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  1. Havakasha is offline
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    06-18-2010, 04:31 PM #11
    I'll take Krugman you can take Greenspan. Yes that Greenspan, the guy who missed every bubble known to man, and who supported the Bush tax cuts for the rich which brought us record deficits. I mean you do not like deficits right? LOL.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_616996.html

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    06-18-2010, 04:50 PM #12
    I know you will scoff at the following comments, but at least have the intellectual honesty to acknowledge that there are different economic philosophies and that you just might not know everything about economics.

    "I am committed to the restoration of fiscal sustainability." Obama said, "but it is critical that the timing and pace of consolidation in each economy suit the needs of the global economy, the momentum of private sector demand, and national circumstances." The united States is setting budget goals for 2013, for example , but in the interim "will pursue measures to support the recovery in private demand and return the unemployed to work," he wrote.

    This is not a time to take our foot off the accelerator here," said Vice President Biden, speaking to reporters at the White House."We still need to coniinue to create jobs and spur job growth.":
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    06-18-2010, 05:16 PM #13
    Quote Originally Posted by Havakasha View Post
    I know you will scoff at the following comments, but at least have the intellectual honesty to acknowledge that there are different economic philosophies and that you just might not know everything about economics.

    "I am committed to the restoration of fiscal sustainability." Obama said, "but it is critical that the timing and pace of consolidation in each economy suit the needs of the global economy, the momentum of private sector demand, and national circumstances." The united States is setting budget goals for 201, for example , but in the interim "will pursue measures to support the recovery in private demand and return the unemployed to work," he wrote.

    This is not a time to take our foot off the accelerator here," said Vice President Biden, speaking to reporters at the White House."We still need to coniinue to create jobs and spur job growth.":
    And Kucinich (sp) said the same thing - towing the line is what I think its called. Wasn't the Kucinich the one Democratic health care holdout who suddenly changed his mind after Obama bought him off (oops, did I say that - silly me............)

    Hey, this just in, $10,000,000 of stimulus money for Beverly Hills, CA to fill potholes LOL. Kucinich just defended it. Oh that's productive.

    I will tell you what will be very interesting. As you know by now, Obama is telling the EU that they ought to keep stimulating as they are "easing off the gas petal". I wonder if they will agree or disagree. I think Germany with their new conservative leadership will disagree. Can't wait to see this play out.

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    06-18-2010, 05:25 PM #14
    Quote Originally Posted by Havakasha View Post
    I'll take Krugman you can take Greenspan. Yes that Greenspan, the guy who missed every bubble known to man, and who supported the Bush tax cuts for the rich which brought us record deficits. I mean you do not like deficits right? LOL.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_616996.html
    tax cuts for the rich is one of your talking points. The rich pay 35% income tax, the most of anyone.

    Greenspan learned on real time. Oscar is still talking theory and writing about other peoples mistakes. Kind of like you, sitting around in wait, looking to work your socialist (lol) talking points (tax the rich, corporate greed.....) when the opportunity presents. It's easy, but adds nothing to the solution.

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    06-18-2010, 05:25 PM #15
    So i guess you took Greenspan right? lol.

    So compromise is a dirty word in your vocabulary? Thank god you arent running the govt because nothing would ever get done. Oh thats right i forgot you dont believe in govt. Goddamn i finally figured it out. You are secretly an anarchist!
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    06-18-2010, 05:33 PM #16
    Quote Originally Posted by SiriuslyLong View Post
    tax cuts for the rich is one of your talking points. The rich pay 35% income tax, the most of anyone.

    Greenspan learned on real time. Oscar is still talking theory and writing about other peoples mistakes. Kind of like you, sitting around in wait, looking to work your socialist (lol) talking points (tax the rich, corporate greed.....) when the opportunity presents. It's easy, but adds nothing to the solution.
    WE should pay more than anyone else. You make more you pay more. A novel concept.
    Im not sure it qualifies as a talking point (tax cuts for the wealthy). It actually happened under Bush.
    Greenspan supported it. He learned in REAL TIME alright to mess up BIG TIME.
    The rich payed more under Reagan then they do now. Is he a Socialist? How about we go back to Reagan's numbers? Oh you dont like Reagan all of a sudden? lol. Warren Buffett and Bill Gates and others like them KNOW they are underpaying.
    You always seem to leave out the fact that the rich hire expensive accountants to help them save money in all kinds of ways.

    Dont tell me your turning to John's for dumbass lines? Im a Democrat not a Socialist. But thanks for letting me know you have no idea what the difference is.
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    06-18-2010, 05:34 PM #17
    Quote Originally Posted by Havakasha View Post
    So i guess you took Greenspan right? lol.

    So compromise is a dirty word in your vocabulary? Thank god you arent running the govt because nothing would ever get done. Oh thats right i forgot you dont believe in govt. Goddamn i finally figured it out. You are secretely an anarchist!
    Compomise isn't a dirty word at all. The sad fact is that there is little meaningful compromise in politics, and by extension, government.

    And for what it's worth, anarchy is what I fear most. I'm telling you, Obama is polarizing the $hit out of America. People like me still believe in the government designed by the founders. They intentionally set up in a way to limit government. We'll see.

    It's the weekend. I just cracked open my first brew.

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    06-18-2010, 05:38 PM #18
    Quote Originally Posted by Havakasha View Post
    Im not sure it qualifies as a talking point (tax cuts for the wealthy). It actually happened under Bush.
    Greenspan supported it. He learned in real time to mess up BIG TIME.
    The rich payed more under Reagan then they do now. Is he a Socialist? How about we go back to Reagan's numbers? Oh you dont like Reagan all of a sudden? lol. Warren Buffett and Bill Gates and others like them KNOW they are underpaying.
    You always seem to leave out the fact that the rich hire expensive accountants to help them save money in all kinds of ways.

    Dont tell me your turning to John's for dumbass lines? Im a Democrat not a Socialist. But thanks for letting me you know you have no idea what the difference is.
    (lol) socialist was demarked to differentiate myself. C'mon dude.

    You can go backward all you want. Reagan is dead. All I have is my kids future, and if I'm reading you correctly, you are advising me that they should go into accounting - specifically tax accounting. Shouldn't be a problem; they're both pretty bright, but I was hoping for design engineering. That way they can make things people need and want. You know, produce.

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    06-18-2010, 05:43 PM #19
    Ok so im not a socialist. Whew. For a minute there....

    Yes your kids should go into work that makes them happy. Design engineering? Sounds fascinating. i always advise people to follow their dreams and dont fixate on money and taxes. I know plenty of rich people that are awfully unhappy.
    Did you ever hear the expression, "money cant buy happiness".

    I dont thinking going to Reagan's tax rate is going backwards. Just think of it as going toward fairness as Warren Buffett and Biill Gates do (did i mention those 2 guys before?) LOL.
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