Sirius XM Cramer Wars
As any Sirius investor knows, Jim Cramer has seemingly been attempting to pummel the stock lately. There seems to be a mass knee-jerk reaction to perceived negativity, with no one venturing out to look at whether or not his statements have any merit. In this case the argument stems from opposing viewpoints, yet all parties seemingly have the same facts.
Firms such as Merrill Lynch and Citigroup have set much higher price targets than Jim Cramer and Goldman Sachs. Just like Republicans and Democrats, they are looking at the same picture and arriving at opposite conclusions. It’s easy to see the reasoning behind Merrill Lynch’s Jessica Reif Cohen’s analysis of the stock as she continually provides updates and gives solid reasoning for her methodology.
In the case of Cramer, he seems to offer only opinion and that is where the problem lies. According to a recent filing from Goldman Sachs however, his opinion may be based on certain facts that I have discovered. As it turns out, Goldman Sachs owns nearly 130 million dollars worth of those February 2009 convertibles that Jim references in most of his Sirius XM “bashing sessions.” Most people understand that Jim worked for Goldman Sachs and it would stand to reason that certain “information” found its way to him from the top. I’m not saying Goldman is manipulating the stock price, I’m just saying Jim seems to be warning people that that the price may be manipulated going into Q1 of next year. That’s not what a bad guy does. A bad guy would tell people to buy despite the risks.
Everyone is blaming Jim for the merger deal getting killed initially and forcing Sirius into a corner. It is beginning to look more to me like Jim is a pawn in all of this. What appears to be Goldman padding their already beefy portfolio with Sirius XM stock is more likely to be short covering as the “bond bullies” of Goldman and Friends keep manipulating the stock by shorting and covering; over and over again just as Jim stated. (IMHO) The conflict boils down to the perceptions of traders vs. investors. The long term growth prospects of Sirius make it an appealing stock to own however short term bumps are something a trader would play rather than go long on.
Not coincidentally I’m sure, Jim has come out and stated as much without naming names or pointing fingers. When Mel did the Mad Money interview, he also gave insight into this problem. Cramer has suggested that people looking to initiate new positions wait until the refinancing deal is done in February. That’s probably a prudent thing to do if you are in his line of work. Mel stated that the company is working to get this convert issue out of the way. An investor on the other hand would use any dips to lower their cost average.
The prospects of Q4 could cause the company’s stock to reach that magical 4.00 price at which time the convertibles would execute the swap and go long. In my opinion, Cramer may actually be looking out for the little guy in this as I believe he was just as blindsided as the rest of the Sirius XM investment community, but of course he cannot admit that. It may be time to give Jim the benefit of the doubt, and begin a conversation about what to do about the convertible situation and the arbitrage that has been plaguing shareholders.
In my opinion I believe this is the first priority of Mel and Co.. I believe they are working diligently behind the scenes to get these matters in order. As an investor, I’ve certainly had ups and downs but I’m ok with that because the long term prospects of the company are sound in my opinion. Is Sirius a stock for the weak hearted? Possibly not at this time. Is Jim Cramer doing what he feels is right? Probably so based on the information he has.
Position: Long SIRI

Homer985, Thanks for the breakdown of Q1 and Q2. The Royalties are not going away and depending on usage / subscribers may in fact go up over time (with increasing revenues to support them we hope). The MLB payments will stay the same and I have agreed that the letter of credit will remove some pressure if applied to paying down existing debt. My comment of robbing Peter to pay Paul, is that they are maxed out on their credit facility to pay off their very restrictive GM revolving facility (can only be used to pay GM expenses), Surety bond, Royalty Board court decision, Merger Costs, and cash balance replenishment, and that debt is all expiring on May 5, 2009. The $350 Mil by the way had fairly favorable terms. I just am not seeing how this all goes away in 2009 or even 2010 for XM and now Sirius XM Radio without a major influx of cash from increase revenues.
Oh I know that Brandon. And I’m also not naive enough to assume Sirius would ever adopt any of our ideas.
I was just curious if you saw anything short of a favorable debt refinancing in February that would be powerful enough to change wall streets attitude on Sirius and move the stock.
Or are you resigned to accepting what Cramer says and that Sirius is COMPLETELY at the mercy of the debt/convert issue?
It seems to me that this is still a glass half full/half empty scenario. Yes Goldman has been “right” in predicting(manipulating) the stock price. More so than those like Citi who predicted much higher stock prices of $4.50 to $6.50.
Yes the debt issue is a reality….but so is Sirius XM’s potential future growth. We’ve all seen companies with MASSIVE dillution or debt EXPLODE upwards in spite of such issues.
All it would take is some great news from Mel, some great numbers in Q3…and some nice upgrades, and I think we could trump the Goldman Sachs strangle hold on the stock price. The tide could turn.
Brandon & frigginregan, I hope you don’t mind my jumping in here and if you do…..I can’t help myself.
First of all can we all just agree that GS and Weinke, and Cramer, through his relationship with GS, had information about the financing deal prior to the merger. I find it highly suspect that in seeking financing that XM and Sirius didn’t approach GS for investment banking business prior to the merger approval.
In saying that, and GS not getting the business, I agree that they adopted a strategy to choke the company’s stock with the shares that they already controlled. Their recent purchase of additional shares is to further strengthen their choke hold on the company. They can “Short” the stock and at the same time be a lender of shares to others who want to short the stock, making their position very strong to say the least. This in conjunction with the Convertible Arbitrage refinancing at the time of the merger is almost unsurmountable at this time. With this type of strategy, Weinkes is not a genius with a Crystal Ball, he and Cramer have insider information that as long as they do not personally or have anyone they know trading on the stock, which I think makes it legal, gives them the wisdom of a “Seer” on where the SP is heading. This is not Paranoid thinking, it’s Wall Street strategy. Its all Legal until someone is Caught.
Brandon to your articles point, I and you agree, that Cramer probably didn’t have the info, because of his high profile public personality, until the deal was done. Now he walks a fine line of being the “Caped Crusader” for the little guy (LOL), while trying to maintain his much more valuable contacts and relationships with Wall Street Insiders. Thus his “New” Advice is to not start a new position until after the Feb 09, deal is done. The end result is we as Retail Investors get screwed because we ARE invested in this company. Cramer’s “Game”, which gets him ratings and hits on his site, hurts the small retail investor, period. There will be no tears for Cramer from me.
Cos1000,
I agree with alot of what you said. We all have our theories why the price is being held down, and there are also inescapable facts as to why this is so.
Still….do you REALLY think that Goldman Sachs is ALL powerful? Yes they are the current kings of Wall Street. But They also aren’t the only big firms who hold major positions in Sirius…and ultimately they certainly don’t have TOTAL control of the stock.
Again I agree that Goldman is manipulating this stock and their are certain parties that are in league with Goldman no doubt.
But they don’t control ALL the shares. And I still believe with the right conditions, news from Mel and other positive factors, other parties with a stake in Sirius can stand up and change the course this stock has taken.
Until then, it’s a waitings game. But as someone whose been as long as I have…ain’t no big thang. I’m a patient guy.
cos1000, as you know we had dicussed this financing issue before on Seeking Alpha. We all knew financing was not going to be easy, but that it would get done one way or the other. It was even talked about, SIRI having to do a real dilution of shares to get it done. The fact is where they would be with the amount of shares outstanding after the merger, whats another 500 million (at the time the PPS was at around 2.4).
Cramer is a short term stock analyst. He gets it right just over half the time. He does not know what the stock will be in a year or 2. On his show he has said he does not care about where any stock will be that far out. He is there for the trade, not for the buy and hold.
cos1000, we know listening to Cramer is like spitting into the wind, when it comes to the long term of now SIRIXM.
GOldman is likely buying to hedge their short positions in SIRI. People don’t get it.
What’s interesting to me is not how the game involved with investing in Sirius is changing to keep the price down, but rather how the whole playing field is about to change.
john, hey good to see your still around and kicking and you and I know this hoopla about Cramer is a big yawn…..but it does spell out the beginning of a new playing field for Sirius XM Radio. GS and Cramer, so long as Mel breaths, will not get any new business or news from Mel.
Zach401, Goldman is definitely buying to hedge, they all do. Goldman though is grinding an axe because their not going to get the business from Mel. They can and do control a lot of shares directly and indirectly of this company. Whether their buying long and hedging short, or just lending their shares short, who knows on any given day.
That’s the problem…..along with the “dead silence” from the Sirius Xm since the merge. I’m not surprised by the silence. Until the date for Appeals goes by with the FCC, I think that’s around Aug. 27th, why should the new company talk at all. Mel said after Labor Day and I Heard HIM. After Labor Day the plans for growth, debt resolution, new products, new partnerships, should and can all be release. There is a lot of work to be done….And the Retail Model is definitely Broken. Marketing is not in good shape as expressed by the missed opportunities already. OK OK I’m done. See you all soon have a great, what’s left of the Weekend.
cos1000,
some very good points, particularly one…you know which one I am talking about, and anyone else will have to read your post to figure it out themselves…
let’s see after Labor Day what happens.
shark,
Shhhhhhhhhh!
Setting short-term date for Sirius XM Radio is laughable at this point. I’m long, but the value in this company has been destroyed.
It’s going to take years to rebuild the lost shareholder value.
zach401, you have a higher percentage of being right when you suggest shareholder value will take years to rebuild than someone who looks at this company’s near term difficulties and predicts value in the short term. So what?
Anybody that has been invested in this stock for years and says they are not concerned about the short-term is full of shit.
Sitting by our computers on Monday morning after merger officially approved, Sirus was at 2.80 premarket and now it’s 50% down.
The next short-term move is either to $1 or $2.
Do you care now ?
First Gino, now Brandon. I am completely baffled by this abrupt reversal regarding Cramer’s culpability in this matter. What are you guys smoking? Cramer had a price tag of $5 on the merged company just a few months ago. REMEMBER THAT? It means he believed the combined company was worth 15 billion dollars (above and beyond their outstanding debt). Now it’s worth less than five (debt excluded)???
Also, he had to have known about the company’s existing debt and their need to refinance. Still, he maintained that $5 price tag. Cramer goes on and on and on about how the FCC cost the companies a billion dollars. Yes, that’s true. BUT…the FCC had ALREADY cost the companies millions of dollars BY THE TIME Cramer rendered his $5 price tag. The $5 price FACTORED that in. The companies DID NOT lose a billion dollars in the few short months between his price quote and the merger approval date.
Either Cramer deliberately (or just flippantly) had a inflated price tag BEFORE the merger or he is shortchanging the stock now. I recall him gushing about how the combined company would be HUGE – every single car would have satellite radio, blah, blah, blah. Where has that enthusiasm gone? Now, he complains about SIRI being the most searched stock on his site? A few weeks ago he mocked it for being a $2 lottery ticket; a few days ago he downgraded it to $1 lottery ticket. WTF?
It’s one thing to say Cramer isn’t part of some elaborate conspiracy to depress the stock price and to chalk up his dramatic reversal on SIRI to flippancy…Or even to say investor’s shold do their own due diligence and not rely on Cramer’s views. But to suggest that Cramer is somehow looking out for NEW retail investors by bashing this stock is ridiculous. And the notion that all the analysts who think SIRI is undervalued have it WRONG because they don’t have access to inside information from GS, like Cramer purportedly does, is also pretty far-fetched.
Merger Supporter,
You are absolutely right….
Brandon has some ’spaning to do…
particularly as to this point you raised:
>>>But to suggest that Cramer is somehow looking out for NEW retail investors by bashing this stock is ridiculous.<<<
“Looking out” for “new” retail investtors by destroying the two years plus worth of his viewers he got into the stock, that’s protecting retail investors?
Gino has always been a little inconsistent…
Brandon, however, has some explaining to do…
Cramer and Brandon have obviously flunked the logics course….
protecting the retail investors by destroying the retail investors makes good sense, not…
Brandon, please explain this…how did Cramer protect the retail investors by helping to bash the stock to the $1’s…
Shark…
Read ALL the comments…I believe between my comments and the article, my thoughts are quite clear on the matter.
I liked you Brandon right up to the moment you wrote this article defending Jim Cramer’s action. You ought to wake up and realize you just lost your audience, and crossed over to a place that you really do not want to be.
See what your viewership numbers are after this article as soon as you can measure them. You are going down Brandon just like Cramer.
Brandon’s just trying to get published at thestreet.com like Gino did.
Tyler for you to make liable statements towards Cramer is very risky. Cramer is just telling it like it is and you should embrace this, as he rarely gets it right. In this case he is 100% right.
As a side, who are you to lead these suckers into the black hole? You know nothing of what you speak and you are clearly a pumper of SIRI. No intelligent investors would touch the stock. You are a fool and once SIRI goes bankrupt I will be laughing at you even more.
Posted by: florida135 Date: Sunday, August 24, 2008 10:27:43 AM
In reply to: eastunder who wrote msg# 6163 Post # of 6165
Brandon Matthews, you’ve lost a lot of your creditability with many of us. In my case, I averaged down at $2.32, and again at $1.99. Both times I felt this stock wouldn’t drop much lower. Why would I or anyone else even consider averaging down anymore, when nobody knows, including you, just how many millions more shares are going to be dumped on the market every day !! It seems that neither you or the company itself really knows how many more millions of shares will continue to be sold. Everytime we get a little buying, it’s met by a wave of selling that knocks the price even lower. At this rate, we might see it drop down to the $1 range, before it ever sees $1.50 again. For those folks that are “stuck in this stock” at much higher prices, it’s become a lose -lose proposition.At this point, with so much uncertainty surrounding the continued selling of these seemingly “unlimited” number of shares, how could the company expect anyone to have enough confidence in this stock to buy more shares at “any price” ???? We seem to only have 2 choices here, wait it out and suffer, or sell it and take our bath. I’m tired of hearing that Mel “had to make” that “last minute deal”,in order to have the merger approved. We as shareholders, would be 200% better off, if the merger we all yearned for, “was rejected”. Florida
Cramer did say merger would probaly be approved by june july on approvale it would go to 5 or 6 a week before merger he called it a power house after merger he bashed it and called it a lottery ticket Brandon for you to even suggest that Cramer is looking out is beyond thought what gives dude