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    Quote Originally Posted by Havakasha View Post
    DGL down again a hair at 55.97 or negative 0.05

    LMCA up for a finish at 82.97 or a gain of 0.80


    Im going to post weekly results from now on. Too boring. LOL.

    Although I thought the article on gold was pretty interesting.

    Who were "those experts"?
    Here, I'll do the math for you based on your 5/18 post "Yesterday DGL closed at 54.41 and LMCA closed at 79.67"

    DGL: ((55.97 - 54.41) / 54.41)*100 = 2.87%

    LMCA: ((82.97 - 79.67) / 79.67)*100 = 4.14%

    Today looks like a good day for stocks. Probably because Walker kicked ass last night.

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    Nope, wrong again. You must get tired of being wrong so often.
    Its a good day today because the market was buoyed by the idea of the Fed stimulating the economy.


    " Stocks surge on Fed hopes. Dow industrials see their largest single-day
    jump of the year, as pressure mounts on policy makers to come up with additional stimulus."

    From Marketwatch.com

    Gold didnt benefit.

    LMCA was up nicely by 1.73 to 84.50 or 2.09%
    DGL was up by the tiniest of margins. Up 0.01 to 55.98 or 0.02%


    Good read on gold i posted the other day. Right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havakasha View Post
    Nope, wrong again. You must get tired of being wrong so often.
    Its a good day today because the market was buoyed by the idea of the Fed stimulating the economy.


    " Stocks surge on Fed hopes. Dow industrials see their largest single-day
    jump of the year, as pressure mounts on policy makers to come up with additional stimulus."

    From Marketwatch.com

    Gold didnt benefit.

    LMCA was up nicely by 1.73 to 84.50 or 2.09%
    DGL was up by the tiniest of margins. Up 0.01 to 55.98 or 0.02%


    Good read on gold i posted the other day. Right?

    Fine read, thanks. And thank goodness for the Walker spike!! When Romney wins we are talking a 16,000 Dow lol.

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    Market usually does better under Democrats. Just check out the statistics.

    I seem to remember you saying President Obama was going to win. hmmm. I quess that was before you starting
    taking anti-depressants.

    Siriusly "I am going to pull all my money out of the market cause of Greece, oh oh wait no im not"

    I find it interesting that all you ever talk about is your gold stock but say its less than 5% of your portfolio. Whats up with that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havakasha View Post
    Market usually does better under Democrats. Just check out the statistics.

    I seem to remember you saying President Obama was going to win. hmmm. I quess that was before you starting
    taking anti-depressants.

    Siriusly "I am going to pull all my money out of the market cause of Greece, oh oh wait no im not"

    I find it interesting that all you ever talk about is your gold stock but say its less than 5% of your portfolio. Whats up with that?
    That's nonsense. I've talked about CTL which is a high dividend paying stock. I've talked about shorting the dollar which hasn't yielded any results due to Europe.

    Listen, the "meds" line is mine, but flattering none the less.

    Europe and their problems remain an issue. Didn't you hear what Buffet had to say today?

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    Overwhelming % of the time you have talked about DGL. Just the facts. Now you've listed 3 things. Oh yeah the 4th was some penny stock.

    The meds line is NOW mine since i found out how much you know about them. lol.
    Get used to it.

    Market does better historically under Democrats. Just the facts.
    What did you think of the article i posted on investing in gold?

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    Remember this?

    Why your portfolio doesnt need gold
    By Jack Hough
    After sliding 6% in May, the price of gold jumped 3.7% on Friday. Skeptics say it is a temporary rise in a longer downturn. Fans of the metal say it is the start of another glorious run.

    Picking a side is pointless. Gold defies efforts to calculate its worth—or even to describe how it behaves as an investment. That means there isn’t a clear reason to invest in it.

    If you must own some gold to sleep better, stick with a multivitamin approach: A little bit won’t hurt. A lot can prove toxic.

    Gold is prone to long booms and busts. Before its latest dip, it multiplied five times in value over a decade, mocking stocks and other investments. Before that, it lost money for 20 years.

    Some investors look to gold as a safe haven. It is one—but only when it wants to be. Just over two years ago, when investors learned that Greece’s deficits were much larger than officials there had reported, the metal followed U.S. Treasurys higher while Greek government bonds crashed.

    Yet last month, with Greece’s fiscal crisis intensifying, Greek government bonds again tumbled while U.S. Treasurys rose, but this time investors dumped gold.

    To study how gold behaves, we asked FactSet Research Systems to analyze the metal’s short-term correlation with two other investments: the 10-year Treasury note, representing safe havens, and the Standard & Poor’s 500 stock index SPX -0.46% , representing risk.

    “Correlation” is a measure of how closely two assets track each other. A reading of 1.0 means they trade in lock-step, while zero means they are independent and a reading of minus-1.0 means they act like opposites.

    What did FactSet find? Chaos. The correlation between gold and the 10-year Treasury has jumped above 0.6 at some points over the past five years and has fallen below minus-0.8 during others, changing direction several times. The one between gold and stocks has had similar spasms, with the highs topping 0.9.

    In other words, gold might suffer from a multiple personality disorder.

    Some investors say gold is a hedge against inflation. That is true of any good or service that consumers can be counted on to want in coming years, such as oil or poultry farms. Gold’s wild swings have made it a poor proxy for the consumer-price index, a key inflation measure.

    Perhaps that is because only 12% of gold’s demand comes from industrial applications, according to the World Gold Council, a trade group. The rest comes from jewelry and investment (and the divide between those two isn’t always clear).

    Still others view gold as “real money” —the one thing that will hold its value if governments create so much new currency that those currencies lose their value. Taken to its logical conclusion, this means governments would eventually agree to once again use gold as the basis for their currencies, says James Swanson, chief investment strategist at MFS, a mutual-fund company.

    That is a fantasy, he argues, because some powerful nations have relatively little gold and some gold-rich nations have little power.

    So how much is gold really worth? With stocks, bonds, rental houses and laundromats, one way to answer that question is to compare the purchase price with expected cash flow. But gold doesn’t generate any cash. Indeed, it costs something to store it.

    Investors sometimes use the cost of producing the world’s next ounce of gold as an approximate floor for its price. That cost is between $1,200 and $1,400 now, depending on the efficiency of the mine, reckons Michael Dudas, a mining-stock analyst at investment bank Sterne Agee. Gold sold for $1,620.50 an ounce on Friday.

    There is a catch, however: The cost of mining gold has followed the price of gold higher, as mining firms have bid up machine prices and countries with plenty of gold underground have raised the royalties they charge to miners, Dudas said. If production costs are a floor for gold’s price, the floor is made of straw, not concrete.

    Of course, gold’s price is ultimately based on supply and demand, and demand has surely soared over the past decade. Exchange-traded funds such as SPDR Gold Shares GLD -0.48% and iShares Gold Trust IAU -0.57% have made gold investing easier than ever. Gold-coin pitchmen have played off the angst and distrust left by a global financial crisis.

    But ultimately, as Swanson put it, you need a psychology book rather than a calculator to decide how to trade gold, and that means you shouldn’t rely on it to do anything specific.

    Investors who are determined to stock up on gold following May’s dip might wish to give gold stocks a look instead. Year to date, gold’s price is up 3.5%, but the Market Vectors Gold Miners GDX -1.31% ETF has fallen 9.4%.

    Adrian Day, an Annapolis, Md., money manager overseeing $170 million, said gold miners look unusually cheap relative to the size of their gold reserves. Joseph Foster, manager of the Van Eck International Investors Gold fund, can place fund assets in either gold or mining shares. He said he heavily favors the latter now.

    Foster’s top holdings include Randgold Resources GOLD -0.55% and New Gold NGD -1.58% . Sterne Agee’s Dudas issued buy recommendations on Newmont Mining NEM -0.54% and Gold Resource GORO -2.76% last month.

    For investors who won’t feel comfortable without having some physical gold within easy reach, one last piece of advice: Forget about Krugerrands. Buy your spouse something expensive, lovely and high-karat.

    That way, even if gold disappoints, at least someone will be happy.

    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/why...old-2012-06-04

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    Fine article Lloyd.

    It starting to sound like Obama is alienating his fellow democrats. Pelosi proposed $1MM to his $250,000 and Clinton said to extend the "Bush tax cuts" to EVERYONE.

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    I thought i read that Clinton said extend the Bush tax cuts "temporarily". Did you leave out that word on purpose
    or just read it wrong? lol. I hope you are aware that different people have different opinions and dont all walk
    in lockstep with the President. Big deal.


    DGL recovered from a low of 54.59 to finish down 0.97 or 1.73% at 55.01
    LMCA was down .55 or 0,65% at 83,93

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havakasha View Post
    I thought i read that Clinton said extend the Bush tax cuts "temporarily". Did you leave out that word on purpose
    or just read it wrong? lol. I hope you are aware that different people have different opinions and dont all walk
    in lockstep with the President. Big deal.


    DGL recovered from a low of 54.59 to finish down 0.97 or 1.73% at 55.01
    LMCA was down .55 or 0,65% at 83,93
    Obama has "doubled down" on increasing taxes "on the rich" and says it is non negotiable - a clear departure from Clinton who would temporarily extend the cuts FOR ALL.

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