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    So much for Obama having the most open administration.

    Now why would it take the Freedom of Information Act to get this in what was what Obama said would be the most open and transparent administration.

    I'll tell you why because Obama ether lies or was only talking about transparentcy on the things that made him look good. There is no other excuse for not being transparent on any information this daming to Cap and Trade.

    Well folks after reading that does it sound like Obama was just flem flaming you on, no person making under 250,000 dollars will see one dollar of tax increases. Really is it just simantics or is a 880 to 1760 average cost to each household seem like real money to you (cost of Cap and Trade will be 100 to 200 billion to America). Listen folks this was a study Obama asked for and got so where was the transparency.

    I said it before and I'll say it again if you did not know what you were getting or you still dont know what you were getting, "you people better wake up".

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    A Conversation With ...

    What are you doing?
    I’m doing research so I can tell these idiots the truth.

    What truth? What about?
    Those stupid healthcare posts in the Politics Forum “Body Count at Home“ thread. Wendell Potter probably worked in the mailroom of Cigna; he was no executive. The social worker – bullshit – totally made up. Canadian female doctor with the medical group REALLY meant Canadian healthcare is WRECKED AND WORTHLESS even if she didn’t say it. Couldn’t say what she wanted to I bet. Professor Gitlin made up those numbers. Wall Street Journal writer – they should fire her ass for lying.

    Wendell Potter said Michael Moore’s film “Sicko” was completely accurate.
    Moore is a fat, ugly asshole who is wrecking the country. Everything he’s ever said is a lie. He’s a communist. We should never let socialism RUIN the country. That’s what he wants.

    How do you know all this?
    I have my sources. The NETWORK, think tanks, they are all I need. They tell the truth. They are the ONLY ones that tell the truth. They tell me what to believe and then I know it’s true. I believe everything they say. My gut also tells me what’s right. That’s it. Stupid people get bad information and think it’s right. I don’t do that. They’re so gullible.

    Is this network ever wrong? Do you ever read anything contrary to your beliefs?
    Never. When you know you’re right why would you waste your time. If only everybody would just agree with conservatives. We are losing the country to socialists, liberals, communists and foreigners. All of the media is controlled so why would I want to read anything that is contrary to what WE believe? That’s what LIBERALS do. I would never waste my time.

    What about the VA articles in the thread? Bush was president and appointed the people that screwed the vets.
    Bullshit. Bush was a great president. Those problems were left over from Clinton and probably Carter too. Bush had the best people. Just listen to the NETWORK and listen to what the conservative “think tanks” say. It’s so simple. We should only have conservative sources for information. All the others are communist, liberal, socialist BULLSHIT. Everyone knows that only conservatives, REAL conservatives, not those that “see the other side”, are telling the truth. People are finally being stirred-up to take back the country. They’re carrying guns, signs and threatening the leaders. It’s great! We have to tear down the country to make it the way we want it. We’re doing some real damage.

    Is this what you want?
    Yes. Nothing else will work. I like being on the “inside”. I’m one of the few who knows what’s really going on. Now I can get the jerks straightened out. It’s the BEST way.

    How does it make you feel?
    I feel so POWERFUL AND EMOTIONALLY SECURE! I didn’t feel like this before I learned the truth! Nothing will stop us. I will never let anything change my mind. I’m going to get even more conservative “ammunition”, become even tougher so I can ridicule and destroy the ones who disagree with me. That’s the only way to deal with “liberals”. That’s what being patriotic really is.

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    Glenn Beck's "Guru".

    The crazies are coming, the crazies are coming. Oh wait; they're here!

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    Fox Runs Wild With "NOT Scientific" IBD Poll

    From Media Matters

    Several Fox News media figures highlighted a recent Investor's Business Daily/TIPP poll which found that "[t]wo of every three practicing physicians oppose the medical overhaul plan under consideration in Washington, and hundreds of thousands would think about shutting down their practices or retiring early if it were adopted." However, according to statistician Nate Silver, the poll is "simply not credible," and Fox News itself acknowledged that the poll is "not scientific."
    Silver, Fox News undermine IBD/TIPP poll's credibility
    Nate Silver: Poll is "simply not credible." In a September 16 post to his blog, Silver listed five reasons why the IBD poll should be "completely ignore[d]":
    1. The survey was conducted by mail, which is unusual. The only other mail-based poll that I'm aware of is that conducted by the Columbus Dispatch, which was associated with an average error of about 7 percentage points -- the highest of any pollster that we tested.
    2. At least one of the questions is blatantly biased: "Do you believe the government can cover 47 million more people and it will cost less money and th quality of care will be better?". Holy run-on-sentence, Batman? A pollster who asks a question like this one is not intending to be objective.
    3. As we learned during the Presidntial campaign -- when, among other things, they had John McCain winning the youth vote 74-22 -- the IBD/TIPP polling operation has literally no idea what they're doing. I mean, literally none. For example, I don't trust IBD/TIPP to have competently selected anything resembling a random panel, which is harder to do than you'd think.
    4. They say, somewhat ambiguously: "Responses are still coming in." This is also highly unorthodox. Professional pollsters generally do not report results before the survey period is compete.
    5. There is virtually no disclosure about methodology. For example, IBD doesn't bother to define the term "practicing physician", which could mean almost anything. Nor do they explain how their randomization procedure worked, provide the entire question battery, or anything like that.
    Silver added: "There are pollsters out there that have an agenda but are highly competent, and there are pollsters that are nonpartisan but not particularly skilled. Rarely, however, do you find the whole package: that special pollster which is both biased and inept. IBD/TIPP is one of the few exceptions."
    Your World aired an on-screen graphic calling the poll "not scientific." During Neil Cavuto's discussion of the IBD/TIPP poll on the September 16 edition of Fox News' Your World, the on-screen graphic indicated that the poll was "not scientific": (screen-shot snip)
    Fox News ran with IBD/TIPP poll anyway
    Neil Cavuto: "Anyway, if Congress votes it in, doctors will bail out. A brand-new poll showing 45 percent of America's doctors will consider hanging up their stethoscopes for good if the government overhauls health care. Dr. Juliette Madrigal is one of them. Doctor, pretty strong warning. What are you saying?" [Your World with Neil Cavuto, 9/16/09]
    Bret Baier: "If health care reform legislation passes, you could have a hard time finding a doctor, at least according to one poll. A new survey for Investor's Business Daily indicates 45 percent of physicians questioned would consider shutting down their practices or retiring early if Congress approves the type of overhaul that the Democratic majority and the administration have in mind. It also reveals that 65 percent of doctors do not support the plan. That contradicts not only the White House but the American Medical Association. Also, 71 percent of doctors surveyed say they do not believe the government can cover 47 million more people at a lower cost while providing better health care." [Special Report, 9/16/09]
    Dick Morris: "In the Investor's Business Daily poll that just came out, by 2-to-1 doctors oppose his plan, and 45 percent of the doctors said they would personally consider retiring or ending their practice if it passes, which will make the shortage even worse." [The O'Reilly Factor, 9/16/09]
    Bill O'Reilly: "' Unresolved Problem' segment tonight: Trying to get new health care bill passed in America is obviously a major problem, and we have some new poll numbers to show you. A new Rasmussen poll, as we mentioned with Dick Morris, says opposition to Obama care has now reached an all time high. 55 percent against, 42 percent supporting the plan. Investor's Business Daily has a poll which shows 65 percent oppose Obamacare. Just 33 percent support it. And 45 percent of doctors say they will consider leaving their practice or retiring early if Obamacare passes." [The O'Reilly Factor, 9/16/09]
    Sean Hannity: "The Obama administration cites doctor shortages as one reason health care in the U.S. is so expensive. But if the administration's bill passes, it looks like that problem is only going to get worse. A new poll shows that a whopping 65 percent of doctors oppose the bill and 45 percent would consider quitting their practice entirely or retiring early if it's passed. Well, then we'll really know what a doctor shortage really looks like." [Hannity, 9/16/09]
    Steve Doocy: "Plus, over 70 percent of doctors don't believe the president's plan can't cover all the uninsured Americans out there. And wait until you hear how many will leave their practice if it goes through." [Fox & Friends, 9/17/09]

    The "Network" is sooo credible. HAH, HAH, OH, OH, HEH, HEH, HILARIOUS.

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    Really Adumbical "from Media Matters". You just got through saying the ACORN videos where FAKED and you put up Media Matters as a reference. They are the the liberial experts at cut and paste and chopping audio. They have been doing it to Rush for years. The difference is Rush plays what they say he said and then plays the full piece.

    By the way it has been released that there where no voice overs on the ACORN videos, and any cuts that where made to the videos where made because there was upto 45 minute meetings and noone puts up 45 minutes in a exposie. Editing is done so that the most interesting parts are in, while getting rid of much of the boring parts. That the parts that where left in are in sections that are more then long enough to get what was going on, you hear the questions and you hear the answers all in one segiment. It is a common practice every media outlet uses and that the full video can be seen to prove that nothing was taken out of context.

    Those 2 people knew just who they where dealing with, that is why they releast each different office over several days. They beat ACORN with the truth. When ACORN came out with they tried this in several offices and this was the only office that was found to do this they realease another. When they say the videos where faked they release another video. When Acorn tries to say FOX funded this They release the idomized recipts showing the whole thing was done for under 2,000 dollars.

    Once again I love it because it allows me to show what a brainwashed twit you are. You where dumber then ACORN because you fell into the diatribe of ACORN, reguardless of how stupid it sounded. Hey dumbass 83 to 7 senators voted to cut off funding for ACORN, even 40 democrats realize the video was not cut to a point where it could have ever been taken out of context of the questions asked and then where directly answered IN ONE CUT. You believed ACORN even after they say the video was faked but they fired 4 people because of the videos. Hey dumbass you cant have it both ways. I would have liked to see how that went;

    ACORN: Your fired.

    Employee: But why, you even said the videos where faked.

    ACORN: Hummmmm, Dhaaa, mmmmmm, Dhaaaaa, mmmm, Dhaaaaaa, MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM, just clear out you desk and get out.

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    Havakasha, says this:

    "Notice the difference between John's poll heading and this one.
    He says Doctors opposed to GOVERNMENT Health Care.
    My poll says Doctors in favor of PUBLIC OPTION. Now we all know
    what is being talked about in Congress is a MIX of public and private not
    wholesale Public. The fact that John needs to call it government health care tells you everything you need to know about the right wing. They HAVE to be intellectually dishonest. Its in their DNA. They are simply too afraid to argue
    the ACTUAL bill. Sad."

    Havakasha talks about intellectual honesty yet they bury threads such as this because they cant have the truth out there can they. Look at the number of threads they just started. Now really do you 2 twits think I could not find several subjects to put up.

    Now this report on Cap and Trade was done for Obama in March, yet there is video of him in June saying that Cap and Trade will only cost us the price of a stamp. Is that they kind of "intellectually dishonesty" you are talking about Havakasha.

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