Sirius XM Cramer Wars
As any Sirius investor knows, Jim Cramer has seemingly been attempting to pummel the stock lately. There seems to be a mass knee-jerk reaction to perceived negativity, with no one venturing out to look at whether or not his statements have any merit. In this case the argument stems from opposing viewpoints, yet all parties seemingly have the same facts.
Firms such as Merrill Lynch and Citigroup have set much higher price targets than Jim Cramer and Goldman Sachs. Just like Republicans and Democrats, they are looking at the same picture and arriving at opposite conclusions. It’s easy to see the reasoning behind Merrill Lynch’s Jessica Reif Cohen’s analysis of the stock as she continually provides updates and gives solid reasoning for her methodology.
In the case of Cramer, he seems to offer only opinion and that is where the problem lies. According to a recent filing from Goldman Sachs however, his opinion may be based on certain facts that I have discovered. As it turns out, Goldman Sachs owns nearly 130 million dollars worth of those February 2009 convertibles that Jim references in most of his Sirius XM “bashing sessions.” Most people understand that Jim worked for Goldman Sachs and it would stand to reason that certain “information” found its way to him from the top. I’m not saying Goldman is manipulating the stock price, I’m just saying Jim seems to be warning people that that the price may be manipulated going into Q1 of next year. That’s not what a bad guy does. A bad guy would tell people to buy despite the risks.
Everyone is blaming Jim for the merger deal getting killed initially and forcing Sirius into a corner. It is beginning to look more to me like Jim is a pawn in all of this. What appears to be Goldman padding their already beefy portfolio with Sirius XM stock is more likely to be short covering as the “bond bullies” of Goldman and Friends keep manipulating the stock by shorting and covering; over and over again just as Jim stated. (IMHO) The conflict boils down to the perceptions of traders vs. investors. The long term growth prospects of Sirius make it an appealing stock to own however short term bumps are something a trader would play rather than go long on.
Not coincidentally I’m sure, Jim has come out and stated as much without naming names or pointing fingers. When Mel did the Mad Money interview, he also gave insight into this problem. Cramer has suggested that people looking to initiate new positions wait until the refinancing deal is done in February. That’s probably a prudent thing to do if you are in his line of work. Mel stated that the company is working to get this convert issue out of the way. An investor on the other hand would use any dips to lower their cost average.
The prospects of Q4 could cause the company’s stock to reach that magical 4.00 price at which time the convertibles would execute the swap and go long. In my opinion, Cramer may actually be looking out for the little guy in this as I believe he was just as blindsided as the rest of the Sirius XM investment community, but of course he cannot admit that. It may be time to give Jim the benefit of the doubt, and begin a conversation about what to do about the convertible situation and the arbitrage that has been plaguing shareholders.
In my opinion I believe this is the first priority of Mel and Co.. I believe they are working diligently behind the scenes to get these matters in order. As an investor, I’ve certainly had ups and downs but I’m ok with that because the long term prospects of the company are sound in my opinion. Is Sirius a stock for the weak hearted? Possibly not at this time. Is Jim Cramer doing what he feels is right? Probably so based on the information he has.
Position: Long SIRI

You can cut thru all this bullshit with ONE simple inescapable FACT….that Goldman Sachs has continually ADDED shares of Sirius all the while they were bashing them.
Say no more. It is OBVIOUS they are bashing for a reason. And the fact that Cramer is Goldman alum….makes it even more apparent that something fishy is going on.
You don’t add the kind of shares Goldman is adding if you really THINK the company is going bankrupt. If their “agenda” was anymore transparent, it’d be funny. Actually it IS funny.
I don’t even feel that Goldman or Cramer truly believes the pps is going to $1…they’d love it if it did I am sure so they can buy even cheaper shares. But I think they know that as the dust from the merger delay finally settles and after Mel gets some momentum going and lays out his plan…and the synergies become a reality….WALL STREET will begin to take notice, and the debt as Brandon says will become a NON ISSUE.
No one knows for sure whats going to happen. But as a battle fatigued long, I am also battle tested…and I’ll be DAMNED if I’ll let the likes of Cramer, Goldman or some Yahoo bashers shake me out of my shares now.
No way no how brutha.
Long and strong baby. Long and strong.
This has become a battle of attrition.
I mean war of attrition.
I haver been long for over 5 years and lost a ton of money and still believe, but does anyone really believe this stock will triple to $ 4 by January. Come on Brandon ?
This stock can’t even hold a 10 cents move up.
I don’t think there is anyway that it will have a 13.5 billion market cap by then.
I am tired of disappointment and will not hope for anything until after the refinancing of debt.
It’s more than just the Feb converts. I wouldn’t be surprised if you don’t post this because anything that is not a pump that I write seems to disappear.
Hey Brandon. I have a question for you. In light of this info…and I too cut Jim slack so you know.
Would you hold your position as an investor….and average down if it dips….OR would you SELL now in the thought that if it DOES go to $1…you could buy back in.
I only ask, because if I had done this the other month when the merger was approved and the stock was at $2.80 briefly…I could have actually Doubled my position by buying back at the current price.
Like you I believe in this company…and eventually the stock. But if this really could be manipulated down to $1….selling now and buying back in after Feb at $1 could be a good strategy.
Although with my luck…the stock would shoot up to the infamous $4 price before then.
Friggin
I understand your question. Either scenario involves risks. I thought of selling and buying back myself. Imagine…
Middle of September, Sirius announces that they have refi’d or are making a tender offer on those convertibles.
They announce their marketing plans and intro new radios and x-over programming..stock ends up at 3.00…
That’s still below the convert price but the stock gets taken down only to 2.50…now I would be buying back at double the price I sold for…
The only thing I can do, and you should seek professional advice for yourself, is ride it out and continue to buy the dips…
There are 2 quarters between now and Feb 09…
If the stock is still at a buck and a half come January, I will reaccess for myself…
Gino? Is that you? Or are you just channeling the guy?
Seriously though, Cramer is not being entirely truthful here. You have 20-some-odd analysts stating higher estimates and all he sees is the GS report? Maybe it also has something to do with the short position GS probably took to protect their bonds. I cannot and will not defend the guy. Once GS has finished picking up shares, Cramer will pretend he has always liked Sirius. He is a circus monkey.
Good advice Brandon. Actually I don’t need to seek professional council as I have been doing this for awhile on my own with great success.
I’ll just be a monkey’s uncle if I can’t figure this stock out to save my life. It’s at times both exciting and infuriating.
I was pretty much going to do what you suggested anyway. Wait and see. Lol…thats exactly what I did tho leading up to the merger…um…wait and see.
This stock sure ain’t boring tho.
Siri is down more than 80% since Mel got here.
However, his bonus in 2007 increased 33%.
That’s the fat that needs to be trimmed along with all of the redundant employees and stations of XM.
I know this is a pro siri site but those are facts that shouldn’t be ignored.
Yea but how many more subscribers Sirius has since he got there?
I dont make excuses for Cramer, because there are none. Was not the credit market bad when Cramer was calling for a 6 dollar target after the merger. Was it not bad when he changed it from 6 to 5 after the merger. The time frame and the merger synergies were not that effected that much in the 6 weeks that it took him to go from 5 to a 2 dollar lottery ticket. Did SIRI/XMSR credit rating change in the 6 weeks? The answer to that is, NO. The problem with what Cramer did, is he not only changed his mind almost overnight, because he was a dolt and missed alot of things. Then he went as far as to make the stock out, to look like a joke. That is the problem that people now have with Cramer.
I believe people have a right to be mad at Cramer. He got alot of people to buy. Then basically tells them “April Fools” you guys are stupid for buying this stock. I did not believe him then about a 6 or 5 dollar price target, and I dont believe him now. I learned my lesson about Cramer a long time ago with TEVA. (while it is a good stock it did nothing even close to what he said it would do.) It droped like a rock from 41 to 30 a few months after he said it would go way up, and took almost 2 years to get to 48.
I am a ‘longie’ for the last year or so. And not a financial quru. Could anyone give us a few facts on the convertible bond/arbitrage 101 scenario. I know if I get out the stock will shoot up dramatically. Will there be another ‘blindside’ event in this process. I haven’t been able to find a lot of simple facts on this process as it relates to Sirisu XM. Also, I received my 4.6 share convert for my XM stock, but the total SIRI shares outstanding have not gone up. Ans where can I find current/daily short statistics?
I truly don’t understand how one could possibly defend Cramer? In addition, picturing that “one” being A SIRI long. The so called average Joe got killed by Cramer’s Buy rating, which lasted till 8/1/08, and now getting raped by being forced to sell to the big guns at these levels.
Cramer only thinks of one person. Himself! It appears that he simply wants to tell the whole world that he was right with his $1 price target to, again, make himself look good regardless of any possible consequences to SIRI as a company and its shareholders. He has made his point and now needs to shut up. Have you noticed his videos/articles show up when the SIRI stock had been up in previous days? Have you ever thought of that? Do you see a freaking motive? He’s a complete fake and having people like you, Gino and others defending him will only make matters worse.
HE HAS ADMITTED TO WRONGDOINGs AND BREAKING LAWS IN THE PAST AND AS SOMEBODY SAID SOMEWHERE ELSE “ONCE A CROOK, ALWAYS A CROOk.”
Do people actually listen to Cramer for their investment advice?
I believe the events that can change the downward pressure and make stock go up would be financing at a favorable rate without having to do do another convertable stock offering or an investment from an outside company (cash infusion)
If not I feel that the big boys want to take this down another notch to get in lower.
I am on the fence and so badly want to sell to catch it lower with more shares, but know it will shoot up on some news once I do it.
Brandon are you saying that Goldman Sachs owns $130 Million of the 2-1/2% convertibles due in 2009, or a little over 43.34% of the 300 Million due? How does this tie into what’s been going on those convertibles were issued in Feb 04, $250 Mil. and in March 04, $50 Mil. I’m confused how this defends Cramer and explains GS’ actions. Please clarify.
By the way in addition these convertibles are not secured by any of Sirius XM’s assets. How does this justify them taking the stock down? Even if they are shorting the stock, the convertibles are not secured why take the company down that needs to make good on them?
For some encouraging news see the article at ’satwaves.com’ titled ‘Something To Consider’. This could be our ‘blindsided’ recovery or the next blindside.
http://satwaves.com/something-.....nsider.php
This article states some interesting facts on the convertible bond and a key date of 27 August, 2008, 12 A.M., involving 200 million shares.
I’m saying that Cramer is trying to warn people that Goldman is manipulating the stock price but because of his affiliations with them, he cannot provide any details. I can only speculate on the reasoning behind this, and would venture a guess that Goldman wants the investment banking business from Sirius and they are trying to paint them into a corner.
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/ed.....200802.txt
Brandon,
I am starting to question your motives! So, let me get this straight. Cramer is on our side while Lehman, Merrill, S&P, Citi…. with their “Buy Now” recommendations are there to trap us!?Cramer knows more than all of them combined, right?
Your defending Jim Cramer is simply mind boggling given how you feel about SIRI as a company and how hard ther’re working to refinance the notes due in FEB., May and Dec. of next year. If you truly believe in the potentials for SIRI and the fact that he’s still getting confidential/inside trading tips from GS, you shouldn’t even place any credence on his prdictions, outlook or comments let alone defending the crook — because all he wants to do is for his buddies to either cover or buy in at lower prices.