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  1. #21
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    SiriuslyWrong, SiriuslyAngry, and now SiriuslyStickYourHeadInTheSand,( you dont mind me having a little fun with your name i hope) you didnt answer my questions as USUAL. Here they are again. Let's see if you will attempt to respond. My quess is no.

    Are you telling me that you dont know if man has anything to do with the warming of the planet? Or are you telling me you dont know if the planet is warming? Are you also telling me that you dont know if the earth is cooling (that's looney tunes John's position)?

    I read your threads, but if you REALLY READ the Politifact essay you would understand why I feel the way i do. It has nothing to do with dogma and everything to do with the preponderance of the evidence and what the overwhelming majority of climate scientists have to say on the subject.
    Are you seriously going to call the former head of the CIA under Bush a dogmatic sheep because he warns us about the serious consequences we will encounter from climate change?
    Please stop with the immature insults.

    To say its not an important issue at this moment is to let me understand just how little you know about the subject.

    P.S. Obviously you arent going to also answer the question I posed about who, if anyone, you view favorably for President from the Republican Party (besides Ron Paul). Im not sure what you fear about discussing this?
    Last edited by Havakasha; 09-12-2011 at 12:10 AM.

  2. #22
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    From Politifact for those who didnt read the whole article.
    For emphasis I pulled one statement out in particular:
    "IT IS NOT FAIR TO SAY 'THE SCIENCE IS IN DISPUTE', AS IF THERE ARE GOOD ARGUMENTS ON BOTH SIDES. RATHER, THERE IS SIGNIFICANT SCIENTIFIC CONSENSUS THAT HUMAN BEINGS ARE CONTRIBUTING TO GLOBAL WARMING. WE RATE HIS (PAWLENTY'S) STATEMENT FALSE."



    To summarize: Based on our research, there is very little dispute in the scientific community, especially among climate specialists, on whether climate change is primarily caused by natural or man-made forces. The overwhelming majority of scientists polled feel that human activity is the primary driver of climate change. Also, based on scientific studies by the IPCC and others, global warming over the past 50 years has been primarily driven by human activity.

    Based upon the preponderance of evidence we conclude that Tim Pawlenty’s claims are both incorrect and misleading to the public, who may not be familiar with the science behind climate change. It is not "fair to say the science is in dispute," as if there are good arguments on both sides. Rather, there is significant scientific consensus that human beings are contributing to global warming. We rate his statement False.
    We looked into the work of the most prominent and best credentialed people who have questioned the IPCC’s conclusions on global warming. Generally speaking, even these scientists do not claim that humans are making no contribution at all to rising temperatures. Rather, they tend to make more nuanced points. They question whether carbon emissions alone are driving up temperatures, or whether other human activities contribute as well. They question whether extreme weather events such as storms or floods can be conclusively linked to rising temperatures. And, they question whether significant changes to public policy are necessary as a means of coping with rising temperatures.



    A 2010 study published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences - the official publication of the United States National Academy of Sciences - found that out of 1,372 climate researchers surveyed, approximately 97 to 98 percent of those actively publishing in the field said they believe human beings are causing the climate change, which they term anthropogenic (i.e., man-made) climate change. It also concluded that "the relative climate expertise and
    scientific prominence" of the researchers unconvinced of man-made climate change are "substantially below that of the convinced researchers."

    An earlier survey published in the 2009 issue of Eos -- a publication of the American Geophysical Union -- surveyed scientists from a wide range of disciplines (approximately 3,146) and asked: "Do you think human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures?" Approximately 82 percent of the surveyed scientists answered yes to this question. Of those climate change specialists surveyed, 97.4 percent answered yes to this question.

    Climate change skeptics have their own petition, commonly called the Oregon petition, that has been endorsed by 31,000 signers opposing restrictions on carbon emissions. But that petition has been criticized for not checking the credentials of its signatories or proving that the signatories exist.


    But these skeptics seem to be a small -- even tiny -- minority, in contrast to Pawlenty’s comments suggesting significant disagreement. Many of the skeptics agree that climate change is occurring and that human activities play a part. But they disagree with some of the conclusions formulated in mainstream climate science.
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  3. #23
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    The scientist that was accused of 'fabrications', Hansen, I believe, has been totally cleared. The whole scandal was, for anyone that is not an ideologue, that respects science and knows how it works, total bullshit.

    But the propaganda mill always works on the weak-minded. They will continue to deny. Scary to admit you were duped. Or wrong.

  4. #24
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    Thanks for that Atypical.Yes the scientist was totally cleared. S&L is clearly an ideologue who has somehow convinced himself that he has not a single ounce of ideological bias in his bones. Unbelieveable how sanctimonious he is. On top of that he is not even honest enough to respond to simple questions about what he beiieves.
    Last edited by Havakasha; 09-12-2011 at 12:10 AM.

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    The National Academy of Sciences:

    As part of its most comprehensive study of climate change to date, the National Research Council today issued three reports emphasizing why the U.S. should act now to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and develop a national strategy to adapt to the inevitable impacts of climate change. The reports by the Research Council, the operating arm of the National Academy of Sciences and National Academy of Engineering, are part of a congressionally requested suite of five studies known as America's Climate Choices....

    The compelling case that climate change is occurring and is caused in large part by human activities is based on a strong, credible body of evidence, says Advancing the Science of Climate Change, one of the new reports. While noting that there is always more to learn and that the scientific process is never "closed," the report emphasizes that multiple lines of evidence support scientific understanding of climate change. The core phenomenon, scientific questions, and hypotheses have been examined thoroughly and have stood firm in the face of serious debate and careful evaluation of alternative explanations.

    "Climate change is occurring, is caused largely by human activities, and poses significant risks for and in many cases is already affecting a broad range of human and natural systems," the report concludes. It calls for a new era of climate change science where an emphasis is placed on "fundamental, use-inspired" research, which not only improves understanding of the causes and consequences of climate change but also is useful to decision makers at the local, regional, national, and international levels acting to limit and adapt to climate change. Seven cross-cutting research themes are identified to support this more comprehensive and integrative scientific enterprise.

  6. #26
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    The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration:

    The 2009 State of the Climate report released today draws on data for 10 key climate indicators that all point to the same finding: the scientific evidence that our world is warming is unmistakable. More than 300 scientists from 160 research groups in 48 countries contributed to the report, which confirms that the past decade was the warmest on record and that the Earth has been growing warmer over the last 50 years.

  7. #27
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    Joint statement by the American Association for the Advancement of Science, American Chemical Society, American Geophysical Union, American Institute of Biological Sciences, American Meteorological Society, American Society of Agronomy, American Society of Plant Biologists, American Statistical Association, Association of Ecosystem Research Centers, Botanical Society of America, Crop Science Society of America, Ecological Society of America, Natural Science Collections Alliance, Organization of Biological Field Stations, Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics, Society of Systematic Biologists, Soil Science Society of America, University Corporation for Atmospheric Research:

    Observations throughout the world make it clear that climate change is occurring, and rigorous scientific research demonstrates that the greenhouse gases emitted by human activities are the primary driver. These conclusions are based on multiple independent lines of evidence, and contrary assertions are inconsistent with an objective assessment of the vast body of peer-reviewed science.Moreover, there is strong evidence that ongoing climate change will have broad impacts on society, including the global economy and on the environment.






    And I could go on and on and on.....

  8. #28
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    Quote Originally Posted by SiriuslyLong View Post
    Here are 10 ideologues, corporate shills, hacks, idiots, conservatives, republicans, deniers...... who are "respected" climate change skeptics. Man are there a lot of these people. No wonder poor little Hava-gafa-kasha is "afraid" - there are sooooooooooooo many bigbadwolves.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/the-t...reeman-dyson-1
    Maybe when you can demonstrate comprehension to these counter arguements would I ever engage in a discussion about science with a cameraman.

  9. #29
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    SiriuslyAngry rears his head again.

    According to the evidence i provided 98% of climate scientists line up on one side of the argument. For whatever ideological reason you seem to want to believe the other 2%.
    Your "brillilant" excuse for not answering basic questions about what you truly believe is just that--an excuse.. My questions still stand.
    If have a problem debating a camerman then dont debate me, debate POLITIFACT. lol

    From Politifact a non partisan prize winning organization:
    "IT IS NOT FAIR TO SAY 'THE SCIENCE IS IN DISPUTE', AS IF THERE ARE GOOD ARGUMENTS ON BOTH SIDES. RATHER, THERE IS SIGNIFICANT SCIENTIFIC CONSENSUS THAT HUMAN BEINGS ARE CONTRIBUTING TO GLOBAL WARMING. WE RATE HIS (PAWLENTY'S) STATEMENT FALSE."

    "To summarize: BASED ON OUR RESEARCH, THERE IS VERY LITTLE DISPUTE IN THE SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY ESPECIALLY AMONG CLIMATE SCIENTISTS ON WHETHER CLIMATE CHANGE IS PRIMARILY CAUSED BY NATURAL OR MAN-MADE FORCES. The overwhelming majority of scientists polled feel that human activity is the primary driver of climate change. Also, based on scientific studies by the IPCC and others, global warming over the past 50 years has been primarily driven by human activity.

    Based upon the preponderance of evidence we conclude that Tim Pawlenty’s claims are both incorrect and misleading to the public, who may not be familiar with the science behind climate change. It is not "fair to say the science is in dispute," as if there are good arguments on both sides. Rather, there is significant scientific consensus that human beings are contributing to global warming. We rate his statement False.
    We looked into the work of the most prominent and best credentialed people who have questioned the IPCC’s conclusions on global warming. Generally speaking, even these scientists do not claim that humans are making no contribution at all to rising temperatures. Rather, they tend to make more nuanced points. They question whether carbon emissions alone are driving up temperatures, or whether other human activities contribute as well. They question whether extreme weather events such as storms or floods can be conclusively linked to rising temperatures. And, they question whether significant changes to public policy are necessary as a means of coping with rising temperatures."


    P.S. The following are the basic questions Siriusly Long CONTINUES to avoid, just as he avoided responding to all the many wrong economic predictions Peter Schiff made over the years. I believe there is a pattern developing.

    "Are you telling me that you dont know if man has anything to do with the warming of the planet? Or are you telling me you dont know if the planet is warming? Are you also telling me that you dont know if the earth is cooling (that's looney tunes John's position)?"

    Still waiting.......
    Last edited by Havakasha; 09-14-2011 at 06:43 AM.

  10. #30
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    I'll repeat my position. We should be good stewards of the Earth.

    Don't debate me, debate those scientists (not "politifact") that are "respected" skeptics. Still waiting on your scientific assesment of their positions... There are only 10; it shouldn't take you long...

    What's going on up there in Brooklyn? I hear a repbulican took Weiners vacant spot in a very liberal Jewish area? It's all over the news. How did that happen? Fox Business News is spinning it as an indictment of Obama's failures. Imagine that.
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