Pros and Cons of Owning Sirius XM Radio Stock
With the share price of Sirius XM dropping into the teens, people are questioning the chances of bankruptcy now more than ever before. There are certainly dark spots for the prospects of Sirius XM. As readers of the forums have heard me say MANY times, I think that in order to be an informed investor, you have to know the positives as well as the negatives of any company in order to make sound investment decisions. Because of this, I am going to list many issues, both good AND bad about Sirius XM, and let the reader decide for themselves.
Negatives:
- Huge Debt: 1 billion due in 2009, 3.4 billion in total debt
- Financing problems: Banks are not lending
- Economy: People are not buying cars.
- Churn: Due to long term contracts and trials, the real effect of the economy may not be reflected in the churn for 6-12 months. It certainly wasn’t showing it in Q3 conference call, but churn may rise slightly in Q4, and then skyrocket in Q1 and Q2. That could have a very bad effect on the stock.
- Dilution: At this point, I think dilution would actually be preferable to BK, and everyone that voted against the share offerings and RS may want to reconsider. I would rather have my shares become a smaller piece of the company (with a chance of rising in the next year or so) than a useless piece of paper.
- R/S: Desperation at it’s finest. Is it time? It may very well be. (read reason above)
- Stern: His contract is up in January of 2011. About the time they finish off refinancing all of this debt for 2009, it will be time to start talking to Howard about renewing. What will that price tag be, both for keeping him AND for loosing him. Same goes for some other key talent, such as Bubba the Love Sponge.
Positives:
- Strong subscriber growth will outpace the low-balled projections, as will revenue.
- FCF: Company stated that in Q3, they were very close to break even, and they have no reason to doubt their history of positive FCF for Q4 would not continue. This will add some much needed cash to the coffers. 2009 will be totally break even for the year, even after CAPEX now. 2010 will be a huge year for Sirius XM, and stock will take off. (if it is still here)
- OEMS: What goes down will eventually come back up. In an article of Tyler’s, he gives evidence that when it comes to car sales, historically they come back in a BIG way. When it does, subscriber numbers will explode beyond ANYONES projections.
- Merger Synergies: The Company has already pointed to a large group of synergies that it was able to recognize in Q3 with only 2 months of operating together, and those numbers will only grow exponentially.
- Stock Price: The stock is priced for bankruptcy at this time. Any news at all about financing will breathe life into this company, regardless of how ugly financing may be. Sirius has projected that in 5 years they will be bringing in 1.4 billion in Free Cash Flow per year, so they should be able to start payind down debt in 2011, if not sooner. (Notice I said START paying it down, not pay it off)
- Possible increase in ad dollars: I agree with Brandon’s article where he states that the recent channel consolidation that happened last week, as well as the Best of Both offerings, now allow Sirius XM to market their product in a much bigger way to attract big name (and big dollar) advertisers to Satellite Radio. Now instead of advertising to a mere 9 million subscribers, advertisers can potentially be advertising to nearly 19 million subscribers.
In the end, it comes down to weather or not Sirius XM can weather the storm that will be the year 2009. What do you think? Feel free to post your comments here or over in the forums.
Position: Long Sirius XM.

Sorry my computer is a little messed up. All I am saying is this stock is under total manipulation,
by players that would rather see Sirius Xm be no more. It truly is a sucker punch to Mel, because they are hitting him where it hurts, and that is his reputation to be known as a darling on wall street.
Might want to change your name to SiriusBasher. Cause obviously the Hope is gone for you. The entire market is in shambles not just Sirius
john, how soon will mel know how much fc they actually get from the 4th Q? I’m sure he has some financing lined up in various ways. Do you think he is waiting to see how much actual fc is generated in the 4th q before he pulls the trigger?
John,
You’re right about the debts in 2009. In addition, the December maturity note is XM’s and Sirius can actually default on it which, again, would bankrupt XM, as SIRI’s subsidiary, without affecting the parent, Sirius.
So, we’re talking about a company that will have revenues of $2.7B with only ~$560M in debts due in 2009 out of which $350M (May Debt) can be simply extended. If you have been listening to Mel, you already know that he has been concentrating on the Feb. & May debts for the time being because he has the luxuary of defaulting on the Dec. notes if things don’t go as planned in his long-term forecast.
John…
Assuming we have a decent 4th qtr. What do you project for the cash burn for Jan, Feb, March, April and May?
Are you assuming based on the Mel’s projection of CFBE for all of 2009?
If so, you are talking about threading the needle with the Feb note, operating costs, CFBE and what’s left of cash on hand.
That would be like a throwing a 70 yard Hail Mary and we come down with it.
Am I assuming correctly?
Vaporgold
On the brighter side!!
GS fell below its IPO today!!! LOL!!!
vaporgold: No, I am basing my opinions on past experience. In the entire time that Mel has been in charge of Sirius (and now Sirius XM), Mel has only missed projections 1 time, and every other time they have blown past them.
I am concerned about the cash burn for the first two quarters of 2009, as I have said in multiple locations. We unfortunately do not have any comparisons because the merger JUST closed. What I do know, is that historically Q2 has been a stronger quarter than Q3, and during the CC, they mentioned that minus one time charges, Q3 was very close to break even.
I do not think this is a 70 yard hail mary… I think it equates more to a 3rd and 20 after a holding penalty… There is a long way to go, but there is a little time to get there… VERY little
Dread, sorry for the delayed reply. I’m on a non-profit board and just got home from a meeting. Re. your post to me above: “Are you considering pulling the trigger to cost average down now? Or do you think there is more downside? I am thinking this puppy is going below .10.”
Your guess is as good as mine on whether SIRI goes to .0x, Dread, but I know that trendlines don’t lie; they reflect historical direction. Simple regression analysis also says the trend is further south. SIRI’s trendline at any level looks bad. Nothing would make me happier than to see SP arc upward, trend north, and break above the 13-day line. I’d be even happier if it confirmed, but I might still not buy more, not until I see significantly steady northward movement toward the critical 50-day line. A climb to and throuh the 200-day line, if ever, is probably years away, or at least not until well into 2010 or later if the company and SIRI in its current form survive.
Given SIRI’s near- to mid-term history a climb to and confirmation above even the 13d line is not a bet I would make right now.
I’ve also been watching the Bollinger Bands (20d at 2SD, and 10 at 1.9SD). When I checked yesterday after the close only the narrow band showed any promise, but it was tempered by the continuing trend–down.
If I had to guess, and that is all it is, then it would be that SIRI will be near a dime come time for the shareholders meeting (positive surprise nothwithstanding–PLEASE). This really is just supposition, but if it hits ten cents and the RS gets passed, and if Mel did a 50:1 (top of the range he’s asking for), then it would push the SP to only about $5 (which of course means no gain given the share count tradeoff). I would hope that after any reverse split SIRI would be at least $5 or more so (for however “short” a period of time) it gets lifted out of the penny stock bin.
I can’t wait to get hammered by the replies to this, but remember mine is a guess, only a guess, and nothing but a guess so help me God.
Will I pull the trigger again? I’ve been doing some what ifs. At a dime I can load relatively massively. But then there is the same risk we’ve faced since the merger, that the stock will continue to slide.
For now I continue to hold and monitor the buzz about the proxy vote. Still haven’t decided whether to vote yes or no to the requested measures. All along I have leaned toward no and still do; however, I want all the info I can get prior to the vote cutoff so that I feel confident about which way I go.
One more quick comment on SIRI hitting a dime. If I do buy then it will be to more than triple my current stake and average me down to near .70 a share. Even at .70, though, I would still have a paper loss on my hands. It’s a very tough time to be a long.
Buying while the SP is so extremely attractive is risky, but what if afterward the price reverses course? It would mean progessively less loss, possibly break even, and more remotely possibly put me in the black. But I’m dreaming.
Also from the upside perspective holding as I am carries with it the risk of missing an opportunity. But it is safer than buyng more right now. My inclination is to not buy until after the shareholder meeting and likely also not until we either learn for certain that the February debt WILL get handled, or until after that part of the ‘09 debt is handled.
Wish I could look at the fundamentals and technicals (all pertinent upper and lower indicators) and offer some optimism. It’s just not there.
C’mon Mel. Investors and traders on the long side need you to include our interests in your decision making. The institutional wolves are trying for a kill.
Newman…
Well..I would rather see them go for it rather then any RS and share issue.Which no good would come from it anyhow at this share price.
If they can extend May and since Dec is not even on the horizon, it would be close, Assuming they have a good 4th, 1st and 2qtr.
That would be assuming a lot right now especially with the the big three being played like a political football,and the state of the economy in general.
A lot of damage is being done by both parties as to the stalling of the loans to the Big 3. People are not going to buy any of them, if they think there is a chance that car company could be gone in six months.
They should be encouraging confidence in the consumer to get that market segment moving again.
I do think it may be tougher then a 3rd and twenty, primarliy because the assumption is that all the cash flow will happen, but I do agree with you we have very little time.
imho
vaporgold
Newman…
Also, thanks for responding.
vaporgold
In a world where the biggest financial giants of modern times are crumbling before us.
Where cornerstones of busines. Lehman. Citibank. Bear Stearns. AIG. GM. Ford. Chrysler. Home Depot.Fre Frn. GE.
Where JPM and GS and MS are completely cash strapped due to asset devaluation and accounting procedures.
Where Market Caps of these lending companies has devalued and leveraged them to the brink of extinction.
Do you really think there is a facility of any kind capable of loaning money to a satellite radio company that relies on auto sales for it’s core growth??????
These same auto companies that are two steps from Bankruptcy…………
Look read the tea leaves. Obama got elected. The liberal media refuses to acknowledge that we are almost 25% down on the S&P since his election.
Paulson and the Reblicans are pissed and they have decided to take their toys and show the country what a real “lame duck” presidency looks like.
Everytime one of these companies share price drastically falls, every single time.
The market proves to be right. Show me one other time that a Bear Stearns or Lehman or Washington Mutual or on and on, did not actually go under or like Wachovia merge before it happens.
Think I’m wrong. Maybe only with Ford. We’ll see. Citibank is right now trying to sell itself off. Just like Merrill did to B of A.
I totally enjoy the Sirius/XM product. But we are done. If not today. Soon.
I only regret one thing. Ever hearing about satellite radio.
EOM!
SoCalRun…
I don’t think the loans will be forth coming either. The RS and share issue is a mute point now with this share price as you have stated before.So hopefully we don’t have to worry about that BS.
So that leaves the “Newman Theory”.No offence meant Newman.
There’s always a chance, all the stars would have to align in the heavens or rather cash flow would have to and a few good qtrs.
But what do we have left at this point?
Maybe I am just hoping, hey where is SiriusHope?? he suppose to spread the Hope
vaporgold
Thanks PMO!!
Yeah, just need a view from a different perspective, and you delivered, thanks!
I want more news too, as I am sure everyone on this board does.
I think the cut-off date to vote is 11:59 the night before the shareholders meeting.
If we get any good news about the re/fi between now and then, I will change my vote.
Yeah, short interest on this dog is huge, I guess all we can do is watch this pig and see if she does anything weird.
Just looking at the economy as a whole, no one is safe as you know.
I am going to sit, watch, and wait, for now, thanks again for your view points.
The sun will rise tomorrow, and MOST of us will wake up in the morning, lol!!
A lot of opportunities out there too, just looking across the board, its HUGE, if you can go long, or short. Its amazing to see one day moves that normally take a month to a year, happening on a daily basis.
One analyst from across the pond called for the S@P to hit the 500 range 3 months ago. Looks like he may be right. Now CNBC and the rest of the clowns are coming on board with the same view.
Good luck to everyone and what you are vested in!!
SiriusHope Says:
WHO TRADED 12,600 shares at .0926 around .14 other trades????
Looks to me like someone put a market order in and got hosed, I could be wrong, but somebody got screwed.
LOOK who added more yesterday at .14…
Goldman Sachs Group Inc Institution 2008-11-19 11,244,513
Just look at TMA
2 weeks ago it split from .40 to go to 4 dollars.
Now its back to .32 for yesterdays low and currently sits at .44 cents.
Just to show you they steal even more from you and just doing it in a different way that some just don’t grasp.
R/S are a joke.
AND…
Just a note: SIRI is looking for a Reverse Stock Split. On Nov 7, RBS (Royal Bank of Scotland) had a Reverse 20-1 split. Their stock was at about $1 and it split to $20. Today it is at $12.58. Is this just another way to have more room for SIRI to go down. At least .15 there is not much room to go down. If SIRI gets a 50-1 split and it goes to $7.50 you suddenly have less shares and it could go down to .15 again.
I think I’d rather not split. Based on History, it won’t help. I could be wrong…Any other Thoughts?
ALMOST A YEAR AGO…
30-Nov-07 Price hit new 52-week high ($3.92)
20-Nov-08 Price hit new 52-week low ($0.14)
SuriusHope
You are absolutely correct; a reverse split will accomplish nothing, other than to prevent them from being delisted. It is basically an admission of failure. These son’s of bitches had better be putting their heads to the grindstone and thinking of a solution REAL HARD or they will be held in comtempt by millions of people who supported this company in good faith. If the auto companies tank, and they deserve to, then I don’t know what recourse satellite would have, since most people don’t listen to it in their homes (why, I’ll never know!). What a Goddamn mess !!! This is like waiting for a call from the governor while they are cooking your last meal. Hang in there, pal; maybe the phone will ring. Or maybe Mel will awaken from his coma and start acting with a sense of urgency. That would be a pleasant surprise, buy I’m probably just dreaming.