you got em too lol, i think u got more than me :O
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you got em too lol, i think u got more than me :O
This might be a total noob question, so please forgive me if this answer is obvious:
Why is the share price going up if the majority of these articles are talking about Echostar forcing bankruptcy so they can gain control of the company? I would think this news would send the share price down. Is it because of all the uncertainty of what their true purpose actually is or are people betting on a buyout?
because all the articles on sirius for awhile now have been trash and the avg investor now knows that. Why did it go up the last few days when their were article's going out there about bk? You have to ignore the crazy side of that article and look for the fact's, the fact's themselves are not bad, only the speculation.
WSJ is owned by Murdoch.
Murdoch owns Fox (ahem) News.
Sirius recently dropped Fox Business News.
http://www.orbitcast.com/archives/fo...sirius-xm.html
There is a distinct possibility that things he owns (e.g., Fox, WSJ) seem to have a tendency, overall, to have less to do with reporting actual news and more to do with Murdoch's personal and political and business agenda. Moreover, I believe that, What Murdoch Buys, Murdoch "Dumbs Down," for the purpose and agenda that "sensationalism sells, facts don't."
Keep in mind that Joseph Clayton sits on the board at Echostar and that he was the former CEO of Sirius before Mel. I think he would have access and insight into the company that we don't. I doubt that he has any evil intentions towards SIRI.....
http://www.fool.com/investing/divide...es-sirius.aspx
I'm not the only one who's recently turned positive on Sirius XM Radio (Nasdaq: SIRI). Shares of the satellite-radio provider traded as much as 43% higher this morning, after WSJ.com reported that EchoStar (Nasdaq: SATS) has been buying gobs of the company's debt.
According to the relentlessly chatty "people familiar with the matter," EchoStar has been buying up chunks of the $174.6 million in debt Sirius is due to repay later this month. Since EchoStar has never fancied itself a gambler, one can assume that the company isn't just looking for a near-term trade here.
So let me ask the question on every speculator's mind this morning: What are you doing here, EchoStar?
A history of space
EchoStar is no stranger to beaming entertainment to subscribers via satellite. The company spun off DISH Network (Nasdaq: DISH), the United States' No. 2 satellite TV provider after DirecTV (NYSE: DTV), last year. Is it cozying up to Sirius to fill the void DISH left behind?
Investors need to be careful here. Until it makes its intentions clear, EchoStar can't be greeted as a liberator. What if it's just gobbling up debt to force the company into bankruptcy, should Sirius prove unable to line up refinancing elsewhere? As a major creditor, EchoStar would have some serious weight in bankruptcy. It might walk away from the rubble with Sirius XM in tow, but common shareholders would likely get hosed.
Things will get interesting if EchoStar buys up debt beyond this month's maturities. $200 million of the $350 million due in May rests in the hands of JPMorgan Chase (NYSE: JPM) and UBS AG (NYSE: UBS). As gun-shy banks, they would probably prefer to negotiate with Sirius rather than write down the credit. EchoStar may be their ticket out of that iffy debt.
In cinematic terms, what if EchoStar is There Will Be Blood's Daniel Plainview, buying up tracts of adjacent land to drink Sirius XM's proverbial milkshake?
There WILL be blood
Longs don't like uncertainty, but another group despises it even more: shorts.
There were nearly 220 million shares of Sirius sold short as of mid-January. How many of those investors can afford to take a hit if EchoStar is planning a shareholder-friendly buyout?
If you listen between the gaps of today's frenzied trading in Sirius XM shares, you can actually hear the short squeeze. The bears may be right. Sirius XM may have no choice but to file for bankruptcy later this year. However, now that there's a whiff of at least one potential suitor in the air, do you think the longs who have suffered for so long will just give away their Sirius shares?
On the block
EchoStar can't be the only company with Sirius XM on the brain. If satellite radio is good enough for the DISH family tree, surely it's good enough for the larger DirecTV, right? And while Clear Channel is unlikely to gather the private equity funds necessary to make a play for Sirius, wouldn't terrestrial radio's mortal enemy look interesting on the arm of traditional radio's leader?
While we're talking terrestrial radio, CBS (NYSE: CBS) is another company that could do some serious damage in the media space with Sirius XM in its arsenal. With shares of CBS fetching little more than a foot-long Subway sandwich these days, what does the Eye Network have to lose?
In short, even though we still don't know EchoStar's intentions, it's probably not the only company that would make sense as a potential suitor. After months of steady declines, I'm glad to see Sirius XM feeling wanted again.
For crying out loud.......
Echostar cannot walk away with SIRI "in tow" by owning some of the Feb. bond debt that SIRI can pay off with cash on hand!
This is just ridiculous.........
Amazing how this can be spun negatively when there is nothing negative about it....
Echostar will try and take the controlling interest in SIRI or what is the sense in them buying SIRI? I don't know how much interest they want yet.
So as a stockholder it might be a great time to buy more if you have the money...then wait for the spike.......sell....and then re-buy on the pullback.
I see a lot of really confused people in the forum today not knowing what to do. They got taken by surprise. Personally, I have a plan written out for myself and I will just follow it. Things move so fast sometimes that things have all ready happened before I know it. I hate running around like a chicken with its head cut off. I know when I get excited and don't have a plan, I have trouble thinking straight and get all stressed out and it makes it harder for me to make a sound decision. So I am planning my sell points and stop points and getting re-tooled for the current situation. Then I will be set up for the unexpected.
I like to keep the nervousness out of the equation as much as possible.
As I write this, the current price is .1659. It has dropped as expected. It will drop like this right after a spike.
ramble ramble ramble.....lol
(Just thinking out loud)
Read that, LOL, two weeks ago SIRI was dog meat according to him!Quote:
Originally Posted by trippingthespeculatingpos
yes I had a plan to but .24 was looking better than .19 as I was watch it LOL
why it makes sense for echo to do this
this is not my words but taken from a yahoo post.
"Echostar is purchasing some of the debt Feb and December. This will alleviate the burden for Sirius to refinance. When the debt matures (very soon) Echostar will refinance with Sirius and issue new convertible debt at a low pps.
Why doesn't Echostar just buy up shares instead? Because if nobody buys the debt then the company goes bk and the shares are worthless.
By buying the debt, Echostar is having a call option if the pps goes up and is secure if the company fails.
Why would Echostar do this? To make money and to hold a large investment in Sirius (convertible debt).
Why not just bk Sirius and then own the whole thing on the cheap? It doesn't work that way. If you bk Sirius then there is along court battle over assets. Plus, with Echostar owning so much spectrum an with Democrats in office, they would never get approval to buy all of Sirius. A partnership/investment through ownership in debt (soon to be convertible debt) is the best answer."
Ya, now it is at .1695......lol :)
Sometimes simple explanations like that are good. Nice job on finding that, Tripps.Quote:
Originally Posted by trippingthespeculatingpos
http://www.cnbc.com/id/29037328/site...t%7C&par=yahoo
EchoStar Amasses Sirius XM Debt: Report
By: By Reuters | 05 Feb 2009 |
(Reuters) - Charles Ergen's EchoStar Corp. [SATS 15.52 0.12 (+0.78%) ] has quietly accumulated a substantial portion of Sirius XM Satellite Radio Inc.'s [SIRI 0.17 0.03 (+19.79%) ] maturing debt in what could be the first salvo in an attempt to take control of the company, the Wall Street Journal said, citing people familiar with the matter.
Ergen, who controls a satellite-television empire around Dish Network Corp. and EchoStar, recently acquired part of a $300 million tranche of Sirius debt that matures on February 17, the people told the paper.
Sirius recently converted part of the debt to equity, reducing the total debt outstanding to about $175 million, according to the paper.
It is not clear whether Ergen participated in the exchange, the paper said, adding that he could also be buying up senior bank debt, due in May, which trades on the over-the-counter market.
Echostar could be pursuing a plan to use the debt as a way take control of the company either inside or outside of bankruptcy, the Journal said.
An EchoStar spokesman declined to comment on the report. Sirius could not be immediately reached for comment by Reuters.
According to Standard & Poor's, Sirius has $175 million of convertible notes maturing in February, $350 million of secured bank debt due May 2009, and $433 million in convertible notes due December 2009.
In December, Sirius Chief Executive Mel Karmazin said that while the tight credit market has made it difficult to get optimal terms, he is confident the company can refinance the debt.
New to this forum, but have been a reader since 7/07. I enjoy the disscusions alot. Bought into siri in 03. I'd never heard of Mel K. at the time. I'm here for the long haul. I've learned alot, too late as my 14k shares average is just under $3.00. I feel that I should buy more but when?
I don't consider myself a follower, so Mel do your thing and maybe I'll break even someday. Thanx Tyler, Charles, Newman, Brandon and others. You've made sense when things were senseless.
Long Siri
SIRI closed @ .165 on volume of about 151 Million shares traded after reaching a high of .204.......
up up and away, will be in the .20's tommorow hopefully
You Guy's are the best!!! I have learned so much and enjoy trying to figure it all out along with the forum! Demian - I thought the high was .27 today - not that it matters alll that much if it doesn't stay there ... or does it??? I see 27 as the closing high on Nasdaq http://www.nasdaq.com/aspx/nasdaqlas...&selected=SIRIQuote:
Originally Posted by Demian
THANKS bunches Gang - ALL appendages (spelling??) are crossed!!!
4,000,000 shares @ 16.5 huge buying here.
Actually, a trade in premarket did hit .27.