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  1. #81
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    Full Body Scanner Lobby: Michael Chertoff & Rapiscan

    Michael Chertoff, Former Department of Homeland Security, is the head of the Chertoff Group, the lead cheerleader for what is being called the Full Body Scanner Lobby, reports the Washington Post and the Washington Examiner.

    Ever since the Christmas Day Bomb Scare, Chertoff has been making the rounds championing the Full Body Scanners as a way to detect hidden explosive devices.

    Quote:

    Mr. Chertoff should not be allowed to abuse the trust the public has placed in him as a former public servant to privately gain from the sale of full-body scanners under the pretense that the scanners would have detected this particular type of explosive

    Kate Hanni, FlyersRights
    Source: http://flyersrights.org

    Here is a Chertoff quote from the New York Times on December 29th.“If they’d been deployed, this would pick up this kind of device,” Michael Chertoff, the former homeland security secretary, said in an interview, referring to the packet of chemicals hidden in the underwear of the Nigerian man who federal officials say tried to blow up the Northwest Airlines flight.

    A few days later the Washington Post revealed that Chertoff represents Rapiscan - a maker of full body scanners drawing criticism of groups who oppose full body scanners
    "Mr. Chertoff should not be allowed to abuse the trust the public has placed in him as a former public servant to privately gain from the sale of full-body scanners under the pretense that the scanners would have detected this particular type of explosive," said Kate Hanni, founder of FlyersRights.org, which opposes the use of the scanners.

    Rapiscan has already sold 150 full body scanners to the Transportation Security Administration (TSA), with a price tag of $25 million. Rapiscan full body scanners, like the Rapiscan WaveScan 200, seem to be the preferred scanner of choice because they obscure the "private parts."

    But the fully body scanner lobby is also littered with a number of companies vying for the $300 million dollars the government has set aside for this type of technology for airports.

    The Washington Examiner has a list of other full body scanner lobbyists including another heavy weight, Tom Blank, with the lobby group Wexler & Walker(pdf) - A lobby group that represents American Science and Engineering (AS&E) another full body scanner manufacturer.Blank was the former Deputy Administrator of the Transportation Security Administration - essentially Blank is lobbying the same federal department where he was boss.

    Lost in the hysteria surrounding full body scanners are two fundamental questions Are they effective? and are they worth the cost?

    They are certainly effective in the same way an x-ray machine is effective but as we all know x-ray machines are good at some things (detecting broken bones) and terrible at detecting other things (soft tissue injuries). That is why we use CT Scans and MRI technology because they are better at detecting other things.

    So for example, these fully body scanners may well have detected the Christmas Day Bomber but they would not have detected the Al Queda operative who used an anal body bomb in a September assassination attempt on the Saudi Interior Minister.

    It raises the question once we introduce one costly technology the terrorists are already one step ahead so security officials seem to be in a constant and very costly game of catch up.

    It is tough to win that sort of game so perhaps it is time to change the strategy? Oh say, focus on intelligence and clear open lines of communication between security agencies to begin with.


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  2. #82
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    Michael Chertoff's Pushing "Full-Body Scanners" for Airports but He Has a Conflict of

    Interest.

    PAGE 7 VS PAGE 15.... The Washington Post reports today, on page A7, that Michael Chertoff, the former DHS secretary, has been playing a little fast and loose with the public trust.

    Since the attempted bombing of a U.S. airliner on Christmas Day, former Homeland Security secretary Michael Chertoff has given dozens of media interviews touting the need for the federal government to buy more full-body scanners for airports.

    What he has made little mention of is that the Chertoff Group, his security consulting agency, includes a client that manufactures the machines. The relationship drew attention after Chertoff disclosed it on a CNN program Wednesday, in response to a question.

    An airport passengers' rights group on Thursday criticized Chertoff, who left office less than a year ago, for using his former government credentials to advocate for a product that benefits his clients.

    "Mr. Chertoff should not be allowed to abuse the trust the public has placed in him as a former public servant to privately gain from the sale of full-body scanners under the pretense that the scanners would have detected this particular type of explosive," said Kate Hanni, founder of FlyersRights.org, which opposes the use of the scanners.

    This seems like reasonable criticism. Chertoff has been all over the media, presenting himself as a credible expert on security matters -- he was, after all, the head of the Department of Homeland Security -- and talking up this technology. As the Post's article makes clear, Chertoff has a conflict of interest, which has been largely ignored.

    And yet, in the same newspaper, on the same day, in the same section, none other than Michael Chertoff has a 736-word op-ed calling for the expansion of whole-body-imaging technology at airports, and dismissing skeptics as "privacy ideologues."

    Is it me, or is there a disconnect between pages A15 and A7 the Post?

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  3. #83
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    Ex-Homeland Security Chief Chertoff Pushes Body Scanners, Abuses Public Trust

    Ex-Homeland Security Chief Head Said to Abuse Public Trust by Touting Body Scanners
    by Kimberly Kindy

    Since the attempted bombing of a U.S. airliner on Christmas Day, former Homeland Security secretary Michael Chertoff has given dozens of media interviews touting the need for the federal government to buy more full-body scanners for airports.

    Michael Chertoff, former Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security, speaks at the ceremonial swearing-in of Paul J. Fishman, US Attorney for the District of New Jersey at Rutgers Law School in Newark, N.J., Monday, Dec. 14, 2009. (AP Photo/Jeff Zelevansky) What he has made little mention of is that the Chertoff Group, his security consulting agency, includes a client that manufactures the machines. The relationship drew attention after Chertoff disclosed it on a CNN program Wednesday, in response to a question.

    An airport passengers' rights group on Thursday criticized Chertoff, who left office less than a year ago, for using his former government credentials to advocate for a product that benefits his clients.

    "Mr. Chertoff should not be allowed to abuse the trust the public has placed in him as a former public servant to privately gain from the sale of full-body scanners under the pretense that the scanners would have detected this particular type of explosive," said Kate Hanni, founder of FlyersRights.org, which opposes the use of the scanners.

    Chertoff's advocacy for the technology dates back to his time in the Bush administration. In 2005, Homeland Security ordered the government's first batch of the scanners -- five from California-based Rapiscan Systems.

    Today, 40 body scanners are in use at 19 U.S. airports. The number is expected to skyrocket at least in part because of the Christmas Day incident. The Transportation Security Administration this week said it will order 300 more machines.

    In the summer, TSA purchased 150 machines from Rapiscan with $25 million in American Recovery and Reinvestment Act funds. Rapiscan was the only company that qualified for the contract because it had developed technology that performs the screening using a less-graphic body imaging system, which is also less controversial. (Since then, another company, L-3 Communications, has qualified for future contracts, but no new contracts have been awarded.)

    Over the past week, Chertoff has repeatedly talked about the need for expanding the use of the technology in airports, saying it could detect bombs like the one federal authorities say Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, a 23-year-old Nigerian, carried onto the Detroit-bound aircraft.

    "We could deploy the scanning machines that we currently are beginning to deploy in the U.S. that will give us the ability to see what someone has concealed underneath their clothing," Chertoff said Wednesday in an interview on CNN. The incident on the Detroit-bound plane provided "a very vivid lesson in the value of that machinery," he said.

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  4. #84
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    This Is NOT Separation Of Church And State

    Evangelical Liberty University received half a billion dollars in federal aid money.
    One conservative college got more government cash than NPR last year!


    BY ALEX PAREENE

    Liberty University, the evangelical private Christian school founded by dead apartheid-supporting bigot Jerry Falwell, received $445 million in federal financial aid last year. The Corporation for Public Broadcasting, by
    the way, received $420 million from the federal government.

    That massive sum was thanks to the growth of Liberty's online program, which enrolled 52,000 students last year. The school is the No. 1 recipient of Pell grant money in the state of Virginia. While it may seem like the federal government is basically subsidizing this formerly financially challenged ultra-conservative religious private school, LU's executive director of financial aid sees it differently:

    For Ritz - a financial aid veteran who got his start at a small Bible college - Liberty's use of federal financial aid does not run counter to the university's conservative values. Liberty does not receive the federal money directly, Ritz said, but through students, who use it to pay for tuition, room and board and other expenses.

    "These funds are authorized by Congress and Congress is elected by voters. . . I've always been in the position where I believe I'm a steward of those federal funds. I'm a steward of tax-payer money."

    And I'm sure ACORN, Planned Parenthood and NPR feel the same way.

    Liberty University -- where the biology department teaches Young Earth Creationism -- is, astoundingly, an
    accredited school of higher learning.

    The school was broke and in debt until God killed Falwell for the insurance money.

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    How about cutting this crap to reduce the deficit?

  5. #85
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    Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts: Cookies or Careers?

    ScienceDaily (Apr. 9, 2011)

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0408114400.htm

    Nearly 5 million American children participate in the Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts, but until now no one has looked at the gender messages young people get when they start collecting those coveted badges.

    Kathleen Denny, a sociology graduate student at the University of Maryland, College Park, analyzed scouting manuals and found that -- despite positive aspects -- today's scouts are being fed stereotypical ideas about femininity and masculinity. Her findings were recently published in Gender & Society.

    Girl scouts, for example, are steered away from scientific pursuits while boys are discouraged from pursuing artistic inter¬ests. While gender has been analyzed in children's books and television, it has rarely been examined in scouting manuals.

    "The disproportionate and gendered distribution of art and science projects aligns with the large body of research that finds girls being systematically derailed from scientific and mathemati¬cal pursuits and professions due to cultural beliefs and stereotypes about their relative ineptitude in these areas," says Denny.

    Among Denny's other key findings:

    Girls are more likely than the boys to be offered activities involving art projects; Girls' art activities make up 11 percent of their total activities.
    Scientifically-oriented activities make up only 2 percent of all girls' activities, but boys science activities take up 6 percent of their scouting time.
    Girls are offered proportionately more communal activities than boys; 30 percent of the girls' badge work activities are intended to take place in groups, either with or for others.

    Boys are offered proportionately more self-oriented activities than girls; Less than 20 percent of the boys' activities are intended to take place with others.
    Despite her findings of stereotypical notions of femininity, Denny found that the boys' handbook "fosters intellectual dependence and passivity." Boys are routinely instructed to look for answers in the back of their guide, while girls are encouraged to do original research.

    Denny also found that the names of Scout badges convey strong messages about gender. Stereo¬typical ideas about "embellished femininity and stoic masculinity" are communicated in the level of playfulness (and the lack thereof) that char¬acterize the different badge titles.

    Some 27 percent of girls' badge titles use playful literary techniques such as alliteration and puns, while 0 percent of boys' badge titles do so.
    All 20 boys' badges (100 percent) have descriptive titles without using any playful wording, while only 73 percent of the girls' badges have descriptive titles. The boys' badge dealing with rocks and geology, for example, is called the "Geologist" badge, while the comparable girls' badge is called the "Rocks Rock" badge.

    Denny found boys' badge titles use more career-oriented language (such as Engineer, Craftsman, Scientist), whereas girls' badge titles consistently use more playful language with less of a career orientation. (Instead of the boy's "Astronomer," the comparable girls badge is called "Sky Search." Instead of "Mechanic," a similar girl badge is called "Car Care.")

    "When boys speak to others about their Geologist badge, they have a legitimate career title to use and are likely to be taken more seriously in conversations than girls discussing their achievement of a 'Rocks Rock' badge," Denny says.

    She also found that the types of activities the badges entail are "the most explicitly gendered dimensions in the girls' handbook." Examples of badges that have to do with stereotypically feminine activities include: Caring for Children, Looking Your Best, and Sew Simple. In addition to activities about personal hygiene and healthy eating, the Looking Your Best badge offers activities such as a "Color Party" that asks the girls to "take turns holding different colors up to your face [to] decide which colors look best on each of you." That same badge also offers the activity option of an "Accessory Party" where the girls "experiment to see how accessories highlight your features and your outfit."

    These badges are not offered in the Boy Scouts; the boys' Fitness badge, the only one approximating a personal-style badge, offers activities such as completing a weeklong food diary and telling a family member about the dangers of drugs and alcohol.

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    So let's see...

    Anti-gay - check.
    Anti-non-believer - check
    Pro-sex stereotypes - check

    What the hell do they teach that is relevant and accepts differences?

  6. #86
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    What Are We - The Old Soviet Union?

    My Experience Dealing With the Department of Defense Regarding Pfc. Bradley Manning Has Been Kafkaesque. Thursday 14 April 2011

    by: Congressman Dennis Kucinich, Truthout

    Since my initial request to visit Private First Class (Pfc.) Bradley Manning on February 4, 2011, the Department of Defense (DoD) has consistently sought to frustrate any attempts to communicate with Pfc. Manning regarding his well-being.

    I or my staff have been shuffled between the Secretary of the Army, the Secretary of the Navy, and the Office of Secretary Gates. I was initially told that I would need Pfc. Manning's approval in order to meet with him. When Pfc. Manning indicated his desire to meet with me, I was belatedly informed that the meeting could only take place if it was recorded because of a Monitoring Order imposed by the military's Special Courts-Martial Convening Authority on September 16, 2010, which was convened for the case. Confidentiality is required, however, to achieve the candor that is necessary to perform the oversight functions with which I am tasked as a Member of the Committee on Oversight and Government Reform. I was also told that I could be subpoenaed to testify about the contents of my conversation with Pfc. Manning.

    This is a clear subversion of the constitutionally protected oversight process and it severely undermines the rights of any Member of Congress seeking to gather information on the conditions of a detainee in U.S. custody.

    Though he has been held in custody since July 29, 2010, Pfc. Manning has not been convicted of any crime. His lawyer reports that he continues to be held in isolation 23 hours a day. He was also forced to strip naked at night and to stand at attention during roll call in front of other prisoners. The conditions of his treatment may violate his right to be protected from 'cruel and unusual punishment,' and punishment without trial as enshrined in the 8th and 5th Amendments of the Constitution.

    We now hear that the UN Special Rapporteur on Torture, Juan E. Mendez, was denied a private meeting with Pfc. Manning in order to determine whether the conditions of Manning's confinement amount to torture.
    The very existence of a U.N. Special Rapporteur on torture investigation speaks volumes about the conditions of his treatment.


    The continued delays I have experienced amount to a subversion of Pfc. Manning's legal rights as well as my own rights and obligations as a Member of Congress to conduct oversight. The whole world is now watching.

    What is going on with Secretary Gates and the Department of Defense with respect to Pfc. Manning's treatment is more consistent with Kafka than the U.S. Constitution. I will not cease in my efforts to determine whether or not the conditions under which he has been held constitute torture.

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    Who is responsible for this abuse? No one can see this kid? Lawyers and members of Congress can't? Amnesty International? What are they afraid of?

    This seems to be an overwhelming and frightening example of government control run amuck. And Obama, the one who said government would be more transparent, apparently that was a lie! Frightening!!!

  7. #87
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    Scott Walker Admits Union-Busting Provision "Doesn't Save Any" Money for the State of

    Wisconsin.


    Today, the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform called Governor Scott Walker (R-WI) and Peter Shumlin (D-VT) to testify in a hearing titled "State and Municipal Debt: Tough Choices Ahead." Much of the hearing was spent probing Wisconsin's spate of anti-union restrictions it recently passed.

    At one point, Representative Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) confronted Walker about his crackdown on public employee unions. The congressman referenced a provision Walker signed into law that would require union members to vote every year to continue their membership. Kucinich asked the governor how much money the state would save from the provision. Walker repeatedly dodged the question and eventually admitted that it actually wouldn't save anything at all.

    Kucinich then asked Walker how much money would be saved by barring union dues from being drawn from employee paychecks, another provision of Walker's legislation. Walker claimed that it would save workers money, but was unable to explain how it would save the state any money. Kucinich then produced a document from the Wisconsin Legislative Fiscal Bureau, the state's equivalent of the Congressional Budget Office, that concluded that Walker's measures were "nonfiscal" — meaning they had no impact on the state's finances. Kucinich asked that the letter be included in the public record, but Chairman Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA) refused:

    KUCINICH: Let me ask you about some of the specific provisions in your proposals to strip collective bargaining rights. First, your proposal would require unions to hold annual votes to continue representing their own members. Can you please explain to me and members of this committee how much money this provision saves for your state budget?

    WALKER: That and a number of other provisions we put in because if you're going to ask, if you're going to put in place a change like that, we wanted to make sure we protected the workers of our state, so they got value out of that. [...]

    KUCINICH: Would you answer the question? How much money does it save, Governor?

    WALKER: It doesn't save any. [...]

    KUCINICH: I want to ask about another one of your proposals. Under your plan you would prohibit paying union member dues from their paychecks. How much money would this provision save your state budget?

    WALKER: It would save employees a thousand dollars a year they could use to pay for their pensions and health care contributions.

    KUCINICH: Governor, it wouldn't save anything. [Goes on to present letter from LRF and is denied unanimous request for it to be placed in the public record by Issa]

    Walker's admission is crucial because he had long claimed that his anti-union "budget repair bill" was designed to save the state money, not bust unions. But his words today echo those of Wisconsin state senate leader Scott Fitzgerald (R), who last month effectively admitted that the union fights are not about budgetary issues, but rather about winning the next election by depleting the ranks of organized labor.


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    Every one of these puke conservative governors lie about everything. This is proof! More coming.

  8. #88
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    'C Street' Sen. Ensign Resigns As Ethics Committee Closes In

    When Sen. John Ensign, R-Nev., announced last month that he would not seek re-election, no one was surprised. But tonight Ensign caught Washington unaware when he announced that he would resign his seat on May 3, saying he did not want to put his family and friends through a public hearing on the adultery scandal that has likely ended his political career for good.

    Speculation abounds that the findings of a Senate Ethics Committee investigation could lead to criminal charges, even though, in his remarks tonight, Ensign stated that the Justice Department had declined to charge him with criminal wrongdoing. The New York Times, however, reported that Justice Department sources declined to confirm that assertion.

    The Times offered this excerpt from the ethics panel's statement:

    “The Senate Ethics Committee has worked diligently for 22 months on this matter and will complete its work in a timely fashion,” said the statement by Senator Barbara Boxer, Democrat of California, and Senator Johnny Isakson, Republican of Georgia. “Senator Ensign has made the appropriate decision.”

    Ensign, you'll recall, had an affair with his best friend's wife. And the best friend was his most trusted aide. And the wife was on Ensign's campaign staff. And the child of the best friend and best mistress was on the internship payroll of the National Republican Senatorial Committee, which Ensign chaired.

    When the best friend, Doug Hampton, learned of the affair his wife, Cindy, was having with the handsome senator -- now his ex-best friend -- Ensign's parents bestowed nearly $100,000 in "gifts" on the Hamptons. Oh, and Ensign got Hampton a lobbying job with a Las Vegas airline -- a job that involved lobbying Ensign, which is appears to be a little bit illegal.

    The scandal took on an even more cloak-and-dagger air when it was revealed that Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla. -- Ensign's housemate at the C Street residence for lawmakers operated by the secretive Christian cult known as the Family -- acted as Ensign's confessor, and his go-between in discussions with the Hampton family for a cash settlement of the matter.

    The Family -- also known as the Fellowship -- is known in Washington as the best friend of dictators, including the recently deposed Laurent Gbagbo of Ivory Coast, and supports the careers of the lawmakers behind Uganda's infamous "kill the gays" bill. Other than its sponsorship of the National Prayer Breakfast, the Family conducts few of its activities in public. Instead, it forms secretive cabals of powerful men throughout the world, the most powerful at the heart of the U.S. government. (Jeff Sharlet's two books on the organization, The Family and C Street, reveal chilling details of the group's global reach, and the role of U.S. senators and congressmen in its work.)

    In February, the ethics committee saw fit to hire a special prosecutor, Carol Elder Bruce, described by CNN as "an experienced former federal prosecutor in the U.S. Attorney's office in Washington, D.C." The engagement of a special prosecutor suggested that the committee's investigation was turning up serious wrongdoing.

    Last month, Coburn appeared before the committee in behind closed doors, a development that Politico writers Manu Raju and John Bresnahan said indicated that the investigation was "intensifying." Coburn, citing his status as both a physician and a deacon, once said that he would never share with anyone what he discussed with Ensign concerning the affair, but at the hands of a special prosecutor, he changed his tune, turning over e-mails and, according to a Coburn aide, 1,200 pages of documents to the Justice Department.

    Last month, Doug Hampton was indicted for illegally lobbying Ensign's staff.

    Ensign's seat will be filled by an appointment to be made by Nevada Gov. Brian Sandoval, a Republican. A likely choice would be Rep. Dean Heller, who had announced plans to run for Ensign's seat in the November election. Rep. Shelley Berkley, a Democrat, has also expressed interest in running for that seat. In the GOP primary, Heller could face Sharron Angle, the theocratic Tea Party candidate who, in 2010, ran against Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid.

    As for Ensign, his resignation will effectively shut down the Senate committee's investigation -- but perhaps not before the matter is referred to another jurisdiction. Around Washington, there's a sense of another shoe yet to drop.

    By Adele M. Stan | Sourced from AlterNet

    http://act.alternet.org/go/6648?akid...018.s24Nk3&t=2

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    I've posted about this jerk before - now he will resign. But earlier, he said he would not! Thar's what conservatives do. They dirty everything and dare you to do anything about it.

    An affair with his staffer's wife; around 96k given to husband by Ensign's PARENTS to mollify him; and membership in a fanatical religious cult.

    Conservative PUKE. Good riddance! Now for the thousands more... so much more to do.

  9. #89
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    TN Senate OKs Bill That Would Make it Illegal to Mention the Existence of Gay People to Students

    The Tennessee Senate Judiciary Committee has approved one lawmaker's revolutionary plan to fight the "homosexual agenda": don't tell students gay people exist until they get to high school. (!!!)

    The Knoxville News Sentinel reports:

    The measure (SB49) is sponsored by Sen. Stacey Campfield, R-Knoxville, who unsuccessfully pushed the same idea - nicknamed the "don't say gay" bill - for six years as a member of the state House before he was elected to the Senate.

    As introduced, the bill would have put into law a declaration that it is illegal to discuss any sexual behavior other than heterosexuality prior to the ninth grade.

    Absurd? Of course. The logic appears to be: if young students aren't allowed to hear about homosexuality in school, then they won't hear about it anywhere, and then there will be no more gay people. And that's... a good thing. Apparently.

    But the bill is actually worse than absurd -- it's potentially very dangerous, as it would hamper efforts to prevent anti-gay bullying among students. (If you can't say the world "gay," how can you teach young people that bullying gay classmates is wrong? And how can you offer a lifeline to students who may be suffering at the hands of such bullying?)

    What's even more sad is that opposition to the bill in the state Senate focused not on the legislation being damaging, hateful, and downright stupid, but rather on the fact that the bill might be redundant:

    [W]hen [the bill] came before the Senate Education Committee, Sen. Jim Tracy, R-Shelbyville, contended current law already prohibits such instruction by deeming it a misdemeanor to teach any sex education that is not part of the "family life curriculum" adopted by the state Board of Education.

    Tracy proposed an amendment to rewrite Campfield's bill to require the Board of Education to study the issue and determine whether any teaching about homosexuality is occurring and, if so, recommend what should be done about it.

    Campfield contends homosexuality is being discussed in classrooms.

    Oh, it is being discussed.

    Tennessee, I love you, but seriously. Your lawmakers need to get a grip.

    By Lauren Kelley | Sourced from AlterNet

    http://act.alternet.org/go/6649?akid...018.s24Nk3&t=3

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    Ever hear a 'liberal', those disgusting things, say anything like this? Nope, me either. Only stupid conservatives.
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    I'm sure you heard Brewer vetoed two bills - very un-re-puke-lican, don't you think?

    Listening to Gary Moore right now.

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