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    Remembering the 58 Las Vegas victims

    October 1, 2017. A 64-year-old professional gambler and retired IRS agent has lugged 23 guns to a room on the 32nd floor of Mandalay Bay Hotel Casino. He breaks the windows and starts shooting into a crowd at the Route 91 Harvest Festival concert on the opposite side of the Vegas strip. Fifty-eight die and 489 are injured. The killer takes his own life. His motive remains unknown.

    October 7, 2017. Fifty-eight doves, one for each victim, are released in front of Las Vegas City Hall. Prior to the San Diego State-UNLV game, 58 white helium-filled balloons are released. Addison Short, who is one of the shooting victims and is in a wheelchair, does the coin toss.

    Brian Fraser of La Palma had recently become an ordained minister. Charleston Heartfield was an off-duty Las Vegas police officer who had served with the US Army in Iraq. Austin Meyer of Reno was at the concert with his fiancée. Jack Newton of Bakersfield was there with his wife. It was their 32nd anniversary. Carrie Barnette of Riverside worked at Disney's California Adventure. Each of those five was killed. There are 53 others who died.

    Two headlines on the satirical website The Onion make some really good points: "'No way to prevent this,' says the only nation where this regularly happens" and "NRA says mass shootings are just the unfortunate price of protecting people's rights to commit mass shootings."

    In the United States, there are an estimated 300,000,000 guns. Crazy people who want to go on a shooting spree never have any trouble getting lots of guns. Nothing changed after the massacres in Columbine or Aurora or Newtown or Orlando or Roseburg or Charleston or Fort Hood or Binghamton or San Bernardino.....but perhaps something will change now, following the massacre in Las Vegas.

    We can only hope. Otherwise, how many more will die?

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    The 2nd Amendment to the Constitution, adopted in 1791, allowed members of a "well-regulated militia" to carry weapons. It was not until 2008 when the Supreme Court caved to the tireless efforts of the National Rifle Association and re-interpreted the 2nd Amendment to mean everyone has the right to own guns -- lots and lots of guns.

    Twelve of the 23 rifles used by the Las Vegas killer were fitted with bump stocks, which convert a semi-automatic weapon into an automatic weapon capable of firing a hundred rounds in nine seconds. Bump stocks are legal in the United States -- but why??? The NRA always opposes any attempts to place limitations and restrictions on gun ownership but certainly the NRA would not oppose a ban on bump stocks, would they?

    Yes they would.

    NRA opposes outright ban on bump stocks

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-la...-idUSKBN1CD0RU

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    This Illinois man has erected similar memorials in Columbine, Newtown and Orlando. It would be foolish and naïve to think the Las Vegas massacre will be the last mass shooting in the United States. Our nation has far too many crazy people and far too many guns -- and it is far too easy for crazy people to get guns.

    Man erects 58 white crosses in front of iconic 'Welcome to Las Vegas' sign to honor shooting victims

    http://www.abcnews.go.com/us/man-ere...ry?id=50323924

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    More misdirection from these vicious psychopaths.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2017/10/tha...t-gun-control/

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    The NRA automatically opposes all gun control legislation because they believe that if any one type of gun is banned, it is just a matter of time before all guns are banned. They're wrong, of course.....but, even so, would a ban on guns (other than those carried by law enforcement and the military) be such a bad thing?

    (Atypical, I am new to this site. I used to post regularly to another SiriusXM fan site. It was shut down several years ago. At the end, I and the moderator were the only active members.
    I fear the same fate could befall SiriusBuzz. Why are there so few threads and so few replies? Why aren't more people participating?)

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    As I'm sure you know, the NRA exists to help the gun manufacturers make money by continually stirring up their base. I am not aware of anyone, however much they want stricter laws, that wants a total ban on guns but that would never be acknowledged by the NRA.

    As to this site, since SiriusXM is now on simmer compared to what was happening a while ago that may have something to do with the lack of activity. Additionally, except for the threads connected to financial subjects I don't think there was ever a great deal of activity elsewhere. Interest wanes and people go to what is new and different. People are easily made apathetic.
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    The Las Vegas massacre was the 273rd mass shooting in the United States so far this year. It is also the deadliest mass shooting in modern US history. The NRA and the pro-gun politicians whom they support are a big part of the problem. They value the right to own guns as much more sacrosanct than the right to life.

    The NRA's immediate and, apparently, only reaction to the October 1 massacre was to delay by one week a series of political tv ads that were scheduled to begin airing on October 3 in Virginia.

    Several new billboards in Las Vegas request that anyone with information about the gunman dial 1-800-CALL-FBI. His motive for the massacre is still unknown. It may never be known.

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    Las Vegas Sheriff Joseph Lombardo today corrected the timeline of the October 1 massacre. He said the Mandalay Bay security guard had gone to the 32nd floor because a room entry door was ajar and had set off an alarm. The gunman had two cameras in the hallway and saw the guard. He panicked and fired several shots through the door. One shot hit the guard in the leg. The guard of course had no way of knowing what was about to happen.

    Six minutes elapsed before the gunman started firing into the crowd below. Six minutes! If armed guards and/or police officers had gotten to the 32nd floor quickly enough, they could have forced the door open, entered the room with guns drawn, immobilized the gunman and prevented the massacre.

    And still the killer's motive is unknown.
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    The gunman had given a deposition in a lawsuit against the Continental Hotel. He had slipped on a walkway in 2011 and injured his hamstring. An arbitrator ruled in favor of the hotel.

    In the deposition, he called himself the world's biggest video poker player. He often gambled $1,000,000 in a single night. He gambled for up to 14 hours every night and slept during the day. And so far there seem to be no connection between his gambling and his murderous shooting spree.

    CNN obtained the depositipon and posted details on their website. The deposition is now with the FBI. The gambler said he had no criminal record and no mental problems. So what happened?!?

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/09/us/las...ion/index.html

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    On October 9, Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo said the security guard was shot and wounded six minutes before the gunman opened fire on the crowd below. Yesterday Lombardo amended the timeline, saying the guard was shot only "moments before" the gunman started shooting into the crowd.

    The question remains: Since police were inside the hotel when the shooting started, why did it take them 12 minutes to get to the gunman's room after the guard radioed that he was on the 32nd floor?

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