Wow, I have to explain....Originally Posted by Havakasha
You posted this as a result of a new post in the "Obama Marxist Mole" thread. I simply asked you if you were calling Obama's documented history a lie? That he didn't join certain groups or associate with certain individuals with extreme world views?
Too many lies and innuendos have been spread by people from the right about President Obama and some of the people who he "associated with". Its sad that you would wallow in this same pile of crap.
I have demonstrated, I believe, that he is a fairly mainstream center/Left Democratic politician. I dont think anything you have said refutes that.
It's factual. There is nothing remotely accurate about "wallowing in the same pile of crap." Either he did or didn't associate with these individuals. Period.
You haven't demonstrated anything. In fact you think Obama is "mainstream" Well how about this news?
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2012/...8061337646714/
Last time we spoke of this, you cited a poll that showed a poll suggesting that many American's agreed with this mandate. So now a poll of Americans becomes the ultimate law of the land. What tremendous disrespect Obama has for certain American individuals of faith. My hope is that these individuals speak with their votes in November.
Please post those "FACTUAL" accounts of his associations. If you please can you simply tell me in YOUR OWN WORDS who were the people he associated with, what was the extent of those associations and how that impacts what you think of President Obama? Thanks.
Remember, many of the right wing stories have been discredited.
This is one way that i think you can quantify President Obama moderate credentials.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...cRwQ_blog.html
Obama: The most polarizing moderate ever
Posted by Ezra Klein at 10:04 AM ET, 02/07/2012
In 2011, Gallup’s polling showed that President Obama averaged an 80 percent approval rating among Democrats and 12 percent among Republicans, making his third year in office one of the most polarizing on record. For a candidate whose campaign promised an era of post-partisan unity, it must be a disappointing reality check.
But on Friday, political scientist Keith Poole released a study that probably cheered the White House. According to Poole’s highly respected classification system, Obama is the most moderate Democratic president since World War II. Which raises a question: How can Obama simultaneously be one of the most divisive and most moderate presidents of the past century?
(Keith Poole, VoteView.com)
Poole’s study is based on a system for sorting politicians known as “DW-Nominate.” But DW-Nominate doesn’t directly measure ideology. Instead, it measures coalitions. It’s got pretty much every roll-call vote taken between 1789 and December 2011. It looks to see who votes together and how often. The assumption is that the most ideological members of both parties will do the least crossover voting. And it works. Its results line up with both common sense and alternative ways of measuring ideology, like the scorecard kept by the American Conservative Union.
Over the past century, DW-Nominate has revealed a steady increase in congressional polarization. Democrats have moved to the left, while Republicans have moved to the right. But Republicans have moved a lot farther than Democrats.
Last edited by Havakasha; 05-22-2012 at 12:50 AM.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...y.html?hpid=z2
E.J. Dionne Jr.
Opinion Writer
President Obama as an alien
By E.J. Dionne Jr., Published: February 22
They say that President Obama is a Muslim, but if he isn’t, he’s a secularist who is waging war on religion. On some days he’s a Nazi, but on most others he’s merely a socialist. His especially creative opponents see him as having a “Kenyan anti-colonial worldview,” while the less adventurous say that he’s an elitist who spent too much time in Cambridge, Hyde Park and other excessively academic precincts.
Whatever our president is, he is never allowed to be a garden-variety American who plays basketball and golf, has a remarkably old-fashioned family life and, in the manner we regularly recommend to our kids, got ahead by getting a good education.
Please forgive this outburst. It’s simply astonishing that a man in his fourth year as our president continues to be the object of the most extraordinary paranoid fantasies. A significant part of his opposition still cannot accept that Obama is a rather moderate politician quite conventional in his tastes and his interests. And now that the economy is improving, short-circuiting easy criticisms, Obama’s adversaries are reheating all the old tropes and cliches and slanders.
True, some of this is driven by cable television (a venue in which I acknowledge regularly participating). Attacks designed to gin up the conservative base are quickly recycled to gin up outrage within Obama’s own base. Moreover, Obama is not the first president caught up in the rank unpleasantness of this particularly unforgiving political moment. A quick Google search will unearth references to George W. Bush as a “Nazi,” and Bill Clinton’s Republican opponents went so far as to impeach him in a shameful episode of extreme partisanship.
On those Hitler metaphors: Can we please agree to a voluntary cross-party ban on invoking the Fuhrer in the context of American politics? Only dictators who commit genocide against millions qualify for this odious comparison. It trivializes Hitler’s crimes to use Nazi references as everyday epithets.
But there is something especially rancid about the never-ending efforts to turn Obama into a stranger, an alien, a Manchurian Candidate with a diabolical hidden agenda. Are we trying to undo all the good it did us with the rest of the world when we elected an African American with a middle name popular among Muslims?
In my experience, even Americans who voted against Obama were proud that our nation showed friend and foe alike that we are a special place. We know it’s wrong to judge people by their race or lineage, and we so value religious freedom and openness that we elected a Christian convert who is the son of a Muslim father and an agnostic mother to lead us at one of our most difficult moments.
Yet many in the anti-Obama camp just can’t stop themselves from playing on fears that electing a man who defies old stereotypes was a terrible mistake. Thus did the Rev. Franklin Graham assert Tuesday on MSNBC not only that Muslims regard Obama as “a son of Islam” (because his father was Muslim) but also that “under President Obama, the Muslims of the world, he seems to be more concerned about them than the Christians that are being murdered in the Muslim countries.” Graham slightly softened his comments on CNN Wednesday, but it remains troubling that he chose to turn a legitimate concern about the persecution of Christians into a slander.
"Please post those "FACTUAL" accounts of his associations. If you please can you simply tell me in YOUR OWN WORDS who were the people he associated with, what was the extent of those associations and how that impacts what you think of President Obama? Thanks."
There is an entire 12 page thread dedicated to this specific topic: http://siriusbuzz.com/forum/showthre...t-Wizard-of-Oz
There are plenty of articles, comments and examples for you to review.
Don't be a denier.
Last edited by SiriuslyLong; 05-22-2012 at 09:12 AM.
Your a little gullible when it comes to believing the right wing media in general.
I quess you didnt read my posts in the past where i showed you how descredited some of the those right wing postings were.
Just think of the way people have pushed the Birther issue, and called President Obama a "Marxist". All completely false.
I repeat:
"If you please, can you simply tell me in YOUR OWN WORDS who were the people he associated with, what was the extent of those associations and how that impacts what you think of President Obama?" Thanks
If you wish, state in your own words your top 3. Unless you think you can give me more. Thanks
I have made plenty of comments and cited examples in the above thread. Sorry you cannot absorb any of them. They're there. I checked and made sure. So go ahead and pick three and we can discuss if you 'd like.
By the way, I didn't even know what a "birther" was until you told me. How evily conservative is that?
And that would be "you're a little gullible", but please, you should know by now that I don't take everything at face value like you do. I try to understand the basis of what people are saying. I may or may not agree....
Once again, Please post in YOUR OWN WORDS HERE what associations you are talking about how they impact your thinking?
I really dont think its too much to ask. I quess he is incapable of doing it. NO brains but a lot of chutzpah. lol
My own words are already posted in the above thread. Go ahead and read them.
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