Humm, isn't funny how the state effect worse by the oil spill say, DONT STOP DRILLING

[john]

Just imagine what Bush and Cheney would have got BP do to?
Obama got BP to promise a minimun of 20 billion, no dividend for the year, a 500 million dollar fund to monitor peoples health for the next 10 years, 100 million for unemployed oil workers.

Bush and Cheney would have never held BP's feet to the fire the way that
Obama has.

Yes you are correct they would have followed the LAW. Lets also not forget that BP had already said LONG BEFORE they would go way beyond to make sure they pay for ALL the cost of the clean up and liability. As to should they also pay for polocies OBAMA put into place once again you would think that is just fine. That is fine with you until it effects your business. Obama called a halt to off shore deep water drilling not BP. They are responsible if THIER regulators did not follow the regulations ALREADY IN EFFECT.

I am also sure you believe in the samething as Rosie O'Donnell, I think it went something like, just take them over take their money take thier company, call it socialism call it what ever you want just take ALL of them over.


Yes just like you and Rosie it works great until IT IS YOUR ASSETS THEY ARE COMING FOR.

[john]

Here are the facts:

There is a law EVERYONE AGREED TO, that says there is a cap limit to the liability of a oil company.

Our own polocies (driven by liberials and environmentalist) have driven oil companies this far out and deep, NOT THE LACK OF EASY OIL ELSEWHERE.

If that cap was not in there would any oil company take the risk of drilling in the deep water here or would they go else were??

What happens to the US, if that happens.

For that answer just take another look at the title of this thead:

'Humm, isn't funny how the state effect worse by the oil spill say, DONT STOP DRILLING Reply to Thread"

[candleman]

Havakasha, do you ever wonder why JOHN never and I do mean NEVER has anybody defending his stands?

I wondered about this for awhile. And then I realized that no reasonable person could support his stands and opinions.

It's really that simple.

[Havakasha]

From what i understand (former Senator George Miitchell confirmed this because he helped draft the original cap) the 75 million cap was set BEFORE deep well drilling ever existed.Therefore that cap should go way up and i believe it will, although im sure Republicans who always support big oil over citizens will be fighting that change. I imagine Congressman Barton will be leading that effort.

As the past 8 Presidents have stated at one time or another (but unfortunately have not been able to achieve because of lobbyists, lack of foresight etc.) the US needs to get off foreign oil, move to alternative energies, use natural gas more,and conserve energy. If we had done this 30 years ago we wouldnt be having these discussions today. Study after study have indicated that we (U.S.) CANT drilll our way out of this problem. So i would hope that we wean ourselves off oil as fast as possible (knowing we will be using oil for half a century or more for lots of reasons; some out of our control and some in our control) and get on with a saner and cleaner energy policy. Of course the entrenched oil interests and others will fight this effort with claims to try to scare people, but i hope that reason will prevail over time.
Just because state and local economies are addicted to oil revenues doesnt mean that we cant move away from that addiction. Change is always uncomfortable and the scare mongers wiil be out there to try to say our economy cant survive those changes, but that is all BS.

People like John who say that hybrids and electric cars will never be technologically and economically viable are an example of those fear mongers who dont know what they are talking about, but try to pretend that they do.
Time to push hard on hybrid, hybrid plug-ins, electric cars, solar and wind,
grasses for ethanol, natural gas, and nuclear (especially if they can come up
with cheaper and safer systems that dont require enormous amounts of water) Its going to take many years to transition to all this but the growth in investment in alternative energies is happening very rapidly and people know that there is a lot of money to be made in this area.

And john when was it that pure hydrogen fuel cell cars were going to be 1% of automobile sales? You can give me an approximate year. A number in other words. An approximate year?
I know you have avoided this for about a year but how about some honesty for a change. Scared?

[Havakasha]

Havakasha, do you ever wonder why JOHN never and I do mean NEVER has anybody defending his stands?

I wondered about this for awhile. And then I realized that no reasonable person could support his stands and opinions.

It's really that simple.

NO i dont wonder. Its obvious that he is full of crap.

Do you think he even knew that the cap was written before deep sea oil wells were even envisioned? Nah!

[Havakasha]

Hey Candleman in fact i am now more sure then ever that he is a certifiable wacko. Remember this is the same guy who said he wouldnt argue with me anymore because he had already won all the arguments. That is shit you just cant make up.

He actually believes we shouldnt call a temporary halt to offshore drilling to make sure its as safe as it possibly can be.

Why do so called Conservatives always act so impulsively? Are their radical ideologies compensations for their addicitions (Rush, Beck) and out of control behavoirs? What do you think?

[Havakasha]

New John word for the John/English dictionary.

John: Polocies
English: Policies

[Havakasha]

Hey did you hear John is a big fan of Congressman Barton? Yeah the guy who apologized to BP and wants to keep the cap at $75 million?
Check this out. Look who gets a lot of money from the oil and gas industry. Yep its Congressman Barton of course. Hmmm i wonder if there is a connection? lol.




Here is the list of contributions to members of the House Energy and Commerce Committee since 2009

Tammy Baldwin, D-Wis., none
John Barrow, D-Ga., $31,500
Joe Barton, R-Texas, $100,470
Marsha Blackburn, R-Tenn., $33,500
Roy Blunt, R-Mo., $133,100
Mary Bono Mack, R-Calif., $5,750
Rick Boucher, D-Va., $36,000
Bruce Braley, D-Iowa, none
Michael Burgess, R-Texas, $39,350
G.K. Butterfield, D-N.C., $19,500
Steve Buyer, R-Ind., $5,000
Lois Capps, D-Calif., none
Kathy Castor, D-Fla., none
Donna Christian-Christensen, D-Virgin Islands, $1,500
Nathan Deal, R-Ga., none
Diana DeGette, D-Colo., $2,250
John D Dingell, D-Mich., $7,000
Mike Doyle, D-Pa., $8,000
Eliot L Engel, D-N.Y., none
Anna Eshoo, D-Calif., none
Phil Gingrey, R-Ga., $20,500
Charlie A Gonzalez, D-Texas, $30,000
Bart Gordon, D-Tenn., $13,500
Gene Green, D-Texas, $43,500
Ralph M Hall, R-Texas, $31,250
Jane Harman, D-Calif., $3,000
Baron Hill, D-Ind., $2,000
Jay Inslee, D-Wash., none
Edward J Markey, D-Mass., $16,000
Jim Matheson, D-Utah, $47,750
Doris O Matsui, D-Calif., $7,500
Jerry McNerney, D-Calif., $3,000
Charles Melancon, D-La., $65,500
Chris Murphy, D-Conn., $6,800
Tim Murphy, R-Pa., $62,950
Sue Myrick, R-N.C., $11,500
Frank Pallone Jr., D-N.J., none
Joe Pitts, R-Pa., $18,000
George Radanovich, R-Calif., $14,000
Mike Rogers, R-Mich., $20,400
Mike Ross, D-Ark., $76,950
Bobby L Rush, D-Ill., $1,000
John Sarbanes, D-Md., $3,300
Steve Scalise, R-La., $44,335
Jan Schakowsky, D-Ill., none
John Shadegg, R-Ariz., $13,400
John M Shimkus, R-Ill., $34,000
Zachary T Space, D-Ohio, $9,600
Cliff Stearns, R-Fla., $1,000
Bart Stupak, D-Mich., $12,000
John Sullivan, R-Okla., $65,250
Betty Sue Sutton, D-Ohio, $6,000
Lee Terry, R-Neb., $30,350
Fred Upton, R-Mich., $22,000
Greg Walden, R-Ore., $31,200
Henry A Waxman, D-Calif., $6,000
Anthony D Weiner, D-N.Y., none
Peter Welch, D-Vt., $10,000
Ed Whitfield, R-Ky., $20,500

[candleman]

Barton said, "I apologize for using the term 'shakedown' with regard to yesterday's actions at the White House in my opening statement this morning, and I retract my apology to BP...I regret the impact that my statement this morning implied that BP should not pay for the consequences of their decisions and actions in this incident."


Yes sir, Rep. Barton made a mistake and like a man stood up and apologized for it. That is a rare thing for Republicans to do. Heck, even George Bush couldn't do it after sending us into a horrible war in IRAQ that has wasted our economy and tens of thousands of lives.

Mr. Barton realized that he had made a big mistake and acted quickly to fix that mistake. That says a lot for his character. It earns him some respect that he didn't have after apologizing to BP earlier in the day and saying that he was ashamed of what our government had done to BP in order to help our fellow Americans.

JOHN, Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh and partial term Former Governer Sarah Palin could all take a lesson from this man.

[Havakasha]

Good for Mr. Barton.
Not so good for John.

Goodnight.