Hartleib Case Against Sirius XM Dismissed
The case naming Sirius XM Radio, the Board of Directors, and management of the company has had resolution. According to court documents:
“PROCEEDINGS: (IN CHAMBERS) ORDER GRANTING WITH LEAVE TO AMEND DEFENDANTS’ MOTION TO DISMISS [filed 11/17/08].
Having read and considered the papers presented by the parties, the Court finds this matter appropriate for disposition without a hearing. See FED. R. CIV. P. 78; LOCAL RULE7-15. Accordingly, the hearing set for Monday, December 8, 2008, at 1:30 p.m. is hereby vacated and off calendar.
Introduction
Defendants Sirius Satellite Radio, Inc. (“Sirius”), XM Satellite Radio Holdings, Inc. (“XM”), and Interoperable Technologies LLC, (“Interoperable”) and several officers and directors of the three companies (collectively, the “Defendants”) move to dismiss, pursuant to Federal Rules of Civil Procedure 12(b)(6), 23.1 and 12(b)(9), Plaintiff Michael Hartleib’s derivative claims for violations of the federal Racketeering and Corrupt Organizations Act (“RICO”), breach of fiduciary duty, and violations of the Sherman Act, and a direct claim for breach of fiduciary duty. For the following reasons, Defendants’ motion is GRANTED WITH LEAVE TO AMEND
Standard of Review
The issue on a motion to dismiss for a motion to dismiss under Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 12(b)(6) tests the legal sufficiency of the failure to state a claim is not whether the claimant will ultimately prevail, but whether the claimant is entitled to offer evidence to support the claims asserted. Gilligan v. Jamco Dev. Corp., 108 F.3d 246, 249 (9th Cir. 1997). When evaluating a Rule 12(b)(6) motion, the district court must accept all material allegations in the complaint as true and construe them in the light most favorable to the non-moving party. Mayo v. Gomez, 32 F.3d 1382, 1384 (9th Cir. 1994). Rule 12(b)(6) is read in conjunction with Rule 8(a), which requires only a short and plain statement of the claim showing that the pleader is entitled to relief. FED. R. CIV. P. 8(a)(2). Dismissal of a complaint for failure to state a claim is not proper where a plaintiff has alleged “enough facts to state a claim to relief that is plausible on its face.” Bell Atl. Corp. v. Twombly, 127 S.Ct. 1955, 1974 (2007). In keeping with this liberal pleading standard, the district court should grant the plaintiff leave to amend if the complaint can possibly be cured by additional factual allegations. Doe v. United States, 58 F.3d 494, 497 (9th Cir. 1995). Furthermore, Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 23.1 sets out the pleading requirements for a shareholder to file a derivative action on behalf of a corporation. It requires that a derivative plaintiff state with specificity either that he made a demand on the corporate defendant before filing suit or the reasons why he did not make such a demand. FED. R. CIV. P. 23.1.claims asserted in the complaint.
Background
This case arises from the competition, cooperation, and eventual merger of the two providers of satellite radio service in the United States: XM and Sirius. (First Amended Compl. (“FAC”) ¶ 6-10.) In February 2000, Sirius and XM formed a joint venture—Interoperable—to develop a radio that could receive either XM or Sirius signals. (FAC ¶ 31.) The Federal Communication Commission (“FCC”) prohibited them from simply merging their two allotments of the spectrum, instead requiring XM and Sirius to jointly develop and market an interoperable satellite radio receiver. (FAC ¶ 22.) Mr. Hartleib alleges that XM and Sirius developed an interoperable radio. (FAC ¶ 61.) Mr. Hartleib alleges that XM and Sirius fraudulently represented that they were planning to release an interoperable radio when they had no intention of doing so while concealing their true intention to merge the two companies to shareholders’ detriment. (FAC ¶¶ 7-10.) Despite this alleged wrongdoing, the Department of Justice approved the Sirius/XM merger, which went forward in June 2008. (FAC ¶ 69.)
Mr. Hartleib filed causes of action for violations of RICO and the Sherman Act, and for breach of fiduciary duty as a derivative suit on behalf of the shareholders of Sirius. He did not file a demand with the Sirius Board of Directors prior to filing his complaint. (FAC ¶ 11.) Mr. Hartleib also filed a direct cause of action against Sirius directors for breach of fiduciary duty. (FAC ¶¶ 202-205.)
Analysis
1. Derivative Claims Mr. Hartleib has not made any demand upon the Board of Directors of Sirius to obtain the relief he seeks in this lawsuit. He has also failed to allege with sufficient specificity the reasons that issuing such a demand on Sirius would have been futile. Mr. Hartleib has filed seven of his eight claims against Sirius as as shareholder derivative actions on Sirius’ behalf.
Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 23.1 sets out the pleading requirements for derivative actions such as Mr. Hartlieb’s action. It states that a complaint must:
(3) state with particularity:
(A) any effort by the plaintiff to obtain the desired action from the directors or comparable authority and, if necessary, from the shareholders or members; and
(B) the reasons for not obtaining the action or not making the effort.
FED. R. CIV. PRO. 23.1. Because Sirius is incorporated in Delaware, the Court will use that state’s law to determine whether Mr. Hartleib has adequately pleaded the reasons that filing a demand with Sirius would have been futile. Kamen v. Kemper Fin. Servs., 500 U.S. 90, 108-109 (1991).
The Delaware Supreme Court’s ruling in Rales v. Blasband provides the standard for determining whether a plaintiff has satisfied the requirements of pleading that it would have been futile for the plaintiff to issue his demands to a corporation. Rales applies when, as in the present case, “a business decision was made by the board of a company, but a majority of the directors making the decision have been replaced.” Rales v. Blasband, 634 A.2d 927, 933-944 (Del. 1993). In this case, the actions at issue began in 2002 and culminated in June 2008, when Sirius and XM merged. (FAC ¶¶ 25, 68.) However, seven of Sirius’ twelve board members were seated in August 2008. (Def.’s Brf. at 4; Def.’s Req. for Judicial Notice Ex. A.) Therefore, Rales provides the correct rule to use:
[It] is appropriate in these situations to examine whether the board that would be addressing the demand can impartially consider its merits without being influenced by improper considerations. Thus, a court must determine whether or not the particularized factual allegations of a derivative stockholder complaint create a reasonable doubt that, as of the time the complaint is filed, the board of directors could have properlyexercised its independent and disinterested business judgment in responding to a demand. If the derivative plaintiff satisfies this burden, then demand will be excused as futile.
Rales, 634 A.2d at 934. To show futility, the plaintiff must meet a higher burden than he must on a typical motion to dismiss under Rule 12(b)(6). “Mere notice pleading is insufficient to meet the plaintiff’s burden to show demand excusal in a derivative case.” Guttman v. Huang, 823 A.2d 492, 499 (Del. Ch. 2003.)
Mr. Harteib marshals several arguments in an attempt to create reasonable doubt about the current board’s ability to exercise independent judgment in this case: (1) Sirius’ non-responsiveness to his shareholder activism before the merger took place shows that making a formal demand to the current, post-merger board would have been futile; (2) all of Sirius’ board members knew of, benefitted from, and participated in efforts to conceal the alleged racketeering activity associated with Sirius, XM and Interoperable and, therefore, breached their fiduciary duties, making them subject to criminal and civil liability if their misdeeds came to light; (3) each board member authorized or permitted false statements to be disseminated on their behalfs; (4) each board member would be forced to sue him or herself if he or she allowed this action to go forward; (5) Mel Karmazin, board member and chief operating officer of Sirius, received and continues to receive substantial monetary compensation and other benefits from Sirius, making him biased; (6) Sirius board member Gary Parsons was board chairman and chief executive officer of XM before the merger, so he cannot possess disinterested business judgment about the merger; (7) board members Joan Amble, Eddy Hartenstein, James Holden, and James Moone are members of Sirius’ audit committee and, therefore have a conflict of interest; and (8) current board members have failed to take the necessary actions to rectify the harm allegedly inflicted on the shareholders by the wrongdoing asserted in this case. (FAC ¶¶ 108-158.) These arguments do not create a reasonable doubt that a majority of the current board of directors would not be able to respond disinterestedly to a demand from Mr. Hartleib.
The majority of Mr. Hartleib’s arguments to show the futility of making a demand on the current Sirius board are based on generalized, not specific allegations. Although the complaint identifies alleged fraud and wrongdoing committed by Defendants, it does not state how each specific Sirius director was responsible for those actions. For instance, it would be helpful if Mr. Hartleib could show how a majority of the current directors, as individuals, approved of an allegedly fraudulent statement or action or committed some wrongdoing that would make them unable to exercise independent judgment in this case. Generalized statements alleging that “each board member” knew of some wrongdoing will not suffice to meet the heightened standards of Rule 23.1. See Guttman v. Huang, 823 A.2d 492, 503 (Del. Ch. 2003) (finding that “particularized allegations of fact detailing the precise roles that these directors played at the company, the information that would have come to their attention in those roles, and any indication as to why they would have perceived the accounting irregularities” would help support a finding of futility). Such generalized allegations are even more ineffective in situations, like this one, where the majority of the board was not empanelled at the time of the alleged wrongdoing. The changeover in board membership further undermines the relevance of Mr. Hartleib’s argument that Sirius’s lukewarm response to his shareholder activism before the merger shows that its current board cannot be trusted to exercise independent judgment. The Court also fails to see the relevance of directors’ membership on the audit committee. Furthermore, Mr. Hartleib cannot escape the demand requirement simply by asserting that the a majority of the board bears liability in the action because a majority of board members are named as defendants in his suit.11
Because Mr. Hartleib has not sufficiently pleaded that making a demand upon the Sirius board would be futile, it is unnecessary for the Court to rule on whether Mr. Hartleibs’ pleadings otherwise state claims upon which relief could be granted. However, Mr. Hartleib should not construe this as the Court’s tacit approval of the sufficiency of the pleadings. Mr. Hartleib would be well advised to further review his pleadings, taking Defendants’ arguments into account, if he chooses to amend and re-file his claims.
As in his first complaint, Mr. Hartleib’s claim directly against the officers and directors fails because he has not alleged harm to himself outside of the injuries suffered by all shareholders. See Feldman v. Cutaia, 951 A.2d 727 (Del. 2008) (holding that a claim that the plaintiff is harmed in the same way that all other shareholders are harmed is a derivative, not a direct, claim). Those actions alleged in ¶¶ 87-94 of the FAC—that Defendants delayed the deployment of an interoperable radio and trading on that information—are not actions aimed at or suffered by Mr. Hartleib as an individual, rather, they are actions suffered identically by all shareholders. (FAC ¶¶ 87-94.) The only damages Mr. Hartleib points to as result of these actions are Mr. Hartlieb’s loss of value in his Sirius stock. This is identical to the loss suffered by all other shareholders. Because Feldman requires that a plaintiff in a direct suit show that he has “suffered someindividualized harm not suffered by all of the stockholders at large,” and Mr. Hartleib has failed to show that he has suffered special losses beyond a reduction in the value of his stock, Mr. Hartleib’s direct claim fails. Feldman, 951 A.2d at 733.
Conclusion
For the foregoing reasons, Defendants’ motion to dismiss Mr. Hartleib’s claims is GRANTED WITH LEAVE TO AMEND. Mr. Hartleib has twenty days leave to amend its complaint consistent with this order. Defendants have twenty days thereafter to file a responsive pleading.








Sirius000….
More generalized allegations with nothing to substantiate them.
You say, “How about SIRI bringing in a professional plaintiff and law firm to bring a class action lawsuit against Sirius (Sued themselves) and agree in an iron clad protection settlement that prevented additional stockholders from suing. Why would they do that?”
1. Can you substatiate that Sirius brought in a professional plaintiff and law firm to bring on the suit?
2. You can not blame the company for having a settlement agreement. Ultimately the suit was dismissed.
sirius000…..
1. Walk away from the deal? Pay millions and millions to XM to walk away? Where would SIRI be now. Their biggest OEM contributer is Chrysler, who is a shadow of their former selves, and might as well be writetten off at this point. Do you think walking away was preferable to merging? Sorry, but I simply do not agree.
2. Make who cover their short position? You can’t make someone cover.
Convert deals happen because the lender shorts one share for each convert share they have. This locks in their profit. There were no shares to short!
Tyler,
You well know the law firm and the professional individual’s name. Michael hartleib has already provided that information to you and to a lot of other people.
However you did not answer my first question:
Why would SIRI provide the share to be shorted?
How about the PPS after the merger and all this nonsense?
After all this, I still pray that I’m wrong and that SIRI and its shareholders will come ahead.
Again, I do not like to bash a company and the CEO that I truly believed in and had the most respect for and am fully invested in, but RESPECT is a two way thing!! I did my part and now it’s time for SIRI management show the shareholders that they work for us and that the shareholders interest is on their mind! Thank You!
Sirius000: Sirius provided the shares to be shorted against the XM convert deal in order to get it down.
Here is how it works: XM issued a convertible bond. Most investors will not buy a convertible bond unless they can hedge against it by shorting an equal ammount of stock, thereby locking in the interest rate and what ever conversion percentage as profit.
As soon as the financing was complete, XM would no longer exist. Because of this, they could not short XM stock. In order for the financers to agree to the convertible bond, they had to be LOANED the Sirius shares in order to short, to lock in their profit. Mel is a smart man, contradictory to what Hartlieb and many others may think. He knows if he lends all these shares the stock price goes down, but then it comes to the issue of does he tell them no and look for more financing, while the rest of the financial world is collapsing? Does he risk delaying the merger and allowing someone else (Hartlieb, FCC, anyone else) to then step in and challenge the merger and have the ruling overturned? Does he sit on his hands and have everyone ask him why after 17 months he is given approval and does not consumate the merger? Or does he then turn around and walk away, and have everyone complain that he worked for 17 months on this merger and then walk away with nothing?
No, he did the deal that he had to do to get it done. It was not favorable, but it got it done. If we can survive 2009, we will be smooth sailing for a long time to come. There is no debt due in 2010, 2011, or 2012.
As for the 4 billion dollar write off? It is all numbers. I means jack crap. That doesnt mean they paid someone 4 billion, it means something that they had previously valued at a larger number, they now valued less. To shareholders and private folk, it means absoolutely nothing.
You sound like a Hartlieb follower (if not Hartlieb himself, under an assumed name as he has done before).
You are also echoing some very ignorant commenters on other threads saying that nothing matters other than the PPS. The fact that ALL companies are getting hit hard right now means absolutely nothing to you. The fact that EVERY metric in Sirius has improved except the PPS means nothing to you. Do you not understand that we are in one of the largest economic depressions that we will likely see in our lifetimes? Everything is going to hell. It just hurts you more because, as you said, you “INVESTED in SIRI with my life saving.” You took too big of a risk, Plain and simple. Did you get professional financial advice before you did that? I doubtit, and if you did, you surely did not follow that advice.
Sirius000: Tyler did a very good expose peice on the lawsuit, thank you very much.
Yes, we know the plaintiff, we know the law firm, we know the background, and we know the outcome of that lawsuit.
Now, what proof do you have that Sirius instigated the lawsuit?
Knowing that these guys are professional litigants and professional plaintiffs, knowing that they have sued hundreds of other companies in an identical fashion, why do you feel that THIS INSTANCE was perpitrated by Sirius?
Like I said… sounds like another Hartlieb drone, blindly following without asking for any proof.
sirius000….
I know who the law firm is. I know who the plaitiff is. I asked you to substantiate that Sirius hired them. To my knowledge, and I am very familiar with the case, there is NOTHING whatsoever that ties Sirius and XM to the suit otherthan the fact that they were named in it.
Please, show the proof that Sirius brought on this case against themselves. Otherwise, it is an opinion based on nothing.
I did answer your question, but will do so again.
The financing deal was a convert deal. This gives the lender convert shares in exchange for dollars and interest. Think of the converts as a long position. The lender who does the loan will immediately initiate a short position for each convert share they have. This locks in their interest as profit regardless of what happens to the stock.
So far everything is standard procedure here.
Now, if you recall, the short interest on Sirius was huge. In fact, those that wanted to play the arbitrage of the merger were having trouble doing so because there were no shares available to short.
If you recall, brokerages like Schwab were offering to PAY long shareholders money to borrow their shares to short. If you recall, the SEC was in the midst of a huge witch hunt on naked shorting.
So here we are. A company in Sirius’ position can only really do a convert deal. The banks can lock in profit, and if things go great, they have shares that have more value later on when they close the short side.
The institutions for quite some time have had heartache over any deal because there was no ability to short.
The merger happens.
Mel can close the deal right away or risk the NAB getting an injunction. Which move is best?
He sits in an office with lenders, and all of them say that thgey will do the deal, but onl;y if they can short thus locking in profit.
Mel agrees to loan the shares, but gets a stipulation that the institutions will go long one share for each share shorted.
Of course he did not want to loan shares to be shorted, but was given little chjoice. The fact that he got them to agree to a long position was above and beyond what typically happens.
Does this make sense now?
Tyler/Newman,
I’m not M. Hartlieb. As I told you and you have my real e-mail that I used to sign in here, am a long share holders and INVESTED in SIRI not until Mel came over. I neither am nor ready to get wiped out with RS and more dilution. I just think this whole thing was about one thing, the spectrum and nothing else, I mean nothing else mattered including the shareholders value. This is not something I have to learn from Hartlieb. I’m 52 years old and have been in the market for past 25 years and never seen anything like this. I do not want to compare SIRI to all other bogus financial institution. I did invest in those phony companies; I INVESTED in SIRI because of its management. That should have made a difference. I do not like what’s on the horizon for the shareholders. You guys may have more information and that’s why you do not feel the same way as the longs that lost their fortune, you may never owned SIRI, I do not know.
Newman, What “sirius000″ is talking about is the case that happen well before the SIRI case even happen. I believe this because this “markbmark” guy was talking about the same thing and added that the law firm was not allowed to practice in the state for five years (he was a save sirius groupy also). Hear is the post I reposted from Seeking alpha it is a repost of what Micheal H. posted here about that case.
Just to clear things up this was posted by Micheal Hartleib at Sirius Buzz. If you read it you will see the case that “markbmark” is talking about were the judge said the lawers could not practice in the state for 5 years was well before the case against SIRI. So one has to ask how a judge would even bring up SIRI at that time, almost 2 years before the SIRI case came in.
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RALEIGH – North Carolina public companies have one less law firm to worry about when it comes to shareholder lawsuits filed in the state.
North Carolina Business Court Judge Ben Tennille has barred the San Diego, Calif., firm of Robbins Umeda & Fink from practicing in the state for five years on a pro hac vice basis. The Latin phrase, which means “this time only,” allows an out-of-state lawyer to appear in court for a particular trial even though the lawyer isn’t licensed in that state.
The order came as something of a coda to a shareholder lawsuit, Egelhof v. Szulik, filed on behalf of a former Red Hat shareholder against members of the technology company’s officers and board of directors.
Shareholder lawsuits are the bane of many public corporations since there are a host of law firms that specialize in filing them on word of bad news from a company.
In 2004, Robbins Umeda & Fink represented a plaintiff in a shareholders derivative case involving Chapel Hill-based Pozen. That lawsuit was dismissed in November 2005.
Press Millen, a Womble Carlyle attorney who helped defend Red Hat’s management in the Egelhof v. Szulik case, hopes the victory his side scored will have a positive impact for corporations beyond the case.
“I think it’s pretty serious,” Millen says of the sanctions. “It’s definitely a warning shot over the bow of out-of-state counsels about filing meritless lawsuits in North Carolina.”
Sanctions against plaintiff
The order, which was issued Feb. 4, prohibits Robbins Umeda & Fink’s lawyers from appearing in the state’s courts for five years. It also bars Andrew Egelhof, the plaintiff in the case, from acting as a shareholder derivative plaintiff or a class-action representative in North Carolina litigation for five years.
The Egelhof v. Szulik complaint, which originally was filed in Wake County Superior Court in 2004, included allegations of insider trading and gross mismanagement at Red Hat. Defendants included Red Hat Chairman Matthew Szulik and board members Marye Anne Fox, former chancellor of North Carolina State University, and retired Army Gen. Hugh Shelton.
Tennille dismissed the plaintiff’s claims in March 2006 due in part to Egelhof’s loss of standing as a stockholder. The defendants later asked that they be awarded attorneys’ fees. Though that motion was not granted, it prompted Tennille to examine actions taken by the plaintiff and the law firm.
Tennille asserts that the lawsuit was filed in a “needless rush to court” just 31 days after Red Hat restated its earnings on July 19, 2004. He wrote in his order that the case was filed without an inspection of the company’s books and records, and many of the allegations relied on media reports and published analyst opinions.
Tennille also took exception to Egelhof being the fiduciary standard bearer. According to court documents, Egelhof was a 24-year-old Kansas resident when he responded to an Internet solicitation seeking a plaintiff.
While he had a degree in business administration, Egelhof had worked in information technology jobs at Kansas State University. His holdings in Red Hat amounted to 28 shares of stock worth $710.50 that he bought in 2004.
markbmark, Dhaaa, facts are hard to get around aren’t they. By the way go ahead and keep posting the lies. Tell me when you have enough rope.
Now I have never been to the “save sirius” site but what kind of half ass lies/truths is Micheal Hartleib posting there. He has this little tid bit, He has already misqouted Mel at least 2 different times that I know of about what he said about wanting to be able to sell the company. Mel did say that he needs the company to be profitable first and that would not happen til at least the end of 2009.
some clarity….
1. Sirius000 is not Michael Hartleib.
2. The only way you get wiped out with a reverse split is if the stock price continues down after it happens. If the company is performing well, there is not theoretical reason for this to happen.
3. Dilution would impact shareholders. Having the shares authorized would not. It is only if they are added to the float that there is a material impact
4. The Red hat suit was brought about by RuF Law. RUF Law has a history of practicing law in bringing forth class action suits. Many of their suits have plaintiffs that have been plaintiffs in many class action suits. RUF Law brought forward the case against Sirius. The Plaintiff in that case had a history of other class action suits. The Red Hat judge never mentioned SIRI as the case did not exist at that point.
5. There is no indication whatsoever that Sirius or XM hired RUF law to find a plaintiff and bring the suit.
6. It could be argued that Sirius XM did not mind the suit because the settlement of such a suit would bring indemnifications with regard to the decision to merge. However, there is no proof of this either.
7. Michael H. has his concerns. I encourage people to understand his concerns. I also encourage people to get as much information as they can prior to arriving at a conclusion.
8. People also need to know what the facts are vs. what are opinions and/or allegations.
9. The annual meeting can be extended in order to facilitate getting the votes needed for an item. Thus, if the votes for the reverse split and authorized shares are not enough on the 18th, the company can simply elect to keep the meeting open, drum up support for their position, and close the meeting only when there is resolution.
10. Institutions have about 40% of the stock. In all liklihood that is already 40% of the shares in favor of the measures. The first side (for or against the measures) to 50.1% wins. The company and Board have the advantage of knowing who the shareholders are, and how to contact them. Which side do you think will reach 50.1% first. I have my opinion… The measures will all pass. Whether you are foir or against these measures, you should be prepared for the odds which favor passage.
Tyler, My point is that both sirius000 and markbmark both brought up, this SIRI sued itself. The difference between them is markbmark also added that, the law firm was bared from practicing in that state for 5 years, also in that case he said the judge also said SIRI sued themselves. It was very obvious where he was getting his information from because he stated it. Now my question is what the hell is he putting up over there. It looks like he is taking parts of one case and adding them to parts of another, to mislead people.
Tyler my point is the CEO of Sirius knows everything about the stock, and who ownes it including the shorts. He cut the deals that directed the stock price where it is today.
The question is WHY ?
GS…..
Sorry to tell you this, but the CEO does not know all of the shorts.
If you called E-Trade to short Sirius today, Mel does not get a memo on it. He would have no way to know that you shorted the stock
Tyler I’m referring to big money shorting, he knows, don’t kid yourself. He has a gang of people looking out for him, how do you think he got to where he is, good looks ?
I believe big money is still trying to scare retail in to selling…
Sirius XM Radio From the Analyst Report: “Sirius XM’s crushing debt burden, slowing subscriber growth, and looming debt maturities are such that we think shareholders are at risk of total loss.”
Did Mel buy any shares recently at .15 to average down ?
Of course he knows some of the big players that short. It is part of the business. However, hedge funds, etc. are all doing this. The short position is extensive. There is simply no way to do anything material about it.
Mel has millions of shares already. Why is it that everyone expects him to buy and buy and buy. He has paid out every dollar he has ever made in Sirius into the stock, and somehow that is not good enough.
Most insiders already have a bigger chunk of their portfolio in Sirius than they would likely have if they did not work for the company.
The thought that these people should buy and buy and buy when they get shares as part of theior compensation is afould of any rational thinking.
Sorry, but I do not begrudge anyone for not buying now. Further, they are in the midst of renegotiating debt. There are very strict regulations as to when the can and can not buy.
Tyler,
It’s fairly simple to do something about the shorts. You can cancel existing shares and reissue under a new trading symbol. This will require an accounting of shares, including shorts.
The reason this isn’t done very often is that the shares are probably only worth .15 each to begin with. It would be too big of an undertaking for a gain of what, possibly pennies. Not worth it.
Tyler – You make informative posts that are substantiated by verifiable information most of the time and I appreciate that but for you to assume that all of the institutional owners of SiriusXM stock are in support of the R/S and added dilution is a little too much for me to agree with. I’m sorry but I disagree.
How many R/S have you experienced as an investor/trader?
Getitstraight……
Most institutions will vote for the measures IMO. It is how these things work. You can disagree, but again, I think you should prepare yourself for the eventuality that both of these measures will pass.
I have experienced many reverse splits over the years. For a period of time I dedicated a small part of my portfolio to companies in trouble, and reverse splits often happened.
Can you give me an honest answer to how many of those made you money after the R/S by being invested prior to the R/S?
Thanks.