buy one again. LOL. You sound like you are getting scared they "might work in the future" Funny stuff. I quess that's why you stay way clear of the fact that the future of the automobile is in hybrids, plug-in hybrids and electrics ( as well as clean diesel like they have in Europe). Cant get around
buddy.
If i dont know where oil prices wil be going in the future. Why dont we bet on that one:D i know you'll find a way to change the bet to eliminate all skewing. Priceless.
Your bet only works if oil prices go down again to $45 a barrel. AND HOW LONG DO YOU THINK THAT WILL TAKE AND HOW LONG WOULD PRICE HOLD
IF IT DIPPED THAT LOW. ONE MONTH? TWO MONTHS. AND YOU CALL THAT
A GOOD WAY TO CARVE OUT A BET. YOU ARE DEFINITELY A NUMNUT AND
idiot! Such manners your parents taught you. They must be soooooo proud!
So you decide to oppose most scientists because YOU know the truth. LOL If you would examine yourself just a little bit you would have to acknowledgeQuote:
Originally Posted by john
that you have taken your position based on your ideological skew and really nothing else.
I would like to make you a bet right now that in 10 years that consensus about Global warming will be strengthened and even more so in 20 years.
You could argue this way about every scientific "consensus". There
were people who believed the earth was flat way after a consensus on the
matter was formed (You probably would have joined them:o) What you are arguing for is a kind of ignorance. Just follow your ideological bias and disagree with all scientific consensus. If you think thats a smart way to go through life then god bless you.
The guy that argues that Toyota is not a well run car company is the same guy
who argues against scientific consensus on global warming.
What is wrong with this picture?
I quess that article i posted which showed Toyota winning quality awards for their cars and plant didn't convince you huh. Too much consensus again right.;)
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Originally Posted by lloyd Handwerker
GeeZ,why don't you 2 get a room,oh Wait you did here...:D
Reason for oil companies not drilling in okayed areas is because it was not economically feasible to do so,but off shore and alaska is very real probability
of easy oil to be non technical..
Europe can not be compared to US because of small ancient roads and urban areas,plus their gov't is funded by gas taxes to cause less driving and hence Smog..this was long before gas crisis,talking 1940's at least..no land or open spaces so they had to go trains and subways or mass transit to encourage commerce..
Now i personally don't call it Global warming as i prefer climate change ,of which we have had since the earth was formed..
the theory being that carbon dioxide or monoxide (sic) from Dinosaurs caused ozone to open up and create the ice age...or any number of reasons why climate changes..Meteors, whatever you want to cite,but proof is it happened already several hundred times,who knows why..
Now as for hybrids,it still creates "Global Warming" because it takes coal to make electricity to run them...and we are lucky to even keep the lights on now with population and rural development around the Globe..
My 2 Cents is the hybrids are a bridge to Natural gas or Hydrogen run cars.
That is my take,and LLoyd if you want to get your point across,please don't mention Europe as an example,they are old news and just little states with no military budget to speak of,at our cost..
Of course hybrids still cause global warming. Who said any different around here? The point is they cause less. I would mention some scientific proof butQuote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyIrishXM
that doesnt seem to count for much around here :D Anyway i dont believe i
put much emphasis on Europe at all. Just talking about the future of autos in the US and the world in general. I said very simply that certain hybrids not only work but are economical but are the future of the automobile for the next 20 years from my research. Of course there are a lot of car companies jumping on the hybrid bandwagon which make some that dont make any sense economically.
The sooner we get off oil the better we will all be. I am speaking from an envirommental point of view, economical point of view and political point of view (Iran would be one example). Even the former head of the CIA James Woosley believes as i do; drives a hybrid and he aint no liberal. So stick that in your pipe John and smoke it!
Lloyd,we all know we should be off oil as an energy,but the problem is who will pay for it?we have known ,at least i have since the 70;s oil crisis,that oil is not the future ,but we keep spending money on everything but what needs it,namely energy policy and entitlements...most economist estimate 6trillion to build and erect new energy infrastructure for Natural gas or hydrogen or electric..the oil companies sure aren't going to pay for it,so who will?Quote:
Originally Posted by lloyd Handwerker
I like what boone pickens has to say about it,and he's an oil man..
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Originally Posted by lloyd Handwerker
Hey dumb shit it is not just them that says it, it is a multitude of acrticles from diiferent publications. The fact is the hybrid does not give the fuel savings needed to make up for the extra cost to buy and maintain when compared to cars in the same class.
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Originally Posted by lloyd Handwerker
Once again you try to bring up this false statement (democrats in congress also tried to) that has already been dispelled. I answered this before and I see "JohnnyIrishXM" has answered once again. Your an idiot you have fallen for the samething you accuse me of. The problem is you and the democrats dont have the facts to back it up. Fact: there is a cost to drilling in the areas that they have leases on (they dont own the land). The studies have shown that the oil that are in those areas does not make up for the cost to drill. Fact: the few areas that they are able to get enough oil out of and be economical are at present being held up by red tape and law suits.
There is one thing you cant deni and that is most of the people that drive thre prius are of the same mind as you. they ether believe in the global warming theory or actually have not looked at the facts about the cost of buying and maintaining one. I also have no doubt these same people think solar power is also economical and saves them money in the end. As for the future you have the same problem as most that cant argue a point very well you forget the FIRST yes the FIRST comment to you which was this;
"lloyd Handwerker, You dont have a clue do you. First of all I doubt that any of the people you mention are against hybrids, IF THEY WORK AND ARE ECONOMCAL. The fact is they dont and are not yet, you nimnuts. If the government did not give tax credits for them they would not sell enough of them that car companies would keep making them, that alone should tell you that the technology doesn't work. The fact it takes almost as long as the car life span just for the savings on fuel to make up for the cost of the car should be a clue to you (that does not include the cost of not having the money for that period of time ether)."
Finally, once again your an idiot, what didnt you see what happen to your hybrid sales when the price of oil dropped from 145 to 35 a barrel. It didn't take to long before the hybrid sales to drop off huge did it.
P.S. The 70s and 80s tell me all I need to know about what happens after oil prices come down.
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Originally Posted by lloyd Handwerker
No you dwit, I look at all the information to include the track record of the same scientists you are relieing on. Fact many of them have been wrong and switch their position on this issue at least 2 times. I just have to ask if they had all this scientific information then why is it they said we were going into an ice age over 20 years ago, why is it many of them are now changing their minds and starting to move from global warming to global climate change and say it is now going to get colder. You have got to be the biggest dwit around it is not me that is following some ideology, it is you. I am not following the same people that have changed their minds on an issue from one thing to the exact opposite and then have the gull to say yes we are changing our minds about it getting warmer to it getting cloder but it is still MAN that is cuasing
I'll take that bet and it wont take even 10 years because many of them are already started to change their minds on that.
Finally unlike you I follow fact and not consensus. I would believe the Greeks who said it was round long long long before. You see dumbass they had a scientific theory that the earth was round that dealt with working with shadows.
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Originally Posted by lloyd Handwerker
Now that is funny, because take a look at what I actually said. Which was if I use your basis for how good a company is then no. I used your basis on that dumb shit.
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Originally Posted by JohnnyIrishXM
JohnnyIrishXM, the problem is Boone Pickens isn't a car man he doesn't get the fact it has been tried before. The results are that to protect the fuel tank enough to satisfy the government it would cost to much for the car. There is a reason the only transportaion that uses that form of fuel is trucks heavy vans and buses. They are big enough to have the amount of protection that is required.
Most dont realize gasoline when compared to natural gas is really not flamable/*explosive*. Many think it is like in the movies were in every crash their is an explosion that is actually very rare.
Do you always have to start off your argument with "your an idiot" (It actually should be you're an idiot but thats another discussion. lol).Quote:
Originally Posted by john
It doesnt encourage dialogue and its really rather juvenile.
James Woolsey former head of the CIA believes we should dramatically change our energy policy. He drives a hybrid, knows they work,supports increasing their use quickly because of national security concerns. James Woolsley aint no liberal. Read some of his writings if you feel like being educated and stepping outside your box.
By the way have you been reading the flurry of articles about electric cars?
Nissan is aiming for 100,000 fully electric vehicles by 2011.
Like i said from the beginning; hybrids, plug-in hybrids, and electrics are the
way of the future and will be exploding in quantity over the next five to ten
years. I think you should not only get used to it, but should welcome the
change to more energy effecient vehicles.
If you were so confident of your "facts" you would'nt need to constantly use the words B....ch, dumbass, idiot, numnut etc. You would try to educate meQuote:
Originally Posted by john
with your factual information. But the fact remains that the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF SCIENTISTS continue to believe that global warming is man made phenomenon and is an increasing danger to our planet.Its just a fact that cant be denied no matter how many times you say "many of them are already starting to change their minds" Define the word MANY in that sentence please.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americ...vey/index.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/24/op...4friedman.html
Thought you might enjoy the above articles John.:D
First off, both the libs and repubs are far left wackos.Quote:
Originally Posted by lloyd Handwerker
Second, just because someone is driving a certain car or truck, being a hybrid or not, that will not convince me nor will I ever follow that crowd.
Third, you are all about the collective, not the individual, your religion IS global warming, you have no individual identity, (not an independent thinker) and that is sad.
Fourth, if you want to purchase and drive a hybrid, go right ahead, but don't try and force anyone else to buy into it.
http://www.junkscience.com/
Yo Dread,Quote:
Originally Posted by dread
Huh? LoL.
You seem pretty wacky!
No one is forcing anyone to buy a hybrid. Last i checked anyway.:confused:
I got no religion but thanks for giving me one.
The "crowd" is decidely driving non hybrids so i quess you actually do follow the crowd. Got to get your facts right:D
Read James Woolsey to find out why as a former head of the CIA HE THINKS
a new energy policy (including hybrid technology) is vital for national security. Some people might find his point of view important considering the
positions he has held in Govt and considering he is a Conservative.
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Originally Posted by lloyd Handwerker
Because you are a dwit you cant understand why I call you a dwit. I will explain the facts are there and after I have given them to you time and time again only a dwit would not understand so that is why I call you a dwit.
Ho no, once a gain the reason you are a dwit. That is wrong now the majority are ether going with climate change (heading for cooler tempitures but that it is still mans fault) or it is a myth. The MAJORITY OF SCIENTISTS of the last study at the United Nations are now saying climate change. Now dont tell me you dont know about that study its by the United Nations for god sake, then again if it does not fit the agenda of CNN and the New York Times then it does not get reported so you didnt. Once again I gave you instances where those media sources out and out lied and admited to it in the end. Then again you keep beilieving the same people that have changed their minds on this issue at least twice. The only thing that has not changed for these people is that humans are the reason for the climate change.
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Originally Posted by john
So you believe in climate change by man?:D