Stifel Lowers Estimates – Sets $1.25 Price Target
Stifel analyst Kit Springs issued a report today in which he lowered estimates in the subscriber and revenue category, but maintained a BUY rating with a price target of $1.25. Springs notes several factors in his report, but mostly ties the lowered guidance to weak auto sales. According to Spring car sales will come in at 13.5 million for the year rather than 13.8 million.
Among items that could be perceived as positive was the NPD retail sales which were not down as far as Springs anticipated. While September sales were down 7%, and quarter sales were down 10% it was a better number than the 25% down that the analyst was anticipating.
The Stifel buy rating with a target price to $1.25 is based on a 5 year DCF with 11.4% WACC and 7.6x terminal EBITDA multiple. Spring states, “100% downside seems like an increasingly likely scenario. That said, we see several multiples of upside possible should SIRI refinance successfully, potentially realistic should churn remain solid.”
Springs Notes The Following:
For 3Q08 we estimate pro forma:
- Net subscriber additions 321k vs. 435k previously
- Self pay churn 1.76% vs. 1.75%
- Revenues of $618.9MM vs. $619.1MM due to lower OEM additions
- EBITDA of ($76MM) vs. ($86.2MM) as subscribers are initially dilutive
- EPS of ($0.08), unchanged
For the full year 2008:
- Net subscriber additions 1.76MM vs. 2.17MM
- Self pay churn 1.74%, unchanged
- Revenues of $2.418B vs. $2.419B
- EBITDA of ($313MM) vs. (349MM)
- EPS of ($0.32) vs. ($0.33)
For the full year 2009:
- Net subscriber additions 1.99MM vs. 2.13MM
- Self pay churn 1.84% vs. 1.81%
- Revenues of $2.65B vs. $2.71B
- EBITDA of $253MM vs. $293MM
- EPS of ($0.15) vs. ($0.13)
Position – Long SIRI







oops . . . last post refers of course to today’s further paydown of Feb debt . . sorry. relevant to the article Charles because of analyst’s link to debt resolution and in reply to other posts . . .
Hope,
Do yourself a favor. Hold your shares and use the $2K to buy yourself more shares. Trade those shares if the stock moves higher. Keep your core position intact. They could announce refinancing and it would hit you like a sledgehammer. I hate this too, but trading in and out can catch you with your pants down.
Good luck.
SyNiSt3r:
Hey, I agree with your take above.
Can be viewed in a positive. There were buyers willing to accept shares. They would never do so if they thought a BK? Would they?
2. Sirius could do the ultimate dilution. That being selling shares on the open market for operating expenses. This would be death for us. This method of eliminating debt while, someone takes shares has positives. Plus these shares may never get to the open market.
3. See numbers one and two. LOL.
Roadkill. I like your takes on the debt elimination.
And throwing in the relevance to the topic is even better yet. The topic police do come around every so ofter. lol.
The piece meal as you put it, has positives. And the money is paying off a huge negative vs. other companies that sell the shares at market to continue operations.
Friggen.
I say go for it. Your keeping what you have. I bought again at .27 and .37 and .39. I only bought after I became convinced the entire pps death spiral was short induced.
Yes, I think a RS is death. So if Mel can get this debt done, it won’t be an issue. We’ll hear more from him next week.
Hey, I never saw that movie. Sounds funny.
Hey, friggen, futures up. Without Weinkes we would be in the .60’s. The shorts are going to get it handed to them again tomorrow.
And eventually they will have to close other positions to cover their asses on the ones that they are taking a beating on. That being us. So to me, we have a shot at a technical rally.
Without real debt news all we have is technical rallies. But the shorts took us down on technicals. So I say we could get back to 1.25 in one day. Think I’m smoking crack. LVLT hit 1.30 at one point today. Started at .60 a few days ago.
The feds and the worldwide banking systems are after the shorts. Japan shut them down. And they are making them cover. You can see it. The downside was these assholes shorting the market index funds. Now they will eat shit and die. IMHO.
Hope,
keep trading the way you are, nothing is going to have this stock just take off. Sirius will refinace the feb debt and then everyone will worry about the may debt ect ect.
Make some money back
good luck
It looks like Sirius will continiue to sell shares in small lots to try and get the best price, which is sad considering the last batch was at .29 cents , and they consider this favorable terms and may do this again from time to time.
Looks like .22 cents is almost a given, especially if the market retests its lows in the next few weeks. It may just happen on Nov 5th or 6th if Osama, I mean Barack Hussein Obama gets in office.
Hi Sal ..i have a plan that i think shorts will drive this back down this week
if it works i will increase my shares by 50%
balls to the wall now
frigginregan thake that money and buy something else, I bought something else and I am much happier.I will keep my 5500 shares of siri untill I hear of a RS.
there are some good stocks out there at a discount, take advantage of them. 2 years from now you will be happy when you turn that 4 grand into 8 or 10 rather than have lost it in SIRI
I am not being a basher or bitter just step back at give this a good look.
i also bought some LVLT and ambac ABK
good night guys..gotta go now
I hear what you are saying BklynSal. But half that 4 grand is IN Sirius right now. I’d have to sell here to get it and then combine it with the 2 grand I have in cash.
I KNOW there are a TON of stocks out there. I’ve been salivating at the opportunity of being in them.
Believe it or not, I have NEVER lost money like this in a stock before or have been trapped in a stock like this before. These last 20 months have been BRUTAL. Absolutely BRUTAL.
All I want to do now is SALVAGE the shares that I own in Sirius…and it’s why I am so strongly against a RS.
Yes, I understand what you are saying about there being other stocks. I could literally throw a dart at a stock chart and make more money then I’ve made with Sirius.
ALL I want to do is to GET OUT of this stock as close to break even as possible.
It is THIS reason and this reason ALONE that I am considering taking the “risk” of throwing the 2 grand into Sirius on a down day if it reaches .25 cents again.
My thinking is that by averaging down this one last time, I would knock my break even point from $2.50 a share to $1.25 a share.
I KNOW it’s a risk. But after being beaten up in this stock and the FCC delay and all that crap….I think I could stomach one last throw of the dice.
If it comes up snake eyes, I only lose 2 grand. All the other money I put into Sirius I’ve accepted losing a long time ago.
But if I throw a “7″ and Sirius refinances it’s debt without a RS or massive dilution, then my chances of getting out at least at break even go up DRAMATICALLY.
I’m still thinking about it. To be honest, I’m waiting on some checks and have a few more weeks of work before I can chuck the whole 2 grand in. Money is tight right now.
But if the timing is right, I am seriously considering doing this.
Besides voting NO on the RS, it will be my LAST attempt to affect my future with this stock. Everything else is out of my hands.
Heres a clip from that Burt Reynolds Dom Deluise move “The END” which i mentioned before. Funny stuff.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=.....re=related
We Sirius Longs are near the “End” too. We have only to wait for Dec 18th when the Reverse Split is going to be voted on and then February when the debt is due. Soon we will know, and the pain will be over.
There are 3 scenarios for us Longs:
1) The 1 for 50 Reverse Split gets approved, and we lose all our shares.
2) Sirius declares BK and we lose all our shares.
3) Mel announces that Sirius has refinanced it’s debt, and a RS or massive dilution is no longer necessary.
Friggen – You know you want to do it, so pull the trigger, you may not get the results you want in two days, but in 6 months you will. Average in and hang on! Look at it this way, if you don’t and the stock gets back to 2 bucks, you will need to be medicated for the rest of your life.
Actually if the stock gets back to $2….I will be close enough to break even with the shares I already have, so I’ll be happy. TRUST ME.
Again…I am going to wait to see if it dips into the 20s again on a bad day perhaps. Then I won’t hesitate to “pull the trigger” as u say.
I’ve been thinking this for days now & I can’t believe the level on this board of the insistence & obsession with getting our $ back in our investment in Sirius by averaging down as if the $ made if this stock goes up is any different or more valuable than the $ that could be made somewhere else.
I’m guilty of it also, because I don’t want to admit I made a mistake and wasted time and $, but our pride and stubbornous is to our detriment.
Is it also possible that we all believe that the returns to be made here will be at such a higher level than anywhere else in this market ?
We all dream of the big move to 2.50, now 1.25 or 1.50 by averaging down with more shares.
This is sick irrational behavior. We don’t want to take the $ we have left and put it somewhere else for the fear of missing out on a run higher, a run we have been waiting for, for 3 years, willing to keep sinking more $ when we know there will still be massive dilution for Feb converts and a good risk this will go to 0.
This is sadomasichism.
If I could only be back to what my account was worth on Labor Day, when this stock was at 1.40. I had lost so much so quick, like all of us after such high expectations of seeing a big pop on merger approval, but still hanging on the hope that Mel had something miraculous to say Post Labor Day.
I though it was devastating then and now look at me, look at us because of all of the above. Now what, put more $ in and ride this to 20 cents. Then what, well it can’t go any lower & meanwhile some other stocks are making some sizeable gains.
Friggin gave me great advise to put my $ somewhere else and I will try in the coming week and if I’m successful to add $ to my account, I might just stay away from Siri, but keep a close eye on it and may just look to pick spots to buy in if it takes a big hit lower, but I’ll be in, then out.
As much as I’d like to say, let me leave the balance of my $ in and close my eyes and pray for the next 15 months and still 950 M in debt to go, I would have to be absolutely insane to continue to do this.
Friggin gave me the best advise a few days back and I am I trying to resist the lure of this stock. Maybe we all should and take our lives back.
You want to hear something ironic or eery, well here it is. Everyone knows who Joe Clayton is and his role in Sirius, it’s demise and how many shares he sold on the open market robbing us in the last 5 years. Well I had invested in Global Crossing (Joe Clayton was the CEO) back in the tech wreck days at around $12, lost a good 10 G’s when they went BK and wound up filling out those class action suit forms to get a few $’s back and waited almost 2 years.
I received my check from GC for about $250 on the friday that the FCC approved this merger and thought it was amazing timing & a good omen. Can you believe the timing.
Do I need to say anymore ?
Clayton is, was and always will be a crook and is an evil son of a bitch. He may have cursed Sirius and then his face pops up on Orbicast getting a seat on the board or Dish Network and the speculation began – does this mean Dish migt buy Sirius ?
What a an absolutute nightmare this stock is, yet we all have hope of a MIRACLE, with the devil Joe Clayton still lurking.
I TOTALLY hear you SXMinvester. And I don’t want to sound like a hypocrite….but I am torn. Is it masochistic? Yup. But is it also a good strategy? Possibly.
I’ve got 10,000 shares right now. If I “averaged down” ONE last time at .25 cents for $2,000 worth of Sirius, I could nearly DOUBLE my shares with 18,000.
YES. I curse all my previous “averaging down” attempts. But all those times I threw in ALOT more money for ALOT less shares.
At this point…my thinking is that if I’m gonna F UCK up one last time…this ain’t a bad way to go out….cause the upside is a potential doubling of my profits should Sirius make even a small run….and the downside is I’m only out another 2 grand.
The good news is that if I DO pull the trigger one last time, I won’t have THAT long to wait to find out if my gamble paid off. With the 3Q earnings report coming up, we’ll find out some info that will indicate a direction(either up or down). Then a month later on December 18th we have the infamous shareholder meeting where we will find out if the dreaded Reverse Split is a Yeah or a Nay. And finally by February, we will find out if the debt refinancing gets done and if it is favorable to shareholders or not.
So…unlike waiting for the merger that ended up putting us thru the ringer for 18 friggin months….we will only have to wait 3 more months to find out if our gamble paid off.
This is my last chance/hope to get some of my Sirius money back. After this, I will either write the whole thing off as a colossal loss and move on OR throw a little party.
YES I could be investing in OTHER equities. But the thing is I don’t have alot of cash on hand right now. My ideal trading/investing amount has always been $20,000. With 20 grand I was always able to make a NICE chunk of change trading and sometimes investing long term. It was all working so beautifully until I broke every one of my rules with Sirius. At least I will have learned something should this all end badly.
To think of how much I could be making in this market with my initial 20 Gs. Argh! Hell…I’d kill just to have 10 grand right now(which I did a few months ago).
Sadly I don’t have anywhere NEAR that amount now. I’m almost at $2 grand cash….and if I sold my Sirius shares now I would ALMOST have $4 grand. Yes I will kick myself ONE last time should I NOT sell and then lose it all.
Call it stubbornness. Call it stupidity.
But…it’s like I’ve gone so far to the wall with this…might as well see it to the bitter end. At least thats my philosophy.
Last time I “averaged down” was at $1 for $4,000. If I had THAT money back perhaps I wouldn’t be thinking this way. 6 grand is alot closer to 10 grand than 2 is.
LOL. look at me. I’m like a friggin drug addict trying to rationalize his addiction. LOL.
I’ve got a “SIRIUS” problem.
But again…we are soooooo close to an end here. Pretty soon it will all be over. We will KNOW what our fate will be within 3 short months.
If we get thru this 3 months without the RS or MASSIVE dilution AND the refinancing is favorable….THEN I’d be content and confident to wait it out for as long as it takes. Then all that will be left is my original faith in the product…without ALL this other CRAP that has gunked up the works and fed the short machine for so long.
Will the shorts and bashers still be out there? Sure. But if ALL these issues which have been their MAIN talking points the last few years are REMOVED…I will be able to breath alot easier.
So this is where we are. The REAL moment of truth. I KNOW we all thought that moment was going to be when the FCC finally approved the merger. I’m still hurting from that disappointment.
But this is REALLY it. In 3 short months it’ll either be the END of hope for longs….OR the END of hope for the shorts. We will KNOW soon.
And it’s for this reason and what I’ve been thru the last 3 years that I am willing to throw down ONE last time.
If a miracle happens, gaining another 8,000 shares on the cheap will look like the BEST move I could have made….and will all but ensure that I reach my 20 grand minimum again. If I can reach that amount, I’ll be a happy man. I would have no guilt about cashing out then. And if GOD is smiling on me…LOL….it will happen while so many of the OTHER stocks I’ve been looking at these last 3 years are still down.
Of course it could go the other way too…and I lose it all. Like I said, I’ve already gone thru the emotional pain of losing it as I watched it drop from $6 to .20 cents over the last 3 years….so losing another $2,000 on top of it all won’t feel that bad.
Then I could start over. Begin to save all over again.
OR I could cash out right now and start over with close to 4 grand.
This is my dilemma.
One I share with MANY a long.
For example…a couple of the stocks I was watching this last week were LVLT and ESLR.
If I had that 4 grand I could have put it into LVLT and doubled my money to 8 grand in less than a week.
Coulda woulda shoulda.
I just want this Sirius nightmare to be over, so I can emotionally and financially let it go once and for all. EVERY other stock I’ve watched has given investors MANY MANY opportunities to cash out of. Sirius has gone nothing but down and stayed down. No pops for longs to get out. The only weapon we’ve had is to “average down” and hope to get closer to an out on any pop. But each time we think we hit a bottom, we drop lower. It has been the longest case of a falling knife that I’ve ever experienced!
Will the knife FINALLY hit the floor with a resounding THWACK! as Sirius goes to ZERO? Or will we FINALLY be able to catch the knife by the handle and stop this madness?