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    I'm too busy working on my film (per your advice) to think much deeper!

    I hate showing my ignorance but had to look up John Debella (i know the rest) and I'm still stumped.

    Never thought i would call for Muscle but i might have to break down on this one.

    Needs the money to buy CBS radio?

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    The Seeds Were Being Sown Long Before the Complaint was Filed!

    Read this . . . .

    Another caller said that he doesn't deny the fact that he brought in millions of subscribers but not 20 million. Howard said there were 600,000 subscribers there when he started. He said they had to sell radios and subscriptions. Howard said this enabled Sirius to gobble up XM. That got them another 8 million subscribers. Howard said it allowed them to merge and not pay salaries they were paying to two companies. Howard said that this 20 million is because of him. He said that the reason they're successful is because for the millions he brought over. The caller said that they sell subscriptions with new car sales too though. Howard said that when old fans of the show get a new car they get to hear the show again and maybe they subscribe. They need the content to get new listeners. Howard said that this is one of the reasons people stay or subscribe.
    If this is what One Twelve is hanging their hat on, good luck. What if I buy a new Honda that comes with XM? I get Howard only by subscribing to "Best of" . . . that number can be easily quantified. It would appear that a quite sizeable number of XM subscribers are apparently satisfied enough to renew without adding the "Best of" programming. All boils-down to the wording of that employment agreement which we will never see.
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    The song did appear fitting, but alas, in as much as Lloyd would like to believe it to be a permanent condition, I cannot think more deeply on this one at the moment. It is clear that Howard ends up "hating" those who have to manage him; those "superior" to him (in corporate terms), but I don't have it yet. I don't see that happening with Mel.

    My thought is that he simply wants validation, just like in the Rolling Stone article. Candidly though, although Howard did put SIRI on the map, it seems clear that 2 sat rad companies could not exist profitably, especially with the price they were paying for talent. I can't see how he should be rewarded for those XM subs that came with the merger.

    Another clue for the deep thinking challanged?

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    Rated R - Intended for Mature Audiences Only

    Quote Originally Posted by SiriuslyLong View Post
    It is clear that Howard ends up "hating" those who have to manage him; those "superior" to him (in corporate terms), but I don't have it yet.
    Damn SL! You are almost there . . . take 1 more big gulp of air and make a mad dash for the finish line . . . you still have a chance to break the tape ahead of Lloyd!

    "Think Deeper Man"

    . . . . . . . . . . . T. Savery
    As a heads-up, I will be revealing the answer later this evening. This, however, is a WARNING . . . if you are not a big fan of strong language you may want to steer clear of this thread. I will be posting an extended quote with unredacted language (I am not sure if the SB software will edit-out profanity when wrapped in quotes).

    The language gets pretty rough, even by Tyler Savery standards, so if you find "Richard Pryor" or "Redd Foxx" type language offensive . . . please avoid the thread for now. If you are interested in what was said but would rather not read that type of language, send me a confidential PM and I will clean-up the areas of concern and post a more PG version in the Siri Stock Thread.

    It is not my intent to simply post gratuitous profanities . . . it will be done for purposes of retaining the emotional context involved in the statements that were made.

    ok?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiriuslyLong View Post
    The song did appear fitting, but alas, in as much as Lloyd would like to believe it to be a permanent condition, I cannot think more deeply on this one at the moment. It is clear that Howard ends up "hating" those who have to manage him; those "superior" to him (in corporate terms), but I don't have it yet. I don't see that happening with Mel.

    My thought is that he simply wants validation, just like in the Rolling Stone article. Candidly though, although Howard did put SIRI on the map, it seems clear that 2 sat rad companies could not exist profitably, especially with the price they were paying for talent. I can't see how he should be rewarded for those XM subs that came with the merger.

    Another clue for the deep thinking challanged?
    There's my name again! See I thought S&L had a perverse obsession with me, but now i realize that all this attention is an attempt to help give me a clue. Wow! Cool! Thanks S&L.
    Its JUST got to be that since both S&L and Howard hate liberals the lawsuit is Howard's way of trying to hurt MY stock portfolio.
    Damn I'm smart.
    Last edited by Havakasha; 03-29-2011 at 01:57 PM.

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    He's my hurting portfolio too. Howard needs to remember this tidbit (maybe SRK knows the source) "the only thing between Beth and Stamos' cock is Howard's wallet."

    So I'm onto something and don't even know it? Let's get back to Lloyd first; "hate" is such an ugly word. My mom used to say, "only the devil hates".

    The ulterior motive could only be that Howard wants a management position at SIRI so HE can pull the strings, but I'm not sure if I buy that.

    I'm sure there is certainly a rant somewhere that would support that motive.

    Drum roll please.

    Now down to chat and politics to see what the dreaded liberals are whining about today.

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    Let me substitute rabidly and sincerely detests (and dont dare me to bring back some of your quotes ) for "hate". Sorry S&L.

    Damn S&L. So his lawsuit was an attempt to hurt your portfolio too?
    There goes that theory.

    If you want to read about Fox news (and S&L's)s dishonest attempts to paint Obama as
    a Socialist please head to the chat room.


    Waiting with bated breath to hear the answer to the Howard question SRK!
    Last edited by Havakasha; 03-29-2011 at 04:56 PM.

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    Rated R - Warning . . . Obscene Language

    ok, you guys have been good sports about this . . . so here goes.

    First, I am speculating here based 100% on circumstantial evidence. I believe Howard Stern is out to ruin David Frear. When Howard refers to a "long line" of people who have been unfairly dealt with by the company, he is talking about David Frear. Consider this:

    www.marksfriggin.com
    December 7, 2010

    Howard said he was so dissesd yesterday by this company. He said he got an article from Richard Bosch and the company hasn't even gotten back to them after they asked why this article came out. Howard said he's never even heard of this guy David Frear. He said he sounds like a complete idiot. Howard read the article and said that this guy can suck his dick. He said the article says he's going to have to take a pay cut. Howard said he's not going to take a pay cut. He said even if he was going to take a pay cut he doesn't have to broadcast it and humiliate him.
    or this (same source):

    Howard said he's not sure what business it is of anyone what he gets paid. He said this guy who is supposedly the CFO doesn't have to be broadcasting this stuff. Howard said the guy is a putz and it's unbelievable the amount of assholes he meets in this business. Howard said that he has no problem leaving this company after the 16th.
    again:

    Howard said this guy should just say he has no idea if he's going to sign or not. Howard said he has no idea who this guy, David Frear, is. He said that the guy says that he'd have to sign on for less money if he does stay there. Howard said the guy is a shithead. He said he doesn't have to say that in an article.
    and yet again:

    Howard said that this guy David got paid $3.3 million last year and he got that money because of him. Howard said the company wouldn't even exist now without Howard Stern. Howard said he's not going to take a pay cut. Howard said he'd rather not work there than take a pay cut. Howard said this guy knows nothing about it and he's never even heard the guy's name before. Howard said that he's not even in the loop as far as he knows.
    more:

    The caller said he was sorry for calling this guy David Frear a cock sucker. Howard said that the guy is probably a nice guy but he doesn't think that he deserves the $3.3 million. He said he signed a new contract in 2008 from what he was reading. Howard said he'd like to know how many listeners that guy brought in. Howard said he didn't even know they had a CFO. Howard said Mel does it all anyway so he's probably just a puppet there. Howard said Mel pulls all of the strings there. He said you can't spend 10 cents without it ending up on Mel's desk.
    The next day, Howard gave a half-hearted apology to Frear based on Frear's remarks apparently being misstated. I'm not buying the apology. More likely done based on other considerations. Would Howard really not know who David Frear is or that the company had a "CFO" . . . doubtful.

    Then, totally out of the blue, this yenta crackpot Joan Lappin, CFA, comes out with an article which, at its heart has no other apparent purpose than to trash David Frear.

    Joan Lappin, CFA
    March 25, 2011

    Poor decisions by Mel Karmazin CEO based on very bad advice from CFO David Frear left the company with insufficient cash and cash flow to pay the interest on its debt.

    With the stock at $0.50 after the Liberty bounce, huge option grants were given to Karmazin and Frear and others in top management.

    Keep your eye on David Frear’s stock transactions and S4 filings. He seems to know exactly when the shares are about to peak out and sell a bunch as he did recently when he sold 375,000 shares at $1.78 on 2/18/11 for a total value of $667,538.
    So why the sudden assault on David Frear? This is the first I have ever seen an accusation of "very bad advice from CFO David Frear." Where is this coming from and why now? If Mel thought Frear had given him "very bad advice" do you think David Frear would still be in the employ of the company? What is Joan Lappin's source for this accusation?

    Who is it exactly that is in this "long line" of people that Stern is referring to that have compensation issues with the company?

    Stern's lawsuit probably would have been filed with or without the remarks of David Frear, but it looks to me like Stern is also out to get a pound-of-flesh.
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    Good stuff SRK! Howard seemingly always has a target. Frear certainly can be the chosen one. Though, in Howard's apology, I do recal him saying he sends Christmas cards to the guy, and as you cited, noting that the earlier report was TOTALLY mistated. He even played Frear's actual comments which were vastly different than the earlier reports of his comments. I remember it well.

    But I like your "logic and common sense", and your ability to line it up. At the end of the day, I'm buying. Howard is certainly vindictive enough to have such an agenda as you pointed out in his history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havakasha View Post
    Let me substitute rabidly and sincerely detests (and dont dare me to bring back some of your quotes ) for "hate". Sorry S&L.

    Damn S&L. So his lawsuit was an attempt to hurt your portfolio too?
    There goes that theory.

    If you want to read about Fox news (and S&L's)s dishonest attempts to paint Obama as
    a Socialist please head to the chat room.


    Waiting with bated breath to hear the answer to the Howard question SRK!
    This thread isn't about the liberals hidden agenda LOL!!!!! We all know what that is. We hold those truths to be self evident

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