It Comes Down To Faith
The equity markets are performing poorly. Banks have fallen, and there is the threat that even more bad news could hit the financial sector as Citi becomes the latest target of speculation. People do not know what to invest in, and retirement accounts have been decimated. People, no matter what they are invested in, are expressing dismay and frustration over poor stock performance.
If you are invested in the markets and have not done so already, it may be time to do some soul searching, because like it or not, investments in the markets have boiled down to their simplest form. It all comes down to faith.
Do you have faith in an economic recovery?
Do you have faith in the credit markets easing up?
Do you have faith that consumers will once again feel good about spending?
Those basic questions need to be applied to any equity you are invested in, because these are the core issues that impact nearly everything that is going to happen. When you get to a specific company, you need to ask additional questions of yourself.
Do you have faith that management and the board are acting in your best interest? It seems that the question is simple, but you really should look as deeply as possible. Stocks are performing badly, but it is not unique to one specific company. Are the woes of your investment based on outside influence that are beyond the control of management? If you remove current management, who will replace them? If you vote down a board of directors, who will be at the helm? How long will it take to replace people? What will the impact be on the stock?
For investors in Sirius XM Radio, the annual meeting is coming in late December. Among the items to be considered are the Board of Directors, An authorization to increase the authorized shares to 8 billion, and a reverse split between a range of 10 to 1 – 50 to 1.
Investors are frustrated. That is clear. The question is whether the existing management and board have the capability to steer the course, and whether they have the tools and latitude to make things happen. There are strong arguments on both sides of the proposals, but in the end it boils down to your level of faith as well as what actions will be the most prudent.
Investors should ask questions, participate, and vote. They should also be as informed as possible when they make these decisions, and think about how their action would impact the company. Whether you are for or against certain proposals, you need to think about what transpires in the event that these things actually happen.
If you are against the current board nominees, that is fine, but you need to understand that the company will then be in a position where they need to fill the board seats. Who will those seats be filled by? Will the new board members be aligned with your goals and desires for the company? Are you prepared to have a time period of flux, where new board members get up to speed with the happenings at the company?
If you are voting against the additional authorized shares, that is fine. Have you considered what that actually means? No one likes dilution. Authorizing that number of shares is a scary proposition. The company is looking for breathing room, and flexibility in how they are responding to the current markets. What happens if there is no flexibility? Would this board, or a new board have their hands tied to an extent where their choices are limited?
If you are voting against a reverse split, that is fine. Are you prepared for delisting if the stock price does not get above $1.00. Yes, delisting would take time to process, and a company can appeal, but will even the very process of delaying a delisting impact the company? No one likes reverse splits either, but these are difficult times across the board, and it is in difficult times that difficult decisions need to be made.
It boils down to faith. How much faith do you have in current management? If your answer is that you do not have faith in them, what are your solutions? If you have no solutions on the table, then you need to think deeper.
Some would suggest that there will be time later to address these issues. That is true, but that would require a special meeting, which has costs. If you want the decision to be held off, in what time-frame do you propose these decisions be made? Will holding off on some of these decisions impact the equity? Will it hamper the ability of this, or any management and board to refinance debt, etc.
I think the involvement of shareholders is a wonderful thing. I think people asking questions is prudent. I have seen ideas about refinancing that are innovative and cutting edge, but I have yet to see anyone implement them in a way that takes things to the next level. I have seen people take a stance on certain items, but not think out the next few moves. I have seen people express their votes on certain items without even having heard the Q3 call. What is transpiring with satellite radio needs more than a knee jerk reaction. It needs deeper thought, and most of all demands that you look at you level of faith not just in SDARS, but in the economy as a whole.
Position: Long Sirius XM, No Position CITI






Roadkill….
I was not suggesting anything spirtual, nor was I suggesting blind faith.
With the markets in turmoil, and company after company trading below book value, people need to look at how much faith they have in a company as well as how much faith they have in the economy and the system.
SiriusHope,
Just the kind of propaganda (from the reporter, Mr. J ack Off) that gives the naive public a negative impression/reaction at the mere mention of the words Sirius/XM. Who gives a shit what he or anybody else recommends? All the analysts and people chiming in with their worthless opinions can kiss my satellite radio lovin’ ASS !
STEVE
I agree with you they are all naysayers..just posted it to let others read the foolish propaganda.
Just to clarify Tyler, it was not my intention to imply that you had suggested anything “spiritual.” To the contrary, it was only a caveat which prefaced the remark which followed. Apologies if you took it that way.
I was just trying to be extra sensitive to other readers so as not to offend, since “faith” in a religious or spiritual context has an entirely different meaning.
Faith in human endeavors, however, can in fact be measured. Remember Ronald Reagan’s “Trust but verify.”
Accountability and transparency are EVERYTHING in gaining trust and faith in corporate entities, especially in the tumultuous environment you accurately describe.
Faith can be very fragile . . . the banking system is built entirely on faith . . . no gold standard/no silver standard. Pure faith. We have now seen what happens when that faith evaporates.
p.s. everytime I read the title to this article that darn George Michael song starts pounding in my head (lol)
Hey Roadkill.
You must of done a twenty miler today.
Your firing on all cylinders amigo.
When you have a matrix like out of body experience.
And look at yourself typing away regarding a “.15″ stock.
And you really put it into perspective. You realize rationality regarding our investment choice has long since gone out the window.
We are in some type of emotionally bonded place in my humble opinion. That is why we continue to interact and maintain our passion for this company and it’s product.
It’s truly been a life learning experience. And for those of us that have deemed it our choice to stick this through to an unknown outcome.
I say that I personally have grown and learned so much from you all.
I occasionally try to take the time to simply thank all that contribute, and especially those that reach out to me on a blog/personal interaction level.
It’s some type of journey the likes of which I have never been on.
That being said, having other on the journey has been a solace many times.
Socal
Hey Socal . . glad ya stopped in!
Only 5 miles today . . . inside on treadmill at the club. Too windy and cold outside . . weights and a little hot-tub/sauna tomorrow.
I guess ya could sum it all up by saying “misery loves company.” So here we all are . . . stuck in the belly of the Mayflower hoping we can get to the other side of the pond in one piece. Sometimes fighting each other like cats and dogs but all trying to get to the same place.
Despite the horrid conditions . . . I for one am enjoying the company!
Socalrunningfool Says:
“That being said, having other(s) on the journey has been a solace many times.”
a “Quantum of Solace” I presume Mr. Bond
I always enjoy the company as well.
Faith in what’s happening with this company? No.
Faith in that there are good people out there like those on this site? Yes.
Hey Roadkill.
Nice. Nothing like some cardio and lifting. Where is this weather you have. We need some moisture here like your wouldn’t believe.
Hey GIS Roadkill others.
My take on the economics at hand is that in a broader term, the old school companies have held up well. Staples etc.
But this week I heard that the first IPO in 15 weeks came out.
Not think about that. Leading edge companies need capital to reinvent mainstream thinking.
How much money do you think any startup is capable of getting today.
Venture Capitalism, has to almost completely stopped.
This country is built on a continuous transformation on all levels.
To stop that under this current climate is truly a shame.
Tyler,
You asked if not Mel and this board, who?
I say, someone with an advanced technological background. A board with a dynamic new age view, that is capable of migrating this products and many other potential products.
Into a new generation of devices and applications. This is not Mel. Mel is old school and this is way over his head.
Get me the ceo of HP. We’ll go from there.
SoCal…
I agree Mel is stuck in the 1960′s technology…a silicon valley techie geek probably is more into the 21st century mentality and more likely to be more open and honest to the stockholders.
I think mel’s mouth wrote a check his ass can’t cash now.
Hope.
Mel was unable to reinvent himself.
Plain and simple. He talked himself into the merger, but was unable to “think” his way out.
Catch you tomorrow Hope.
Later.
I have faith in the product (not crazy about the new 60′s format) but it still comes down to a company’s ability to MAKE A PROFIT. I’m going to keep banging the drum about NATIONAL SPONSORSHIP. Hundreds of millions of dollars could very well be part of Sirius Xm’s revenue stream. If they have not considered it they should and if they have in the past they need to revisit this idea. Even if things were going great I’d still be for this concept. ONE THING ABOUT FAITH (IN A SPIRITUAL WAY) REMEMBER “GOD HELPS THOSE THAT HELP THEMSELVES”! NATIONAL SPONSORSHIP NOW!
Tyler.
Carlie Fiorina.
Ex ceo of HP. She was on Fox news last night with Greta.
Her take on the autos. Help them out, under the condition that all three ceo’s and their teams are terminated, with new management in place.
I vote for her and her new team.
She could take this company where it needs to go.
SoCal
At this point who would want to takeover mel’s mess?
Have a great day too…later friend
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We use to enjoy talking about when and if Sirius would make money. but now, since the outlook for making money or even exisitng is not very promising, we are talking about faith?
You have to have faith in yourself and your abilities if you want to accomplish anything. Maybe since the RS is out the window,the option for issuing more shares is out the window, what does that leave?
Faith and how bad does the mangement of SiriusXM want to succeed?
That has always been the seperating factor between winners and losers.
The cash flow projection with the cash on hand to meet the Feb note and a few good quarters is about all that is left at this point.
Maybe that is good thing, Maybe Mel and Company will have to WORK their way out of this mess. When you have no other options you either quit or go to work.
I was against the RS, and the issue of more shares, I still am. I think you have to have faith that you can achieve a goal if you work hard enough and never quit or give up.
If they work their way out of this they will be a better company in the future because of it.
We are talking about faith after all.
imho
vaporgold
Vapor
AMEN
Hope.
Funny stuff above. Thanks.
Vapor
Second The Amen
TO THE R/S and DILUTION and the BOD
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Hope.
LOL LOL
Caesar…
To quote you, “Mel needs to make a statement to the share holders”
Hoepfully, Mel will make the following statement at the stockholders meeting.
“We will work our way through this, No BK, No RS, No further dilution, I am out of here I got work to do”.
That’s all I need and want to hear.
vaporgold
Tyler,
You write an article on it coming down to faith, but I heard your last show on Sirius Buzz and you do not seem to have faith yourself or you would at least average down here at .15 cents on a few thousand shares. I understand why, but just making a point that this has gotten really dire.
It’s sad when the author of the blog relating to Sirius has thrown in the towel.
Charles voted against management at a time where we can’t have any more problems, like transition of new management & then you have Brandon who is overly optimistic because he is blinded by his investment with not much to backup bullishness, just like many of us.
We author this blog because we love the Sirius service. It’s probably the only reason we can stand to put as much work into this as we do.
The intention of this site was never to simply post bullish thoughts and articles because of some agenda. I can not see Tylers holdings but, I can tell you that a run to $5 per share is not going to change my life.
So, we aren’t throwing in the towel… we are just writing articles as we always do. Don’t hate us because the news isn’t good, hate Sirius XM and the economy for not giving us good news to write about!
Charles -
You guys do an incredible job and apprceiate the articles and your point of view , as I do Tylers & Brandon’s.
I do think you should have voted for management because they are doing everything they can to combine, cut costs as quick as humanly possible & if it wasn’t for what the FCC pulled, including Hartlieb’s bullshit suits, delays and the collapsing economy/car companies, management would like alot different.
I have some advice for Tyler on the sirusbuzz show. He needs to be less courteous to certain callers that go on and on with their nonsense like the one that called in 2X Thursday. It’s a waste of good airtime. Cut them off, make them get to the point and then you can speak about your opinions.
Anyhow great job guys and hope Sirius can come back to life again. I may just load up under 10 cents for a casino gamble that the financial system and car companies don’t completely collapse.
vaporgold,
” Never quit or give up”. That in essence is the concept that Sirius/Xm must have adhere to. “Faithfully!” I have said it all along; if management of this company had a fraction of the PASSION that we have, and showed us the loyalty that we show them, circumstances would be much different.
One of the reasons that I keep posting comments is because, in a world that seems so indifferent and so jaded, so damn blase’ about everything, I know that I can log on to this and some other select sites and be amongst people that share my passion for radio. Satellite radio, to be specific. Non of us want to see satellite fail. Why? Because, I suspect, we are crazy about it! Our disdain for terrestrial radio is just as big of a factor, no doubt.
We need someone who loves the product and the service, in charge of Sirius/Xm; somebody who can relate to the subscribers desires, and who LISTENS to them. Somebody who is as big a fan as we are. Someone who doesn’t mind busting his or her ass for as long as it takes to make satellite radio the success that it should be. Somebody who approaches the job as a labor of love. Someone that embodies the same FAITH and DEVOTION to satellite radio that so many of us do.
This crisis that has gripped satellite radio has much more to do than just being in debt and having to deal with a collapsing economy. As corny as it may sound, so much of satellite radios misfortune can be attributed to a managerial team that lacks commitment, is unreceptive to it’s subscribers needs, and who’s track record so far leads one to this indisputable conclusion; they just don’t care!
You nailed it, vaporgold! If you are not going to commit to something 100%, then get the fuck out. Otherwise you are wasting your time, and everybody elses.
Charles.
I very much appreciate your efforts and the efforts of all your writers.
Thank you.
Steve.
You and Vapor are right on!
WORK is all I want to know about.
7/24. 365.
sxminvestor….
I have not thrown in the towel. I have the same number of shares now that I had when the merger went through.
I had simply made a decision that I was holding onto these shares for the long haul. I have no need to sell, and no need to add to the position.
Frankly, there are better places out there for me to put my money than into SDARS.
I write about SDATS because I like the product, and have developed many relationships related to the industry over the years.