John forgot to mention that the Bush administration stacked the regulatory system with personnel who were predisposed to the oil industry. Remember the secret meetings that Cheney of Halliburton (the same company that may be responsible for causing this spill) had with the oil big wigs? Oh you conveniently forgot huh? I quess you were hiding in your cave listening to Fox when all that was going on huh? lol.
Originally Posted by candleman
John, I DO ride a bike to work already. When I drive, I drive a car that gets 38 to 40 mpg. If I can do it, you can to. And if we all do it, we'd have a better world and a cleaner environment. That's what being a Conservative is. A Conservative is someone who isn't wasteful and doesn't believe in spending money when it's not necessary.
By the way, I've spent a fair amount of time in caves. They really aren't that bad!
And I have to add once again that you were the one who started this thread and suggested the possible banning of airplanes, not me!
You are just too easy John.
Thats great if it works out for you, now just think what the world would look like if we all did that. Oil has been one of the biggest reasons for where we are today in tech. Great that you ride your bike NOW stop using everything that is made from oil. Good luck And I hope you like caves because when you find out just how many things we make from oil then you will need to live in one.
Just a logical question you might want to ask the next time. Why dont you ask the president to do the samething and see how much he gets done.
Really I am to easy???? You need to take another look at the first post. It suggest the stupidity of stopping off shore drilling because of one accident. So as for being to easy that would be you because once again you prove how stupid you are to suggest such a thing. Yes that is what you are saying right, because plane crashes happen way more then oil spills and have effected more people by a larger factor then this spill does. So you are suggesting we all should not fly anymore.
Please before you make such a ridiculous statement you need to go back and read the first posts.
P.S. Here is a list of the things you will have to do without:
Clothing Ink
Heart Valves
Crayons
Parachutes
Telephones
Enamel
Transparent tape
Antiseptics
Vacuum bottles
Deodorant
Pantyhose
Rubbing Alcohol
Carpets
Epoxy paint
Oil filters
Upholstery
Hearing Aids
Car sound insulation
Cassettes
Motorcycle helmets
Pillows
Shower doors
Shoes
Refrigerator linings
Electrical tape
Safety glass
Awnings
Salad bowl
Rubber cement
Nylon rope
Ice buckets
Fertilizers
Hair coloring
Toilet seats
Denture adhesive
Loudspeakers
Movie film
Fishing boots
Candles
Water pipes
Car enamel
Shower curtains
Credit cards
Aspirin
Golf balls
Detergents
Sunglasses
Glue
Fishing rods
Linoleum
Plastic wood
Soft contact lenses
Trash bags
Hand lotion
Shampoo
Shaving cream
Footballs
Paint brushes
Balloons
Fan belts
Umbrellas
Paint Rollers
Luggage
Antifreeze
Model cars
Floor wax
Sports car bodies
Tires
Dishwashing liquids
Unbreakable dishes
Toothbrushes
Toothpaste
Combs
Tents
Hair curlers
Lipstick
Ice cube trays
Electric blankets
Tennis rackets
Drinking cups
House paint
Rollerskates wheels
Guitar strings
Ammonia
Eyeglasses
Ice chests
Life jackets
TV cabinets
Car battery cases
Insect repellent
Refrigerants
Typewriter ribbons
Cold cream
Glycerin
Plywood adhesive
Cameras
Anesthetics
Artificial turf
Artificial Limbs
Bandages
Dentures
Mops
Beach Umbrellas
Ballpoint pens
Boats
Nail polish
Golf bags
Caulking
Tape recorders
Curtains
Vitamin capsules
Dashboards
Putty
Percolators
Skis
Insecticides
Fishing lures
Perfumes
Shoe polish
Petroleum jelly
Faucet washers
Food preservatives
Antihistamines
Cortisone
Dyes
LP records
Solvents
Roofing
Its just a basic fact that we cant drill our way out of the energy dilemna we are in.Certainly we need domestic oil production but we are running out of the more easily extractable oil and have had to go to more expensive and dangerous exploration. A smart person understands we have to diversify our energy sources over the next 20 years or more. No other way to go. Just like a balanced portfolio in the stock market. Common sense.
God you're easy. LOL.
P.S. Sorry you are not up on some of the new technologies in use today to replace some of the old oil based products. Just off the top of my head i can think of quite of few of the products you have on your list which are being made with new materials. For a guy who claims he keeps up with the latest info you most certainly have been sitting in a cave and listening to Fox news too much. Get out in the world a little and see whats going on out there. Its an exciting time in the world and hybrids and electric cars are even being made by American companies. LMFAO.
Last edited by Havakasha; 05-27-2010 at 02:55 PM.
Oh snap!
Candleman, next time go a little easier on him please.
If he went any easier I would think he was a 8 year old like yourself.
Once again you are right Havakasha. That was very scary when the two oil men were in the White House and having secret meetings about oil. And it wasn't long after those meetings that the price of crude started climbing. Before it was over, oil had gotten to nearly 150 bucks a barrel. And gas was over 4 bucks a gallon. Those were the good old days when the oil companies owned the Presidency.....LMAO
Hey, Obama made big mistakes too. It was his guys who let the ball drop. He has taken the blame and has stopped any new drilling off shore until things get fixed up a bit.
Wouldn't it have been nice if Bush and Cheney had the ability to admit mistakes. If they had, I don't think Obama would be President right now. America must have wanted a change from the days when our country was run by two big oil boys.
Lol. So very funny.
S&L "john you're a nut.... so people dont think your an 8 year whose only purpose is to attack Lloyd." (i paraphrase).
You got to stop stealing S&L's lines. Las time you plagerized Reimor's. Tsk. Tsk. Please try being a little original next time.. You could have use 9 year old for example. lol.
Last edited by Havakasha; 05-27-2010 at 03:12 PM.
Such a silly boy you are John. I didn't say we have to do without oil. I said we need to conserve our oil by not using so much of it for transportation, drinking water bottles, and heating and cooling our homes and businesses. Being conservative could go a long ways towards not having to drill for oil in the water. It would also help us to not be so dependant on oil from overseas.
You really need to stop putting words in other people's mouths.
I never understood why Conservatives who stress personal responsibility are ALWAYS the last to accept it when it comes to themselves.
Its quite interesting. i quess they project their own failings on to all other people like South Americans for instance.
Last edited by Havakasha; 05-27-2010 at 03:09 PM.
Once again you nailed it Candleman. He continually puts words in peoples mouths and changes the arguments to something he is more comfortable with. He also exaggerates for instance by suggesting for example that the choices are between living in a cave and doing what he says. Very silly, juvenile arguments. Almost desperate and pathetic. Quite sad.
Its time to diversify our energy sources. Too bad Bush/Cheney didnt understand that. They really put our national security in danger. Even the CIA has acknowledged that.
Last edited by Havakasha; 05-27-2010 at 03:10 PM.
Here are some more so lets get real here:
"67% Support Offshore Drilling, 64% Expect it Will Lower Prices"
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...l_lower_prices
"With gas prices hovering at $4 a gallon, a majority of Floridians now support drilling for oil in protected areas offshore, according to a new poll.
The survey finds support for drilling at 60 percent, with 10 percent of respondents telling pollsters that they'd opposed offshore drilling in the past. Thirty-six percent of respondents said they remain opposed to offshore drilling."
Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2008/07/3...#ixzz0p9qt26R9
Yes those were ALLLLL people that live in FLORIDA
Here and that has not changed much considering the gulf spill:
"Despite gulf spill, plurality of Americans back offshore drilling"
"The survey found 49 percent of Americans supported expanded offshore drilling and 38 percent opposed, with 12 percent unsure.
While Americans still leaned more toward expanded drilling than against it, their support has decreased since earlier polls by the nonpartisan Pew Research Center using somewhat different methodology. Those surveys before the spill found 63 percent supporting expanded drilling in February and 68 percent supporting it in April 2009."
Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/05/1...#ixzz0p9rpSpyy
Haa yes and that is with gas prices at a low of 2.60 a gallon how much you want to bet it would be OVER 60 or even 70% if gas gets to 4 dollars a gallon, much less then the 10 dollars we are talking about if we were to do what you think we should do which is STOP ALL OFF SHORE DRILLING.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2008/07/3...-in-favor.html
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