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    The topic was "polarization", and I agree, whether Obama is moderate or not, that polarization is at an all time HIGH. I almost voted for him in 2008 under the belief he would UNITE. Silly me.

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    "But on Friday, political scientist Keith Poole released a study that probably cheered the White House. According to Poole’s highly respected classification system, Obama is the most moderate Democratic president since World War II. Which raises a question: How can Obama simultaneously be one of the most divisive and most moderate presidents of the past century?"

    I wonder what the answer is? Could it possibly be that the Republicans have become quite
    extreme in their positions?

    You cant say "whether Obama is a moderate or not" (he is clearly) and say he is a Marxist at the same time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havakasha View Post
    "But on Friday, political scientist Keith Poole released a study that probably cheered the White House. According to Poole’s highly respected classification system, Obama is the most moderate Democratic president since World War II. Which raises a question: How can Obama simultaneously be one of the most divisive and most moderate presidents of the past century?"

    I wonder what the answer is? Could it possibly be that the Republicans have become quite
    extreme in their positions?

    You cant say "whether Obama is a moderate or not" (he is clearly) and say he is a Marxist at the same time.
    The truth is he's extremely left. Let's be real here. He is, minimally, a staunch advocate of redistribution. The record is clear. If that is "moderate", then indeed, I'm a centrist lol.

    Look at his budget. That says it all.

    I don't think Republicans have become extreme in their positions. They just want to stop the insanity of a government growth and interference into citizens lifes.

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    President Obama is not extremely left. That is really absurd. All one has to do is read Daily Kos for the past 3 years to see how many times the left wing of the Democratic Party has been opposed to his positions.

    You are also clearly wrong in denying the Republican drift to the right. Even the average American understands that on an intuitive level.


    THU DEC 15, 2011 AT 12:40 PM PST
    New Pew Poll: "Republican Party Seen as Extreme and Uncompromising"
    The poll has the ominous title (for Republicans) Frustration with Congress Could Hurt
    Republican Incumbents pdf

    This poll is full of bad new for Republicans with the central point being the public is painfully aware of the Republicans' radicalism and intransigence over the past year. An image the Republicans in congress is very unlikely to alter as Republicans are trying to extort more concessions using the threat of another government shutdown.

    This section of the poll jumped out at me as especially significant over the long term.

    Republican Party Seen as Extreme and Uncompromising
    Which party… Rep Party Dem Party Neither(vol.) Other/DK

    Is more extreme 53% 33% 1% 13% =100%
    in its positions

    Is more willing to
    work with the
    other side 25% 51% 12% 13% =100%

    Can better
    manage gov’t 35% 41% 13% 12% =100%

    Is more honest
    and ethical 28% 45% 16% 11% =100%

    PEW RESEARCH CENTER Dec. 7-11, 2011. Incumbent
    reelection questions based on registered voters. Other
    questions based on general public.

    The Republican Party is taking more of the blame than the Democrats for a do-nothing
    Congress. A record-high 50% say that the current Congress has accomplished less than
    other recent Congresses, and by nearly two-to one (40% to 23%) more blame Republican leaders than Democratic leaders for this. By wide margins, the GOP is seen as the party that is more extreme in its positions, less willing to work with the other side to get things done, and less honest and ethical in the way it governs. And for the first time in over two years, the Democratic Party has gained the edge as the party better able to manage the federal government.
    To be sure, neither party’s leadership is viewed positively right now. Just 31% approve of how Democratic congressional leaders have performed. But even fewer (21%) approve of the job Republican leaders have done. And a good deal of this criticism is coming from within the GOP base. While Democrats approve of the job their party’s leaders are doing by a 60% to 31% margin, only 49% of Republicans approve of the GOP leaders in Congress are doing, while 44% disapprove.
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    Another example of President Obama taking positions that the majority of Americans support.


    Public backs Obama in birth control fight, poll suggests
    By Olivier Knox | The Ticket – 6 hrs ago

    It's not even close: By a lopsided margin of 66 percent to 26 percent, Americans support President Barack Obama's proposal to require private health insurance plans to cover the full cost of birth control for women, according to a new CBS/New York Times public opinion poll.
    Rephrasing the question to ask specifically about "religiously affiliated employers, such as a hospital or university," barely moved the needle, to 61 percent to 31 percent.
    Those numbers, which come with a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points, are better for Obama than his numbers on foreign policy (50 percent approve, 36 percent disapprove), Afghanistan in particular (51 percent approve, 36 percent disapprove) and are nearly the mirror image of public opinion on his handling of the federal budget deficit, where he loses 32 percent to 59 percent.
    National polls can understate the political danger of a given issue. Congressional Democrats fretted last week that the firestorm could cost them dearly among blue-collar voters, especially Catholics., in states like Pennsylvania. Some Democrats complained privately that the
    "culture war" clash drowned out the positive news about the economy.
    The poll was conducted from Feb. 8 to Feb. 13. It's not clear what impact Obama's proposed "accommodation" to religious institutions will have politically.
    Olivier Knox is the White House correspondent for Yahoo News.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havakasha View Post
    Another example of President Obama taking positions that the majority of Americans support.


    Public backs Obama in birth control fight, poll suggests
    By Olivier Knox | The Ticket – 6 hrs ago

    It's not even close: By a lopsided margin of 66 percent to 26 percent, Americans support President Barack Obama's proposal to require private health insurance plans to cover the full cost of birth control for women, according to a new CBS/New York Times public opinion poll.
    Rephrasing the question to ask specifically about "religiously affiliated employers, such as a hospital or university," barely moved the needle, to 61 percent to 31 percent.
    Those numbers, which come with a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points, are better for Obama than his numbers on foreign policy (50 percent approve, 36 percent disapprove), Afghanistan in particular (51 percent approve, 36 percent disapprove) and are nearly the mirror image of public opinion on his handling of the federal budget deficit, where he loses 32 percent to 59 percent.
    National polls can understate the political danger of a given issue. Congressional Democrats fretted last week that the firestorm could cost them dearly among blue-collar voters, especially Catholics., in states like Pennsylvania. Some Democrats complained privately that the
    "culture war" clash drowned out the positive news about the economy.
    The poll was conducted from Feb. 8 to Feb. 13. It's not clear what impact Obama's proposed "accommodation" to religious institutions will have politically.
    Olivier Knox is the White House correspondent for Yahoo News.
    So you favor government mandating actions that a people of a certain faith are strongly opposed to?

    I'm starting to believe YOU might be a socialist, or minimally, a non believer in what the United States of America is about.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKc6e...eature=related
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    Are you the same guy who said he had no interest in discussing religion, abortion, birth control, etc.? Hmmm....


    The Public Religion Research Institute found that 55 percent of Americans, and 58 percent of self-identified Catholics, agree with the following statement: "Employers should be required to provide their employees with health care plans that cover contraception and birth control at no cost."

    Poll: Most back White House birth control rule


    By TIM MAK | 2/15/12 7:16 AM EST

    A strong majority of Americans support the Obama administration’s requirement that health insurance plans cover the cost of contraceptives for religiously affiliated employers, according to a new survey Wednesday.

    Sixty-five percent of registered voters said that they supported the Obama administration’s birth control mandate, according to a New York Times/CBS News poll.

    The Obama administration’s decision has sparked a backlash from religious groups that oppose the use of contraception.

    The original rule mandated that employers provide health insurance plans that include coverage for birth control, with an exemption for religious employers but not for religiously affiliated institutions like Catholic colleges or hospitals.

    Americans agreed with this rule, according to the survey — 59 percent of registered voters said that religiously affiliated employers should cover the cost of birth control in their employee health care plans.

    However, the Health and Human Services Department has since backtracked somewhat, issuing an altered rule that puts the onus on health insurance providers to pay for the cost of birth control. The Conference of Catholic Bishops and other religious leaders continue to oppose the concept.



    Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories...#ixzz1mcK5UGxf
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    Paul Krugman


    "Modern Republicans are very, very conservative; you might even (if you were Mitt Romney) say, severely conservative. Political scientists who use Congressional votes to measure such things find that the current G.O.P. majority is the most conservative since 1879, which is as far back as their estimates go."

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    "Are you the same guy who said he had no interest in discussing religion, abortion, birth control, etc.? Hmmm...."

    Exactly correct, I am surprised. I do respect others who have an interest in these topics though, and I do have a problem with a government that MANDATES things against the wishes of people. This is what is despicable about liberalism - "No Jimmy, you make too much as a CEO so I hereby MANDATE you to give "no less than 30%" of your earnings to Billy who didn't acheive what you did -- it's only fair."

    You phucking people make me want to toss my cookies. Sad part is your rival party doesn't even get it.

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    SiriuslyAngryandWrong.

    Keep your cookies. You are parroting every right wing and Republican talking point these days. You really need to think for yourself for a change.

    "Forget the Economy stupid
    GOP's New 2012 Plan: God, Guns, Gays"


    Typical.

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