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    Quote Originally Posted by SiriusBuzz View Post
    I disagree. Pandora did not have a premium option, now they do. That is a shift they already made. How is it not?
    context is everything


    Quote Originally Posted by SiriusBuzz View Post
    So, are you saying it will stay the same? It will change one way or the other.
    I'm saying that you are speculating.

    Quote Originally Posted by SiriusBuzz View Post
    I doubt that. They are more likely to listen to Sirius XM, or anther online service. People who are listening to Pandora do not want Terrestrial. They might want Rhapsody or iTunes but, they are not looking for terrestrial radio.
    your original question related to what people-who-do-not-want-to-pay will listen to . . as long as the others you mention are ad-based/free then, ok sure . . but terrestrial is still an alternative.


    Quote Originally Posted by SiriusBuzz View Post
    What do you mean? I had plenty of options... Dial up, DSL, cable, satellite, etc.
    you're getting those internet connectivity options for free??


    Quote Originally Posted by SiriusBuzz View Post
    Personally, I happen to think Sirius XM is not immune from from other audio entertainment.
    I agree.

    Quote Originally Posted by SiriusBuzz View Post
    Why then has Pandora added a premium subscription offering? Are you suggesting they would rather those subscribers not pay and instead hear ads?.
    I'm not suggesting anything about Pandora's motives . . The discussion is about TSL . . . I'm simply placing on the record the the fact that TSL is declining.

    Quote Originally Posted by SiriusBuzz View Post
    What if tomorrow they say their online application is $3 per month just like last.fm did? Make no mistake about it, Pandora will suck as many users in as possible and then suddenly flip the switch one day.
    speculation


    Quote Originally Posted by SiriusBuzz View Post
    TSL as you describe it is misleading.
    I'm not describing it . . I'm merely pointing-out the irrefutable correlation between smart phone penetration and Pandora's declining TSL

    Quote Originally Posted by SiriusBuzz View Post
    TSL has declined because people are downloading a free application millions of times over, listening to a couple of songs, and then going about their day. Currently the majority of the mobile market isn't listening on their phones all day long...YET. Not to mention you have to weed out all of the trial listeners that simply walked away. When you talk about tens of millions of users, there are millions who screwed up that TSL metric.
    speculation

    Quote Originally Posted by SiriusBuzz View Post
    TSL is your cherry picked fact!
    yes, I found it laying on the ground, trampled among all the blossoms at Osborne Acres, and worried that Tyler might have overlooked it; I picked it up, put it in my little basket, and skipped right over here to the forums to give it to Tyler.


    Quote Originally Posted by SiriusBuzz View Post
    Would you want Spencer to to mention TSL if it meant mentioning Pandora's alarming growth rate and number of apps downloaded per day? Honestly, I'm asking.
    Yes, most definitely . . . so long as the presentation is balanced. For example, he might then also delve into a valid point that you raised earlier:

    "you have to weed out all of the trial listeners that simply walked away. Until someone (or Pandora) weeds out the fluff (inactive accounts) from the data, I dont care and neither should anyone else. I want to know what percentage of their users are active.'


    Quote Originally Posted by SiriusBuzz View Post
    BTW, the average user here has no friggin clue what TSL is or what to make of it.
    Many "users" here may not have known what ARPU, OEM, SAC or SAAR were either, or what to make of them . . until they learned about them in one of Tyler's articles.

    btw . . . your "average user here" may be a bit more sophisticated than you are giving credit for . . .
    Last edited by Sirius Roadkill; 02-23-2011 at 01:56 AM.

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