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    Remember when SiriuslyWrong tried the same argument as Romney about the 47% not paying taxes?
    Siriuslywrong argued it extensively. Under political pressure Romney eventually declared it to be a mistake. This article explains again just how much a Republican talking point the 47% became despite the fact that the Republicans were involved in creating the tax environment to make this so.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...89I08T20121019

    By Kim Dixon
    WASHINGTON | Fri Oct 19, 2012 1:04am EDT
    (Reuters) - Mitt Romney has distanced himself from his remarks lamenting the nearly 47 percent of Americans who do not owe federal income taxes, but his fellow Republicans helped engineer the very tax breaks that have put many in that category. And little change is expected soon.

    A key reason: The breaks in question - the earned income tax credit and the child tax credit - are based on core Republican philosophies of encouraging work to lift people out of poverty, Republican aides and many conservatives say.


    The number of Americans not owing federal income taxes has been growing since the mid-1980s, and the increase largely stems from expansion of these two tax credits - championed by Republicans from conservative economist Milton Friedman to former President Ronald Reagan.

    "It is absolutely true - there is some degree of disconnect between complaining about the 47 percent and yet supporting the policies that brought it about," said economist Alan Viard of the conservative-leaning American Enterprise Institute.

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    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/25/op...omic-plan.html
    OP-ED COLUMNIST
    Romney’s Economic Model
    By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF
    Published: October 24, 2012

    Mitt Romney’s best argument on the campaign trail has been simple: Under President Obama, the American economy has remained excruciatingly weak, far underperforming the White House’s own projection.

    But Obama’s best response could be this: If you want to see how Romney’s economic policies would work out, take a look at Europe. And weep.

    In the last few years, Germany and Britain, in particular, have implemented precisely the policies that Romney favors, and they have been richly praised by Republicans here as a result. Yet these days those economies seem, to use a German technical term, kaput.

    Is Europe a fair comparison? Well, Republicans seem to think so, because they came up with it. In the last few years, they’ve repeatedly cited Republican-style austerity in places like Germany and Britain as a model for America.

    Let’s dial back the time machine and listen up:


    Keep reading.

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    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...c_story_1.html

    Washington Post endorsement: Four more years for President Obama
    Editorial Board
    Barack Obama’s clear-eyed view of the road ahead makes him the better choice for president.

    With no time to catch his breath, Mr. Obama designed and won approval for a stimulus bill that slowed job loss and helped restore confidence. He engineered a rescue of the auto industry. The steady experts he put in charge of economic policy, notably Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner, navigated between the Democratic Party’s left, which urged populist measures that would have been expensive and ineffectual, and an obstructionist Republican Party, which at times seemed content to inflict great harm on the country. The industrial-policy element of the recovery plan, favoring high-speed rail where it’s not needed and electric cars that consumers won’t buy, wasted a lot of money. But on balance the administration, working with the Federal Reserve, succeeded in its core mission. The rebound of the Dow Jones Industrial Average from 6,626 in March 2009 to above 13,000 today is no comfort to the many Americans who remain unemployed or poorer than before the crisis. But it reflects a recovery of the faith upon which every economy depends.

    The article continues....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havakasha View Post
    Remember when SiriuslyWrong tried the same argument as Romney about the 47% not paying taxes?
    Siriuslywrong argued it extensively. Under political pressure Romney eventually declared it to be a mistake. This article explains again just how much a Republican talking point the 47% became despite the fact that the Republicans were involved in creating the tax environment to make this so.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...89I08T20121019

    By Kim Dixon
    WASHINGTON | Fri Oct 19, 2012 1:04am EDT
    (Reuters) - Mitt Romney has distanced himself from his remarks lamenting the nearly 47 percent of Americans who do not owe federal income taxes, but his fellow Republicans helped engineer the very tax breaks that have put many in that category. And little change is expected soon.

    A key reason: The breaks in question - the earned income tax credit and the child tax credit - are based on core Republican philosophies of encouraging work to lift people out of poverty, Republican aides and many conservatives say.


    The number of Americans not owing federal income taxes has been growing since the mid-1980s, and the increase largely stems from expansion of these two tax credits - championed by Republicans from conservative economist Milton Friedman to former President Ronald Reagan.

    "It is absolutely true - there is some degree of disconnect between complaining about the 47 percent and yet supporting the policies that brought it about," said economist Alan Viard of the conservative-leaning American Enterprise Institute.
    And here you think conservatives aren't compassionate......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havakasha View Post
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...c_story_1.html

    Washington Post endorsement: Four more years for President Obama
    Editorial Board
    Barack Obama’s clear-eyed view of the road ahead makes him the better choice for president.

    With no time to catch his breath, Mr. Obama designed and won approval for a stimulus bill that slowed job loss and helped restore confidence. He engineered a rescue of the auto industry. The steady experts he put in charge of economic policy, notably Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner, navigated between the Democratic Party’s left, which urged populist measures that would have been expensive and ineffectual, and an obstructionist Republican Party, which at times seemed content to inflict great harm on the country. The industrial-policy element of the recovery plan, favoring high-speed rail where it’s not needed and electric cars that consumers won’t buy, wasted a lot of money. But on balance the administration, working with the Federal Reserve, succeeded in its core mission. The rebound of the Dow Jones Industrial Average from 6,626 in March 2009 to above 13,000 today is no comfort to the many Americans who remain unemployed or poorer than before the crisis. But it reflects a recovery of the faith upon which every economy depends.

    The article continues....
    How about all that investment in green energy? Now I hear that not only was Abound's technology the same as the market leaders, First Solar, but the product actually sucked. Great investment!!

    "We heard from one employee, a whistleblower employee, who made the statement; the solar panels worked fine as long as you didn't put them in the sun," said Republican Colorado Rep. Cory Gardner.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...#ixzz2AiVdgy6C

    Obama was really "clear eyed" on that. Lloyd, if you "invested" as well as Obama did, you'd be brought up on charges.

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    http://thinkprogress.org/climate/201...ot-initiative/


    Bill Clinton Throws His Support Behind Michigan’s Renewable Energy Ballot Initiative
    By Stephen Lacey on Oct 29, 2012 at 2:00 pm
    Michigan is playing host to a major battle over renewable energy this fall. On one side are clean energy proponents promoting a ballot initiative that would increase the state’s renewable electricity targets to 25 percent by 2025. On the other side are large coal-dependent utilities fighting to prevent any new increases.
    In the middle are Michigan voters who are getting bombarded with millions of dollars in advertisements from utilities opposed to new renewable energy standards. Even so, a majority of Michiganders say they support new targets that would diversify the state’s electricity mix — stimulating billions of dollars in renewable energy investments while only adding about 50 cents per month to the average residential utility bill.
    Backers of Proposal 3 might not have the spending power of the state’s largest utilities. But they now have a major heavy hitter on their side: Bill Clinton.
    Former President Clinton — a man well-versed in the benefits of clean energy — has officially put thrown his support behind the 25 percent renewable electricity target.

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    Hurricane Sandy Shows We Need To Prepare For Climate Change, Cuomo And Bloomberg Say
    Posted: 10/30/2012 1:29 pm EDT Updated: 10/30/2012 1:49 pm EDT


    Cuomo said on Tuesday that he told President Barack Obama it seemed like "we have a 100-year flood every two years now."

    "These are extreme weather patterns. The frequency has been increasing,” he said.

    Of protections like levees in Lower Manhattan, Cuomo said, "It is something we’re going to have to start thinking about … The construction of this city did not anticipate these kinds of situations. We are only a few feet above sea level."

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    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/1...energy-in-Iowa

    Romnesia: With 11 days to go, Mitt Romney changes position on subsidies for renewable energy in Iowa
    byJed LewisonFollow

    Remember how Mitt Romney hurt himself in Iowa by coming out against subsidies for wind power? Well, now that it's 11 days before the election and he desperately needs to win Iowa, he's apparently having a change of heart, because today he said he would support subsidies for renewables:

    Mitt Romney says he's the change candidate ... and to prove it, he changes his positions.
    We're going to support nuclear and renewables, but we'll phase out subsidies once an industry is on its feet.
    Now this might not actually be a flip-flop, because Romney doesn't specifically say that he supports wind energy tax breaks. Instead, he goes with a vague pledge to support "renewables." But make no mistake: He wants Iowans to at least think he supports wind energy tax breaks.
    The only question here is whether Romney is making a crass eleventh hour political flip-flop ... or if he simply wants people to think he's flip-flopped. Maybe we could get an answer if he actually took questions from the media, but that's not happening anytime soon. Actually, it probably doesn't even matter, because if there's one thing we should know by now about Mitt Romney, the only thing that you can truly believe about him is that he'll say whatever he thinks he needs to say in order to get what he wants to get.
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    To borrow some words the President spoke in 2012, "Mr. Obama, you didn't build that road."

    3.5-mile stretch of road in Los Angeles renamed President Barack Obama Boulevard

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/st...ard/ar-AAATIE7

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