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		<title>By: SiriGuy</title>
		<link>http://siriusbuzz.com/sirius-xm-in-trouble-again.php/comment-page-3#comment-108062</link>
		<dc:creator>SiriGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 12:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note: In the first paragraph of the preceeding comment, OEM was mistakenly used.  The author meant to write Retail, but found the lost hour last night to been too much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note: In the first paragraph of the preceeding comment, OEM was mistakenly used.  The author meant to write Retail, but found the lost hour last night to been too much.</p>
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		<title>By: SiriGuy</title>
		<link>http://siriusbuzz.com/sirius-xm-in-trouble-again.php/comment-page-3#comment-108061</link>
		<dc:creator>SiriGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 12:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OEM Subs was NEGATIVE in Q3, and insiders have seen a further decline in OEM subs since.  If Brandon takes OEM into account, the net loss of subcribers in 2009 will be greater than 2M.

A few of his numbers were however incorrect.  He used 50% penetration of receivers in new cars, Siri puts this close to 55%.  Lets give Siri the benefit of the doubt and say 50% of these new cars with receivers installed will turn into paying subs (Remember, the first 3-6M of these subs are free).

There is currently slightly less than 20M subs, not 21M, and the monthly churn has historically been closer to 1.6% so lets use that figure since you longs want alot of benefit of the doubt.

Using these rosier numbers for Siri performance still shows a NET LOSS for 2009.  The only question is, is the 1.6% churn a monthly figure, or quarterly?  This would reduce the projected losses, but still the total is a net LOSS.  Also, Siri does not account for an increasing churn as more of the new car sales are sold to existing customers who will be shutting down their old receivers.

As stated earlier, in Q3 2008 Retail Subs was a net LOSS.  The only new receiver released for the 4Q holidays was the XMp3, which I have only found available online.  I estimate Retail for Q4, and going on into 2009 will contine to lose subscribers as EVERYTHING retail has declined in recent months.

9.1 million auto sold times 55 % penetration rate = 4,950,000 new installations.
4,950,000 new installations times 50% penetration (currently running below that) = 2,475,000 new oem subscribers.
19,700,000 subscribers times 1.6 % monthly churn = 3,782,400 deactivated subscribers.
3,782,400 - 2,475,000 = 1,307,400 subscribers to be lost in 2009</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OEM Subs was NEGATIVE in Q3, and insiders have seen a further decline in OEM subs since.  If Brandon takes OEM into account, the net loss of subcribers in 2009 will be greater than 2M.</p>
<p>A few of his numbers were however incorrect.  He used 50% penetration of receivers in new cars, Siri puts this close to 55%.  Lets give Siri the benefit of the doubt and say 50% of these new cars with receivers installed will turn into paying subs (Remember, the first 3-6M of these subs are free).</p>
<p>There is currently slightly less than 20M subs, not 21M, and the monthly churn has historically been closer to 1.6% so lets use that figure since you longs want alot of benefit of the doubt.</p>
<p>Using these rosier numbers for Siri performance still shows a NET LOSS for 2009.  The only question is, is the 1.6% churn a monthly figure, or quarterly?  This would reduce the projected losses, but still the total is a net LOSS.  Also, Siri does not account for an increasing churn as more of the new car sales are sold to existing customers who will be shutting down their old receivers.</p>
<p>As stated earlier, in Q3 2008 Retail Subs was a net LOSS.  The only new receiver released for the 4Q holidays was the XMp3, which I have only found available online.  I estimate Retail for Q4, and going on into 2009 will contine to lose subscribers as EVERYTHING retail has declined in recent months.</p>
<p>9.1 million auto sold times 55 % penetration rate = 4,950,000 new installations.<br />
4,950,000 new installations times 50% penetration (currently running below that) = 2,475,000 new oem subscribers.<br />
19,700,000 subscribers times 1.6 % monthly churn = 3,782,400 deactivated subscribers.<br />
3,782,400 &#8211; 2,475,000 = 1,307,400 subscribers to be lost in 2009</p>
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		<title>By: sxminvestor</title>
		<link>http://siriusbuzz.com/sirius-xm-in-trouble-again.php/comment-page-3#comment-107963</link>
		<dc:creator>sxminvestor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 17:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Muscle -
It is time to give up. brandon is mixing net vs Gross and doesn&#039;t understand that this is in his churn % already. In addition OEM deals are 3 mos, 6 mos, 1 year so you can&#039;t just plainly say 9.1 X 50% penetration X 50% take rate on that. Also there are many otehr types of deals where they are not counted as subs until after 3 mos expire, penetration rates increasing to 60% this year and likelt 70% next. It&#039;s funny how some people just have a mental block on certain things, but seem so intellectual on others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Muscle -<br />
It is time to give up. brandon is mixing net vs Gross and doesn&#8217;t understand that this is in his churn % already. In addition OEM deals are 3 mos, 6 mos, 1 year so you can&#8217;t just plainly say 9.1 X 50% penetration X 50% take rate on that. Also there are many otehr types of deals where they are not counted as subs until after 3 mos expire, penetration rates increasing to 60% this year and likelt 70% next. It&#8217;s funny how some people just have a mental block on certain things, but seem so intellectual on others.</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
		<link>http://siriusbuzz.com/sirius-xm-in-trouble-again.php/comment-page-3#comment-107955</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 15:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brandon you are looking pretty stupid that was not an explanation of that number you gave. Listen I will do this ONE MORE TIME 19 million X 1.7% = 323,000 per month X 3 months (in a quarter) = 969,000 lost to churn in a quarter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brandon you are looking pretty stupid that was not an explanation of that number you gave. Listen I will do this ONE MORE TIME 19 million X 1.7% = 323,000 per month X 3 months (in a quarter) = 969,000 lost to churn in a quarter.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon Matthews</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brandon Matthews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 15:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you have an older replay as I do, I&#039;m going to let you in on a little secret. You don&#039;t have to bring it inside at all.

If you use the wireless transmitter, just tune your home stereo, am/fm clock radio or whatever to the same station you listen to in your car and Voila....Sirius in every room in your house!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you have an older replay as I do, I&#8217;m going to let you in on a little secret. You don&#8217;t have to bring it inside at all.</p>
<p>If you use the wireless transmitter, just tune your home stereo, am/fm clock radio or whatever to the same station you listen to in your car and Voila&#8230;.Sirius in every room in your house!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve O</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 15:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saatradical,

The plug/dock &amp; plays are the way to go if you want to listen in multiple locations for the price of one subscription. This obvious fact seems to be lost on the idiotic American public. I have had my Sportster Replay for over 3 years - moving it from car to house hundreds of times - and it still works great. If it was in the dash, I would have to drive the car into the living room. My doors are standard width; ain&#039;t gonna happen! You brought up a good point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saatradical,</p>
<p>The plug/dock &amp; plays are the way to go if you want to listen in multiple locations for the price of one subscription. This obvious fact seems to be lost on the idiotic American public. I have had my Sportster Replay for over 3 years &#8211; moving it from car to house hundreds of times &#8211; and it still works great. If it was in the dash, I would have to drive the car into the living room. My doors are standard width; ain&#8217;t gonna happen! You brought up a good point.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve O</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 04:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>frigginregan,

I&#039;m with you, man. All this speculation is a waste of time. This company is reluctant to disclose their wheelings &amp; dealings, so we might as well chill as best we can. All I care about is that they have the subscribers best interest in mind. The evidence would seem to be to the contrary, but I will reserve judgment (as best I can), until this soap opera runs its course.

 Hang in there. This has been HELL; I feel for all of you fine people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>frigginregan,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m with you, man. All this speculation is a waste of time. This company is reluctant to disclose their wheelings &amp; dealings, so we might as well chill as best we can. All I care about is that they have the subscribers best interest in mind. The evidence would seem to be to the contrary, but I will reserve judgment (as best I can), until this soap opera runs its course.</p>
<p> Hang in there. This has been HELL; I feel for all of you fine people.</p>
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		<title>By: Winagain35</title>
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		<dc:creator>Winagain35</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 17:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, looks like all the conjecture about the &quot;going concern&quot; can be put to rest for now.
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/090306/ny80124.html?.v=1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, looks like all the conjecture about the &#8220;going concern&#8221; can be put to rest for now.<br />
<a href="http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/090306/ny80124.html?.v=1" rel="nofollow">http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/09......html?.v=1</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brandon Matthews</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brandon Matthews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 17:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://satwaves.com/</description>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 17:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is all great info. but, Can someone tell me what happened to Sirius XM e-mail that &quot;next week find out why xm makes more sense than ever&quot; Was this it ???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is all great info. but, Can someone tell me what happened to Sirius XM e-mail that &#8220;next week find out why xm makes more sense than ever&#8221; Was this it ???</p>
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