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    Goldman Loss - what goes around comes around

    Morgan Stanley sees 4Q loss at Goldman Sachs
    Thursday November 6, 7:31 pm ET
    Morgan Stanley analyst sees 4th-quarter loss at Goldman Sachs; shares tumble

    NEW YORK (AP) -- Goldman Sachs shares tumbled Thursday, as Morgan Stanley's Patrick Pinschmidt joined a handful of analysts who expect the investment bank to report its first quarterly loss since going public in 1999.

    Shares dropped $6.71, or 7.7 percent, to close at $80.72, after falling as low as $79.41 earlier in the session. The stock traded as high as $240.05 a year ago.

    In a note to clients released Wednesday, Pinschmidt chopped his estimate for the bank's fiscal fourth quarter, which ends Nov. 30, to a loss of $1.09 per share from a profit of $3.21 per share.

    Analysts polled by Thomson Reuters, on average, expect earnings of $1.62 per share.

    Pinschmidt said the chief reason for his lowered estimate is a projected $2.6 billion loss in the firm's investment portfolio, due to steep declines in the stock market so far this quarter. He also increased his estimate for asset write-downs to $1.5 billion from $800 million.

    A spokesman for Goldman Sachs declined to comment on the report.

    Earlier this week, Merrill Lynch analyst Guy Moszkowski also predicted that Goldman would report a loss for the fourth quarter.

    During its fiscal third quarter, which ended Aug. 31, Goldman's profit fell 71 percent, but that performance was still better than many of its competitors, which have reported quarterly losses throughout much of the year.

    Still, September was considered one of the worst months during the credit crisis as banks essentially stopped lending money to each other for fear loans would not be repaid. Problems intensified when Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. filed for bankruptcy and the government loaned insurer American International Group Inc. $85 billion to help it stay afloat.

    Goldman and fellow independent investment bank Morgan Stanley have since received approval to become bank holding companies, which will allow them to grow a large deposit base to help fund operations.

    Goldman and Morgan made the change as investors worried the stand-alone investment bank model may no longer be viable following the hasty sale of Merrill Lynch & Co. to Bank of America Corp. and the demise of Bear Stearns in March.

    Pinschmidt said a number of recent capital injections "have effectively taken balance sheet adequacy issues off the table."

    Goldman struck a deal with billionaire investor Warren Buffett to sell preferred and common stock to Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway Inc. As part of the deal, Buffett planned to invest at least $5 billion in fresh capital to help Goldman and could double that investment to $10 billion. At the same time, Goldman issued common stock to raise an additional $5 billion through a public offering. Goldman is also among the beneficiaries of the government's $125 billion capital investment in banks.

    Goldman, once considered the strongest investment bank on Wall Street, is cutting 3,200 employees globally as it works to slash expenses.

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    Maybe now GS will stop shorting SIRI and go long to raise their pps and get our price higher...we will help them raise money for their tremendous loss in value that way. LOL

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    Now GS will downgrade MS for revenge - give it 2 days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sxminvestor View Post
    Now GS will downgrade MS for revenge - give it 2 days.

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