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  1. Havakasha is offline
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    01-26-2012, 03:08 PM #21
    Shouting "class warfare" all the time when the issue is much more complex than that, isnt demagoguery? look inward

    Making fun of just how quickly people from the right are willing to throw words such as Marxist,
    anti-capitalist, etc. around.

    And just pointing out a FACT you still seem afraid of. Most Americans think the wealthy are unfairly paying too litte in taxes.
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    01-26-2012, 04:14 PM #22
    Quote Originally Posted by Havakasha View Post
    Shouting "class warfare" all the time when the issue is much more complex than that, isnt demagoguery? look inward

    Making fun of just how quickly people from the right are willing to throw words such as Marxist,
    anti-capitalist, etc. around.

    And just pointing out a FACT you still seem afraid of. Most Americans think the wealthy are unfairly paying too litte in taxes.
    Oh yeah, I forgot that I'm dealing with an individual who thinks a poll or survey is a "fact". You want a fact?

    Here: http://ntu.org/tax-basics/who-pays-income-taxes.html

    The top 10% of earners (I'm in there!) pay a whopping 70% of all income taxes collected.

    NOW THAT'S A FACT

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    01-26-2012, 04:19 PM #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Havakasha View Post
    Shouting "class warfare" all the time when the issue is much more complex than that, isnt demagoguery? look inward

    Making fun of just how quickly people from the right are willing to throw words such as Marxist,
    anti-capitalist, etc. around.

    And just pointing out a FACT you still seem afraid of. Most Americans think the wealthy are unfairly paying too litte in taxes.
    And to set the record staight, shouting class warfare is a DEFENSE against demogoguery. People need to know that the left is trying to divide our society into "us" vs. "them".

    Knowledge is power. Demogoguery may lead to power, but the truth always sets one free.

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    01-26-2012, 04:21 PM #24
    Its a FACT that the polls show that most Americans think we should go back to tax rates under Reagan and Clinton for the Upper
    rates.

    Its a fact that because of the Bush tax cuts the upper class has been able to take advantage disproportionately of the tax system.

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    01-26-2012, 05:29 PM #25
    Quote Originally Posted by Havakasha View Post
    Its a FACT that the polls show that most Americans think we should go back to tax rates under Reagan and Clinton for the Upper
    rates.

    Its a fact that because of the Bush tax cuts the upper class has been able to take advantage disproportionately of the tax system.
    It is because of inflationism that the rich get richer.

    "Lenin is said to have declared that the best way to destroy the capitalist system was to debauch the currency. By a continuing process of inflation, governments can confiscate, secretly and unobserved, an important part of the wealth of their citizens. By this method they not only confiscate, but they confiscate arbitrarily; and, while the process impoverishes many, it actually enriches some. The sight of this arbitrary rearrangement of riches strikes not only at security but [also] at confidence in the equity of the existing distribution of wealth. Those to whom the system brings windfalls, beyond their deserts and even beyond their expectations or desires, become "profiteers," who are the object of the hatred of the bourgeoisie, whom the inflationism has impoverished, not less than of the proletariat. As the inflation proceeds and the real value of the currency fluctuates wildly from month to month, all permanent relations between debtors and creditors, which form the ultimate foundation of capitalism, become so utterly disordered as to be almost meaningless; and the process of wealth-getting degenerates into a gamble and a lottery. Lenin was certainly right. There is no subtler, no surer means of overturning the existing basis of society than to debauch the currency. The process engages all the hidden forces of economic law on the side of destruction, and does it in a manner which not one man in a million is able to diagnose."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflationism

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