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  1. SiriuslyLong is offline
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    05-01-2010, 09:18 AM #11
    Quote Originally Posted by Atypical View Post
    The Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klein.
    Was that supposed to be a link? Atypical, I don't read those marathon posts - too much. I just want to share that with you.

    Read State of Fear by, by, by damn, the guy passed last year, great author, read several of his books -- Michael Creigton, if I got it right.

    Remember one thing, greed it good.

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    05-01-2010, 10:04 AM #12
    Quote Originally Posted by Atypical View Post
    The Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klein.
    I read the "blurp". I don't know what to make of it as it's almost farcical yet fear mongering. Yes, after a "shock" things will change, and it's absurd to think that "greedy capitalist" are in the wait to bounce on an opportunity to make money due to a shock. And even if that is true, they do so by offer a good or service as a solution. I question if the good or service is worth it, but I'm quite certain that the CEO of these "greedy capitalists" isn't thinking, "oh this is good, we're going to screw those poor bastards and they won't even know it." You have no faith in anything. I'm starting to think you like to complain.

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    05-01-2010, 01:37 PM #13
    Those are all easy assertions to make; but foolishly dismissive, simplistic, and because you haven't read the book, ignorant of the facts. If you made a sincere effort to read how the world really works you would find that your preconceived notions melt away (assuming you read with an open mind). It is a far more complicated and devious arena than most know. Yes, if you have no reference for a comment someone makes, it can sound strange. It is only when you understand the reference yourself, or if you are curious, that you can judge the details with some accuracy. If you can’t then ridicule usually follows. Like yours.

    Perhaps, like most, you probably prefer to only read, listen, and care about those things you already consider true or important. Then you should never challenge yourself and never read anything that contradicts what you already believe*. You're done. Done with intellectual growth, done with curiosity and done with the stimulation of new information. And, in my estimation, your ability to think has been wasted if it ever existed.

    I don't need that "comfort" because I have learned enough to know that the things we don't know are far more numerous than what we think we know. And it can be fascinating to see that for one’s self.

    My purpose when I found this site after buying SIRI stock was to learn from those that probably knew more about the company and its financials than I did. That proved to be a good idea because there are many here and elsewhere that have taught me a lot about what I didn't know. It was eye-opening and I have benefited. Since I read almost everything that I come across (here and everywhere else) to see if I am interested further, I always review any negative comments as well. That taught me what to ignore and what to value. I still learn regularly from this site.

    Using your system, I could have assumed that I knew a lot and had no need of anything further because I probably knew enough. Nope - not what I ever do. I like getting new information including that which may show I am wrong. That's how I grow. And most importantly, I know what I don't know, and am not afraid to admit it. Ever.

    My goal in posting in the political forum was to provide essays that explain an interesting take on a subject, comments that may not be widely exposed. But since most have their own busy lives to lead and taking into consideration the above limits to human development I noted, (and being this is a financial site), I didn't expect to get applause for much, especially criticism of uncontrolled capitalism. I was right.

    So, you (and others) have proven my point. People just want to be left with their "facts" intact and can get pissed when someone challenges them. And they rarely have any objective reason for their disagreement. Just personal attacks and lot’s of bullshit that sounds great to them.

    I have been involved along the way with some activities that sought to provide information to the public that belief in any pseudoscience is inappropriate without objective scientific evidence. From that experience I became aware that any proof, however conclusive, will rarely sway a person’s imbedded support of the most ridiculous beliefs. Humans don’t really want to change their faith in something. It’s too uncomfortable mentally and apparently is also connected to self-worth.

    Your comment in a recent post; *“Atypical, I don't read those marathon posts - too much. I just want to share that with you.”

    Makes the point, doesn’t it.

    So, I will be happy to leave you and anyone else with your comforting beliefs. Obviously I could never provide you with anything meaningful that is better than your current ideologies.

    Security blanket comes to mind.

    PS. Michael Crichton was a prolific writer of many bestselling fiction books e.g., Andromeda Strain. He was an MD as well, I think, and lately a global warming denier. His presentations were debunked. An MD has no credibility in the field of climate science. As I and others have written in one of my “marathon posts”, the science is conclusive. But the timing and some of the details are in flux. So I would read his book if I didn’t know all of that. But I probably have read his thoughts given by others. There are lots of deniers and I read their stuff.

    See, it’s not so hard.

    P.P.S Hope this wasn't too long.
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    05-02-2010, 03:40 PM #14
    Yes and wasn't it some in the Obama administartion that actually said, "we cant let a good crisis go to waste."


    P.S. The point to SiriuslyLong comment about your cut and paste job is that; get the relevent points you want to make out of the article and then link to the article and let the people decide if they want to goto it or not and read it or not.


    Here is an example just incase you are that big of a twit and just dont get it. While I may like to read "War and Piece" or I think there are some good points to make in it, that does not mean I would cut and paste the whole book in a post. Do you get it now you jackass.
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    05-03-2010, 08:51 AM #15
    I have to agree with SL also, that the marathon posts are just too long to keep my attention.

    Many of us have jobs that keep us busy all day and only allow us a few moments every now and then to check out this or any site.

    I suppose that someday, I may be retired and have the time. But, right now, I think the more time I spend keeping my family happy, volunteering in my community, and running my business so that others have jobs, is time well spent. Time spent reading endless articles that basically attack my American way of life is not time well spent for our society.

    Facts are good. Short facts are the best. Opinions....well, we all have them!



    Quote Originally Posted by john View Post
    Yes and wasn't it some in the Obama administartion that actually said, "we cant let a good crisis go to waste."


    P.S. The point to SiriuslyLong comment about your cut and paste job is that; get the relevent points you want to make out of the article and then link to the article and let the people decide if they want to goto it or not and read it or not.


    Here is an example just incase you are that big of a twit and just dont get it. While I may like to read "War and Piece" or I think there are some good points to make in it, that does not mean I would cut and paste the whole book in a post. Do you get it now you jackass.

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    05-03-2010, 01:22 PM #16
    Quote Originally Posted by candleman View Post
    I have to agree with SL also, that the marathon posts are just too long to keep my attention.

    Many of us have jobs that keep us busy all day and only allow us a few moments every now and then to check out this or any site.

    I suppose that someday, I may be retired and have the time. But, right now, I think the more time I spend keeping my family happy, volunteering in my community, and running my business so that others have jobs, is time well spent. Time spent reading endless articles that basically attack my American way of life is not time well spent for our society.

    Facts are good. Short facts are the best. Opinions....well, we all have them!
    Thanks Candleman (and John). Atypical, I have a job, wife and two kids to take care of. It's really that simple. I took the time to read the blurb, and it seemed conspriratorial and cynical. It's just an observation, but if it looks like a bread box...........

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    05-08-2010, 03:44 PM #17

    Is this John guy really a Hitler lover?

    John, the guy who started this thread has to be either mentally unstable or he is truly unAmerican.

    Just read the trash that he has put up here. He implies that people from South America are stupid or lazy.

    This brings to mind Adolf Hitler. That was close to the way that he spoke of European Jews. Hitler felt about the Jews, the same way as John feels about Immagrants to America.

    Hitler felt that Jews came to Germany and Europe to take advantage of the locals. That's what John says about South American immagrants. He says they came here to take advantage of us.

    I think John is some sort of a white supremicist that doesn't want to share Our Country with folks of a different color or religion. John refers to them as dumbasses and twits.

    Think about it. John is a far right radical. He blames everything that is wrong in America on immagration or the Democrat Party. Hitler felt that everything that was wrong with Europe was the fault of Jewish people and folks that weren't white Christians.

    I think John is a disgrace to America. I think John is very Hitleresque in his thinking.

    Be very careful of this person. He has two identities on SiriusBuzz. Both start with John. He will try and influence you in the same way that Adolf Hitler tried to influence the folks of Germany.

    Hitler lost and so will John. But, just be very careful of this nutcase. I've reported this and other of his posts to the Department of Homeland Security. It's an important job for all good Freedom Loving Americans to keep an eye on people with this kind of ideology. We have to protect our country from people like this. If we don't the next thing you know, you'll be reading about this John character in the news. Perhaps he will be the next militia member that wants to destroy our country or casue havic. Just be very careful of this fool.

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    05-09-2010, 07:55 PM #18
    Certainly any guy who shouts Socialism, Communism, dumbass, twit at everything he disagrees with is a definite menace to our democratic values and ideals.

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    05-10-2010, 07:00 PM #19
    Quote Originally Posted by candleman View Post
    John, the guy who started this thread has to be either mentally unstable or he is truly unAmerican.

    Just read the trash that he has put up here. He implies that people from South America are stupid or lazy.

    This brings to mind Adolf Hitler. That was close to the way that he spoke of European Jews. Hitler felt about the Jews, the same way as John feels about Immagrants to America.

    Hitler felt that Jews came to Germany and Europe to take advantage of the locals. That's what John says about South American immagrants. He says they came here to take advantage of us.

    I think John is some sort of a white supremicist that doesn't want to share Our Country with folks of a different color or religion. John refers to them as dumbasses and twits.

    Think about it. John is a far right radical. He blames everything that is wrong in America on immagration or the Democrat Party. Hitler felt that everything that was wrong with Europe was the fault of Jewish people and folks that weren't white Christians.

    I think John is a disgrace to America. I think John is very Hitleresque in his thinking.

    Be very careful of this person. He has two identities on SiriusBuzz. Both start with John. He will try and influence you in the same way that Adolf Hitler tried to influence the folks of Germany.

    Hitler lost and so will John. But, just be very careful of this nutcase. I've reported this and other of his posts to the Department of Homeland Security. It's an important job for all good Freedom Loving Americans to keep an eye on people with this kind of ideology. We have to protect our country from people like this. If we don't the next thing you know, you'll be reading about this John character in the news. Perhaps he will be the next militia member that wants to destroy our country or casue havic. Just be very careful of this fool.

    Ha yes, I knew we would see Soul lewinskis "rules for radiclas" come out at sometime. Yes this is use by every lib out and yet Candleman says he is not a liberial. Hummm amazing though that he believes in all there beliefs and thinks exactly like they do. I am sure he also thinks all the Tea Party people are Nazies to.


    Hummm, there is just several things the dumbass doesn't seem to grasp about Hitler and the Nazis. First Hitler believed in his Party, you know the one called the National SOCAILIST party, Hey dumbass did you see the SOCAILIST part of that name. Second Hitler hated all jews reguardless, I said 70% of immagrants are stupid because we know 70% vote democrat. What else would you call someone that runs from his own country because the polocies made it a hell hole to be in and then when they get here they vote for the very same type of people that turn their own country into a hell hole. That leaves only two options they are ether stupid or lazy, Take your pick, but its got to be one or the other.

    Ever talk to an immagrant from any part of the old USSR or China????

    There is a reason most of them come here and vote republican.

    There is a reason they say dont you people see what you have and you are ruining it.

    There is yet another problem with this twits satement, I love how he says "FREEDOM loving Americans", yet he is in favor of the government controling every aspect of your life.

    Need proof just look at what he has said, He has no problem with them telling you your thermostate is set to high or to low, he has no problem with them telling you what type of car to buy.


    You know that complaint may actually go somewhere with this administration in control we know how much this administration hates discent. We know what the Obama appointed Homeland Security Secretary says about the main threat to our country is, "report issued by her department said troops returning from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were at risk for being recruited by right-wing extremists.". So yes with this administration that kind of report may go places.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...ing-extremism/

    Ho yes she had to apologized for letting what this administration really thinks, slip out.


    Hummm Tisk tisk dumbass, Who was it that promoted people telling on others that were against the views of their government, Ho yea, thats right, it was the Nazis and commumist. You must have missed that history lesson dumbass.

    Here is another history lesson for dumbass liberial/progressives like yourself. Liberials loved the Nazis until Germany invaded Russia.

    Also where do you think the Nazis got the idea of gas chambers. Yes from you progressives. You need to watch Beck as he plays the video of the love they had for Hitler and what he was doing in Germany and how we should follow their example. goto 4 min. 10 seconds (it shows the article of the New York Times and liberial columist prasing Hitler.).

    http://caosblog.com/archives/16950

    (goto the second part of the series 4 min. 5 sec.) inwhich The video is played which shows another one of the liberial and socailist heros, George Benard Shaw, Talking about what they should do to people they find not worth their weight!!!! What, did he really say we should just get rid of them (of course humanly) buy putting them in GAS CHAMBERS. Yes thats right, that was way before Hitler.


    Nice you dont find this kind of ironey. Who is your hero in the liberial circles????? Yes that is right Marx and what did Marx say about the Spanish??? That they were degenerates and that Mexicans are worse because they are degenerates off a degenerated race. Yes isn't that a nice way to think about people. You should be assamed of yourself candelman.



    And looky here who does Obama have as one of his advisors none other then Cas Sunsten, Hummm, didn't he write a book about forced sterilazion and how the government could put it into the drinking water.


    Once again you dont have to believe Beck, HES GOT THE VIDEO, and qoutes of the people saying it themselves.


    Yes I know you dumbass libs hate facts and qoutes and video of things that prove you to be the dumbassed twits you are but that is why I call you dumbass twits because only after watching the videos can you still belive in what you twits do.

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    05-11-2010, 08:33 AM #20
    Quote Originally Posted by Havakasha View Post
    Certainly any guy who shouts Socialism, Communism, dumbass, twit at everything he disagrees with is a definite menace to our democratic values and ideals.
    Not only a menace to our Democratic Values, but a true menace to our society overall. Hate speech is how it all begins. The terrorists that continually try to attack us from within our own borders have one thing in common. They ALL use internet forums like this to spread thier hatred for our values. Just like this John guy does.

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