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    5 Myths about President Obama

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...hpid=z4&sub=AR


    By Jonathan Alter, Published: January 20

    Barack Obama’s rise in politics was so rapid, and his background so unusual, that he was immediately subjected to malicious myths — from the bogus story that he was raised Muslim to the lie that he wasn’t born in the United States. Of course, some of the raps on Obama are valid interpretations of his performance. It’s not a myth that he was long distracted from job creation, that his foreclosure policies have failed or that he was outfoxed by Republicans for much of 2011. But as Obama prepares to defend his record Tuesday in the State of the Union address, let’s dispense with some genuine misconceptions about his presidency.

    1. Obama is a socialist.

    This myth began with a 2008 campaign stop in Ohio, when then-Sen. Obama was caught on tape telling Joe Wurzelbacher (“Joe the Plumber”) that we needed to “spread the wealth around.” Sen. John McCain said that “sounded a lot like socialism” and cited the quote often during the campaign.

    Conservatives have echoed the charge throughout Obama’s presidency. Writing in Commentary magazine in 2010, Jonah Goldberg accused him of aiming to “nationalize” two auto companies, stage a “partial government takeover” of health care and seize “managerial control” of Wall Street.

    But none of this is true. By temporarily putting major banks under government control, the TARP bailout contained socialist elements — but that didn’t make Obama any more of a socialist than then-President George W. Bush and Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson, who launched the rescue. Obama rejected nationalizing banks and made clear that he had no interest in running the auto companies receiving TARP money.

    The president’s health-care reform law keeps insurance in private hands, adopts the “individual mandate” concept from the conservative Heritage Foundation and is modeled in part on former governor Mitt Romney’s Massachusetts reform — not exactly a “Bolshevik plot,” as Obama put it. Finally, the Dodd-Frank reform bill, which Obama signed into law in 2010, regulates Wall Street but hardly controls it.


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    Unfortunately some people just prefer to ignore the truth.

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    Does the "moderate" SiriuslyWrong still want to argue that President Obama is a Marxist?

    You are embarassing yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havakasha View Post
    Does the "moderate" SiriuslyWrong still want to argue that President Obama is a Marxist?

    You are embarassing yourself.
    Moderate? I said I'm registered as a non party affiliate. I said that when I taking a typology test, I come out as centrist. You are embarassing yourself by attributing things to me that are totally incorrect. But this is actually quite usual.

    Here's a link to ONE test: http://www.people-press.org/typology/

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    Yes, you said you were a centrist. I thought that was similar to a moderate? Hmmm.
    You always did argue you were an independent and not ideologically predisposed.
    I think much of what you have published here over the passed 2 years has shown that to be
    a lie unfortunately. If you listen to Peter Schiff and others you follow its obvious that you
    have a right wing ideological bias. Why you want to hide from that I dont quite get.

    And then you publish a thread that says say that President Obama is a Marxist. You are really embarassing yourself.

    Read Jonathon Alters piece that this thread is about and understand how off you can be.
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    Get the wax out of your ears and hear what's being said. I've been talking about these typology tests for years now. Literally.

    I am economically conservative. Period.

    If there were no checks and balances, Obama would take this country more and more left. Just as he did with his two unopposed years with control of the senate and the house. This is a fact, and one of the key reasons the country is more divided then ever.

    Obama is waging class warfare on the rich, on BIG OIL... As indicated in those threads you cite, class warfare is a key element of Marxism (to topple capitalism).

    Take the clues as you wish. Left unabated, Obama will take us more to the left. It should be obvious.

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    Wrong again. Obama has reduced taxes on the middle class as he campaigned on it in 2008 and he followed through.
    He does want the Bush tax cuts to expire on the wealthy. That is not class warfare. Your listening
    to too many political talking points for someone who claims to dislike politiicians.

    He is a centrist with a leftist bent. Certainly not a leftist and DEFINITELY not a far leftist. Read dailykos and huffingtonpost everyday or week and you
    would understand that basic FACT. Sorry you have become so biased by some of the reading you do.

    He is NOT waging class warfare. Its a good sound bit but its not reality. I would say that the Republicans have waged class warfare over the past 20 years.
    He has NOT waged class warfare on Big Oil. He simply wants them to pay their fair share of taxes and eliminate some of the
    costly and unecessary subsidies they receive. He also wants the U.S. to diversity its energy sources for economic and environmntal reasons. I think he is bein very reasonable.

    You are obviously someone who believes the right wing talking points. To even imply that President Obama is a Sociaiist, or a
    Marxist is to show a level of ignorance as to make you seem VERY extreme in your views.

    P.S. I know about your typology tests for YEARS. I have no wax.
    Those tests are silly garbage. I trust my ears and eyes based on EVERYTHING you have published
    here. You can get very extreme far right with some of your comments. When you went to the lenght of trying to claim President Obama was a Marxist, that is the point at which i knew you had
    either gone off your rocker or always truly believed that lie and were hiding your true feelings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havakasha View Post
    Wrong again. Obama has reduced taxes on the middle class as he campaigned on it in 2008 and he followed through.
    He does want the Bush tax cuts to expire on the wealthy. That is not class warfare. Your listening
    to too many political talking points for someone who claims to dislike politiicians.

    He is a centrist with a leftist bent. Certainly not a leftist and DEFINITELY not a far leftist. Read dailykos and huffingtonpost everyday or week and you
    would understand that basic FACT. Sorry you have become so biased by some of the reading you do.

    He is NOT waging class warfare. Its a good sound bit but its not reality. I would say that the Republicans have waged class warfare over the past 20 years.
    He has NOT waged class warfare on Big Oil. He simply wants them to pay their fair share of taxes and eliminate some of the
    costly and unecessary subsidies they receive. He also wants the U.S. to diversity its energy sources for economic and environmntal reasons. I think he is bein very reasonable.

    You are obviously someone who believes the right wing talking points. To even imply that President Obama is a Sociaiist, or a
    Marxist is to show a level of ignorance as to make you seem VERY extreme in your views.
    Can you define Big Oil's "fair share"? Is it more than GE or Solydra's?

    You cannot see it as you are a blind ideologue. Big Oil does not receive "subsidies" as you suggest. We've gone over it again and again, yet you continue to "tow the party line." Big Oil takes tax deductions that are available to EVERY company. What the left wants to do is eliminate these deductions JUST FOR "BIG OIL". Oh that's fair. Singling out one industry.............. You are so blind.

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    "He simply wants them to pay their fair share of taxes and eliminate some of the costly and unecessary subsidies they receive. He also wants the U.S. to diversity its energy sources for economic and environmntal reasons. I think he is bein very reasonable."

    Yeah, losing $535,000,000 tax payer dollars on the Solyndra scandel is really reasonable.

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    Did you read Jonathon's Alters article?
    You still havent apologized for saying that President Obama is a Marxist.
    You either knoe that is a lie or your are an EXTREME right wing ideologue.
    WHICH IS IT? You cant escape for months as you tried with Peter Schiff.

    A defintion of "following the party line" is mentioning GE and Solyndra every chance you can. Talk about the blind calling others blind. BOY ARE YOU TURNING INTO A PSYCH CASE. WACKO.

    I know I am so blind, but you follow and praise Mr. Peter Schiff. lol Get a life.

    Yes, I believe that Big Oil has gotten too many tax subsidies. It obviously doesnt need them
    and if memory serves me correct at one time you say you were willing to have them eliminated
    Are you now taking that back and changing your argument. Cant keep track.
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